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[Selenora]

Chignon wrote...

I don't mean to spoil the fun but this neither the Anders discussion thread nor the DA2 LI discussion thread.

How about we get back to Kaidan? Remember him?

Oh.....WE do remember him...not sure if OTHERS do that tho.....

[jeweledleah]

I'm afraid. very afraid. that bioware doesn't remember him either. that he's to become even more of a Kashley. that DA2 is a template for ME3 character development (which is the major reason I originally brought it up) I'm starting to believe that Kaidan as his own, distinct character died in ME1 along with Shepard, and Kaidan the interchangeable lobotomized puppet will make an appearance in ME3. I liked Kaidan as a character, not merely as a pretty digital male mesh. I'm at the point where I have no hope left, sorry.

[SilentK]

Hmmm..... let's skip the DA2 talk =) or at least mentioning specific names. I got a wrist slap for spoilers earlier in this tread. I just didn't think before I posted. DA2 hasn't come out yet in Europe and there might be people here who try to avoid the DA forums until they get the game.

Back to Kaidan. Hmmm.... I don't think that they will make Ash and Kaidan the same in such a way. This will be the last conclusion so I think that they will put in the effort to make it special. God I hope so. If I will have as much fun in ME3 as I have had in ME and ME2 I am really looking forward to putting one shep through all the games in a row without any other game in between. I really liked taking one shep straight from ME to ME2, it was enough time away from each game so I don't remember every single thing in it and it was easier to get a feel for how this shep would react in a special situation. Never had to do it before but now I have started to write down short notes on the shep so that I'll remember how she reasoned for the big decisions. Hopefully this will let me remember their personalities for ME3 =)

ohh.... any spelling mistakes are here by blamed on it being midnight. Cheers all.

[FireEye]

Ignoring the circumstances where an individual will fall for one specific person regardless of set gender, nothing in Kaidan's character precludes bisexuality.

The only reason we're given that there are no gay romances according to BioWare is because "Shepard is straight."  Not Kaidan, not Jacob, not Garrus, not Thane: Shepard.  If a male Shepard is able to hit on Kaidan in ME3 and Kaidan says, "I'm sorry Commander, I'm only interested in women," then you might have a case.

Seriously, guys - for all you know, Kaidan's "It's been a long time since I met a woman who..." could have ended in "...I felt genuinely attracted to.  Normally I fall for men."  Stop antagonizing the gay and m/m interested fen now, k?




Hum.  I was going to write some Kaidan/FemShep today, but have since changed my mind.  Kaidan/Hendel all the way, baby! 

[Chignon]

Great post, Fire!

FireEye wrote...
 Kaidan/Hendel all the way, baby! 

You know already what I think of this!

[sesheta255]

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, I was expressing my opinion, but I forgot only certain people on this thread are allowed to have an opinion.  If you have a differing opinion you aren't allowed to express it, or you get labelled a homophobe.  I get that there are people out there who want bi/gay romance options with Kaidan and if he had been bi in ME1 it wouldn't have worried me, but it would be OOC for him to become bi suddenly in ME3, for me anyway.
It seems to me that making the point that you have changed your mind about writing femShep/Kaidan today is more antagonistic than anything I wrote and certainly childish and petty.
But on to slightly less controversial topics


@jeweledleah - I feel the same way, and don't have a lot of faith in bioware at this point to give us a satisfying Kaidan role and outcome in ME3.


thank goodness for Jho's pictures, and all the other Kaidan artists out there

[FireEye]

sesheta255 wrote...

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, I was expressing my opinion, but I forgot only certain people on this thread are allowed to have an opinion.  If you have a differing opinion you aren't allowed to express it, or you get labelled a homophobe.

Oh, you're certainly allowed to have an opinion.  And I'm allowed to have a contrary opinion.  And we're allowed to opine back and forth until one of us gets sick of it and drops out.  And yes, it is my opinion that you come across as downright insulting at the best of times and homophobic at the worst.

Isn't freedom of speech wonderful? 

Anyway, on the topic of Kaidan, if he does like the men, what type do you think he'd be drawn to? 

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

Anyway, on the topic of Kaidan, if he does like the men, what type do you think he'd be drawn to? 

Does this answer your question somewhat?

[jeweledleah]

don't worry Fire, the way things are going - Kaidan will be bi, along with the rest of the romancable crew and they will figure out some retcon way to explain why is it that maleshep and him didn't seem to be attracted to each other in a first game, even though he falls for femshep practically the moment he sees her. his personality will also shift from playthrough to playthrough because there isn't just one distinct Kaidan or Ashley or Garrus or Tali, there are many such meshes by that name with dial up personalities based on what each player wants to see. I don't even want to contemplate what they will do to the story anymore, with "ME3 will be a good point to enter the trilogy" statement.

and us "homophobes" will just have to accept how wrong we were at hoping for any sort of continuity for our Shepards, any sort of cohesive story.

good bye Kaidan, I didn't know you long but you were a good kid.

[fortunesque]

I like how everyone can express an opinion here, especially about other posters, and get along so nicely. It's one of the reasons I've been continually returning to the thread to post each and every day, sometimes multiple times each day.

[Chignon]

jeweledleah wrote...

good bye Kaidan, I didn't know you long but you were a good kid.

Isn't this a tad overdramatic?

If it'd be implemented in a meaningful, well-written way and not as heavy-handed as the example in DA2 you've brought up earlier, I, personally, wouldn't have a problem with Kaidan as a romance option for MSheps in ME3 and neither would I see it as a "retcon" of his character.

But your mileage may vary, of course.

[lovesnow]

My female shepard wants him back ,please bring him back

[lovesnow]

hate what they did 
they should of,gave my female shepard a chance to patch things up with kadian ,my male shepart had a second chance with laira.

[M-Sinistrari]

Chignon wrote...
Isn't this a tad overdramatic?

Maybe because I've been around fandoms for more years than some in them have had life, I'd worry more if there weren't some opinions that are overdramatic almost to where the only thing missing is a full crinoline flounce.

Whatever Bioware ends up doing, someone's going to be livid over it somewhere.  If I end up liking it, fine I'll keep buying and enjoying thier product.  If I don't, then I simply won't buy what they offer in the particular franchise.  Case in point, I didn't like what they did with storylines in DA:O so I've not bought any of the DLC for the game and am not buying DA2.

Perhaps it's just me but I'm not seeing what the big deal is over a vague possibility of Kaidan being posed as bi.  Bi oriented people do go through moments of prefering one gender over another.  I have my opinions on Kaidan's orientation and that's not going to change according to whatever they do with the game.  It's not like they're going to send the Bioware policia out to everyone's house to insist that X way is the only way.

[catabuca]

Chignon wrote...

FireEye wrote...

Anyway, on the topic of Kaidan, if he does like the men, what type do you think he'd be drawn to? 

Does this answer your question somewhat?

Oh Chig, this is one of my favourite pieces ever <3

Gives me another opportunity to pimp out my hot NSFW picture of them :innocent:

[catabuca]

As FireEye said so eloquently above, everyone is entitled to their opinions. The thing we need to remember is we are all here for the same reason, we like Mass Effect and we like Kaidan. We have a common interest, and hopefully we can be respectful of each other even while we occasionally end up debating this issue.

A little perspective would be appreciated as well. It doesn't do anyone any favours to assume that if (and it is an enormous if, after all) the ME team were to allow mShep to start a romance with Kaidan (or fShep with Ashley) that they would butcher everything about his character in the meantime. The writers take a certain pride in their game and their characters. Just as in DA2, it would be possible to write such a thing with respect, in a subtle way, and convincingly. I very much doubt anyone would be wielding a hammer and be repeatedly hitting players over the head in game saying "Oh, you know this guy, we made him bi, did you know that? You don't want to know that? Oh, well we're going to keep reminding you as much as possible and make you feel as uncomfortable as we can." They especially wouldn't do that in a game franchise that has so many fans who are ... well, let's just say uncomfortable at the thought of being touched by teh gay.

And I also hope that we can refrain from throwing the word homophobe around indiscriminately. It's not constructive. That goes for both sides. There certainly have been comments on the issue of s/s romance in ME that have been homophobic (not talking about in this thread), and in those cases it's perfectly acceptable and right to call them out as such. But it's sometimes too easy to jump to that word to describe the beliefs of anyone who doesn't want to see particular characters in a particular role. Conversely, on the other side of the debate, it seems all too easy to say that those of us who do argue for s/s romance, or specifically on the subject of Kaidan, are calling you homophobes, when it simply isn't true.

One person may call you a homophobe, but that doesn't mean everyone did. Just as one person may be a homophobe, but that doesn't mean everyone is.

But anyway, *insert attempt at levity* hot damn, ain't Kaidan sexy?

[Jenova65]

I have this motto that I stumbled across and I think it can be *modified* and used to great advantage here...........
(switch out the word *opinion* and replace it with *enjoyment*)
''Unless their opinion affects your opinion, their opinion matters not at all''
I will only ever play femshep (that's just the way I roll, lol) so why would it bother me how someone else chooses to play as long as they don't come round my house and make me play their way?
Just saying.....
We all love Kaidan, right?

[catabuca]

Jenova65 wrote...

I have this motto that I stumbled across and I think it can be *modified* and used to great advantage here...........
(switch out the word *opinion* and replace it with *enjoyment*)
''Unless their opinion affects your opinion, their opinion matters not at all''
I will only ever play femshep (that's just the way I roll, lol) so why would it bother me how someone else chooses to play as long as they don't come round my house and make me play their way?
Just saying.....
We all love Kaidan, right?

Truer words have never been spoken. <3

[Jenova65]

catabuca wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I have this motto that I stumbled across and I think it can be *modified* and used to great advantage here...........
(switch out the word *opinion* and replace it with *enjoyment*)
''Unless their opinion affects your opinion, their opinion matters not at all''
I will only ever play femshep (that's just the way I roll, lol) so why would it bother me how someone else chooses to play as long as they don't come round my house and make me play their way?
Just saying.....
We all love Kaidan, right?

Truer words have never been spoken. <3

 Have a Kaidan....

[sapphyreelf]

catabuca wrote...

They especially wouldn't do that in a game franchise that has so many fans who are ... well, let's just say uncomfortable at the thought of being touched by teh gay.

See, I was going to say you had a very well thought out post until you said this. This is an incredibly rude and inflammatory sentence.

There are plenty of reasons for fans to not be interested in s/s options, and to insinuate that any of them are just "uncomfortable at the tought of being touched by teh gay"... I have no words for how incensed that makes me.

Seriously, that's just as insenstive and as rude as anything anyone else has said.

And, there have been plenty of people in this thread and the KAAS who have outright accused some of us of being homophobic with a very similar post.

[catabuca]

Sapphy - I'll quote myself again for you:

"And I also hope that we can refrain from throwing the word homophobe around indiscriminately. It's not constructive. That goes for both sides. There certainly have been comments on the issue of s/s romance in ME that have been homophobic (not talking about in this thread), and in those cases it's perfectly acceptable and right to call them out as such. But it's sometimes too easy to jump to that word to describe the beliefs of anyone who doesn't want to see particular characters in a particular role. Conversely, on the other side of the debate, it seems all too easy to say that those of us who do argue for s/s romance, or specifically on the subject of Kaidan, are calling you homophobes, when it simply isn't true.

One person may call you a homophobe, but that doesn't mean everyone did. Just as one person may be a homophobe, but that doesn't mean everyone is."

If you want to disregard that part of my post and assume I was stating you are homophobic - well there's little else I can say to show otherwise. I made it clear I was talking about the s/s issue at large, not particularly in this thread. I cannot comment on your reasons for not wanting to see s/s content for I have no idea. I can, however, comment about 'some' of the posters I have seen elsewhere who make it very clear in their inflammatory posts that they are, in fact, uncomfortable at the very thought of it. Again, if you wish to completely disregard the part of my post that I just quoted above, and assume I was throwing an accusation at you, well that's your choice. You're mistaken, but hey, run with it if it makes you feel better.

[sapphyreelf]

In an effort to not go off topic, I'll take this discussion to private.

Modifié par sapphyreelf, 10 mars 2011 - 12:03 .