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Wow what happened. Happy thoughts, we can do it    =)   

Well, for me life is super. My store finally got DA2 so I'm gonna get my copy today. Happy happy joy joy =) that and romancing Kaidan will make this weekend a solid gamefest. Better buy lots of food on the way home friday night. Hope you all will have a happy weekend full of games. Yes, I know we still have friday left but I'm just choosing to ignore that.

Edit: I haven't made any Kaidan pics, got no talent. Anyone with talent or pics at home feel free to post so we get something nice to look at    =)   

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Here's one of my favorites:

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sesheta255 wrote...

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, I was expressing my opinion, but I forgot only certain people on this thread are allowed to have an opinion.  If you have a differing opinion you aren't allowed to express it, or you get labelled a homophobe.  I get that there are people out there who want bi/gay romance options with Kaidan and if he had been bi in ME1 it wouldn't have worried me, but it would be OOC for him to become bi suddenly in ME3,

All three of them were intended to be bi romances in ME1, but the content was cut.  

So, not totally true.  Being Bi doesn't make something out of character. Kaidan would make an excellent romance for MShep

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Shavon wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, I was expressing my opinion, but I forgot only certain people on this thread are allowed to have an opinion.  If you have a differing opinion you aren't allowed to express it, or you get labelled a homophobe.  I get that there are people out there who want bi/gay romance options with Kaidan and if he had been bi in ME1 it wouldn't have worried me, but it would be OOC for him to become bi suddenly in ME3,

All three of them were intended to be bi romances in ME1, but the content was cut.  

So, not totally true.  Being Bi doesn't make something out of character. Kaidan would make an excellent romance for MShep


I appreciate this position, but as has been stated before, cut content does not = canon. I'm sure Liara fans would not like for Liara to suddenly become interested only in Male Shep, so I think it's reasonable for Kaidan fans not to want a similar sudden change in sexuality.

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Shavon wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

I'm not trying to antagonise anyone, I was expressing my opinion, but I forgot only certain people on this thread are allowed to have an opinion.  If you have a differing opinion you aren't allowed to express it, or you get labelled a homophobe.  I get that there are people out there who want bi/gay romance options with Kaidan and if he had been bi in ME1 it wouldn't have worried me, but it would be OOC for him to become bi suddenly in ME3,

All three of them were intended to be bi romances in ME1, but the content was cut.  

So, not totally true.  Being Bi doesn't make something out of character. Kaidan would make an excellent romance for MShep

You know, I find it interesting that you quoted me but left out the last 3 words of the paragraph I wrote which were "for me anyway".  Puts an entirely different spin on what I actually wrote.  If you're going to quote me, at least quote wat I actually said and don't cut words taht don't suit your soapbox.

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Rephrase to 'some' Kaidan fans, because not all agree with your position, Zuess.

Soapbox? I was just supporting an opinion that gets shot don here too quickly and brutally. No soapbox here. The Kaidan fans are more diverse than you guys realize. It's not a bad thing to want a game to include content that all kinds of fans can enjoy. DA 2, making all the Li's Bi is a wonderful step towards this. Sadly, this probably won't ever happen in ME3, so you can rest assured.

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Shavon wrote...

Rephrase to 'some' Kaidan fans, because not all agree with your position, Zuess.

That's why I refrained to say "the Kaidan fans".

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in order to make Kaidan (and Ashley - have we forgotten her?) suddenly bisexual, they are going to have to make some major character rewrites (especially for Ashley - who's a lot more outspoken then Kaidan). major character rewrites = not even the same character.

am I afraid to be touched by "teh gay"? nice offensive statement to make, but no, I'm not. I actually like Zevran's romance option. I find that the best romantic option, the one that appeals to me as far as the way its written in DA2 - is actually gay one. I have romance books with openly bisexual male characters on my bookshelf. As well as openly gay ones.
If Kaidan were bi from the start, in a main game, was fully written as such (I'm sorry, but the content they cut? it was couple of lines for shepard in romance scene where the only thing that they did was replace the names, so I have a feeling that bi-options were cut simply because they didn't have time or money or both to write them fully for the actual characters) - I would have no issues. because it would require no retcons and rewrites. I know people like to claim that there's nothing there that shows that he couldn't be, again I find that offensive because it smacks too much off "all they need as a good penis to change their mind"

considering what happened in DA2 and how they handled the rewrites there, and not just romance rewrites, I'm afraid that we're going to end up with short "why didn't you tell me before, because you never asked me before (that's especially bad when it comes to Ashley as its completely out of character for her)" exchange and the fact that they never acted interested otherwise is going to be shoved under the carpet.

and actually my opinion is the minority one here, especially the part where I want character to be consistent from game to game. no, I'm sorry, there is no my Kaidan, or your Kaidan. well, there wasn't anyways. it always makes me laugh when people accuse me of possessiveness - now why the hell would I be utterly fine and dandy with all these female Shepards swooning all over the character if I were possessive? the only thing that's yours, that's in my opinion should be yours and open to interpretation in game - is Shepard. Mass Effect3 worries me, and not just because of Kaidan. I'm afraid that its not going to be a sequel, I'm afraid that its going to be a stand alone game, retconed if necessary to make it so, with inconsistent characters.

Lair of Shadow broker proves it to me, because here's Liara talking to me after Noveria, how revenge is not something that she wishes to take, moving on and bla bla bla, and then here's liara in shadowbroker - doing a complete opposite..and that desire for revenge starts very shortly after events of the first game. sharp about turn much? and people really really love that DLC, so its not unreasonable to expect that poor "boring whiny" Kaidan and poor "angry racist" Ashley will be rewritten and changed the way Liara was.

Am I worried unnecessarily? maybe. maybe its far too early to tell. but it really seems that a lot of you are just happy with pretty malleable agreeable mesh. which shouldn't surprise me considering how many people went - omg, I hate VS because they disagreed with me. pretty mesh with great voice does not a character make.

I liked these characters as they were originaly written.  I'm very afraid that those character will only remain in a first game, and sexuality is the least of it.

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I don't see why it would even matter if he is bi in one player's game, gay in another's, or straight in another. Play the game how you want. Options are always good imo. Kaidan deserves love from all of us.

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I use to think that you would have the option to start a romance with Kaidan in ME3, but ever since the PS3 comic came out, I don't believe that anymore. The only reason that makes any sense to me for them to include choosing a romance (when you've never actually experienced the romance) as one of the important decisions, is to give those that wouldn't have the opportunity otherwise the chance. And even if they do allow you to start a romance in ME3, ME1 will never change and isn't that where we all fell in love with him? For this story, I think that ship has sailed, but of course only time will tell.

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Quaay wrote...

I don't see why it would even matter if he is bi in one player's game, gay in another's, or straight in another. Play the game how you want. Options are always good imo. Kaidan deserves love from all of us.


Lol totally agree, does it matter who he is in some other player game ?

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Quaay wrote...

I don't see why it would even matter if he is bi in one player's game, gay in another's, or straight in another. Play the game how you want. Options are always good imo. Kaidan deserves love from all of us.


That sums it up better than my ramble.  Sad thing is that we'll likely have this same kvetch fest again down the road.

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solvill wrote...

Quaay wrote...

I don't see why it would even matter if he is bi in one player's game, gay in another's, or straight in another. Play the game how you want. Options are always good imo. Kaidan deserves love from all of us.


Lol totally agree, does it matter who he is in some other player game ?



I'm finding out that consistancy doesn't matter to people anymore.  I cannot take a character as anything other then plot device and a henchman type robot, a stepford wife if you will, if that character is determined by a player like that.  what exactly deserves all of our love?  is it his pretty digitaly generated face?  the sexy voice that belongs to an actor?  what is it, since his personality, his preferences, his opinions are not even the same from game to game, let alone player to player?  what exactly is it that we are apreciating here?  artwork?  well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but his body mesh is the same as every other human male character in a game and his face mesh is lovely, but nothing special on its own, and his voice actor plays villians with equal sucess as he does good guys.

how people chose to develop their shepard, their warden, their hawke - its up to them.  they can role play them as pedofiles for all I care.  but changing the npc's and they would have to change not just interactions, but backstories as well... then there is no such thing as in character or out of character, because there IS NO character. its just glorified SIMS with third person shooter mechanics.

they already did it to Liara and people are happy, hell people are extatic and are claiming that LoSB was the best DLC evah!

Forgive me for not liking a very real prospect of even more characters I enjoyed so much, characters that were part of the reason I liked Mass Effect so much - getting lobotomized and stepfordized.

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But his being bi in another game doesn't change who he is in your game. Your Shepard will still be in a loving relationship with him. If he becomes a choice for maleShep in ME3 it doesn't affect you does it? You don't even have to hear about it if you just play your game and don't read spoilers. And I don't remember Kaidan ever saying he was straight in ME1. He loves my Shepard and that's all that matters to me.

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jeweledleah wrote...

I'm finding out that consistancy doesn't matter to people anymore.  I cannot take a character as anything other then plot device and a henchman type robot, a stepford wife if you will, if that character is determined by a player like that.  what exactly deserves all of our love?  is it his pretty digitaly generated face?  the sexy voice that belongs to an actor?  what is it, since his personality, his preferences, his opinions are not even the same from game to game, let alone player to player?  what exactly is it that we are apreciating here?  artwork?  well, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but his body mesh is the same as every other human male character in a game and his face mesh is lovely, but nothing special on its own, and his voice actor plays villians with equal sucess as he does good guys.

how people chose to develop their shepard, their warden, their hawke - its up to them.  they can role play them as pedofiles for all I care.  but changing the npc's and they would have to change not just interactions, but backstories as well... then there is no such thing as in character or out of character, because there IS NO character. its just glorified SIMS with third person shooter mechanics.

they already did it to Liara and people are happy, hell people are extatic and are claiming that LoSB was the best DLC evah!

Forgive me for not liking a very real prospect of even more characters I enjoyed so much, characters that were part of the reason I liked Mass Effect so much - getting lobotomized and stepfordized.


Oookay, this reads to me like someone's taking things a bit too seriously.

Really, all this over a game with characters developed just enough for a framework that's open for us to fill as we see fit.  Kaidan hits a different mark in each of us.  To me, his awkward fumbling with his feelings hits that mark that reminds me of when my now fiance was working up the huevos to let his feelings for me to be known.

That's not going to change with whatever Bioware has in mind for the character.  So some see him with a particular orientation, it doesn't change or affect what hits the mark for me with the character.

With how the tangents are going here I'm expecting someone somewhere making a declaration that he's real and they're married to him on the astral plane.

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If Kaidan is made bi in ME3, it's not an inconsistency in his character, at all. He was planned to be a romance for MShep, long before any of us ever played the game. There is also no 'canon' in rpgs. Each player's game will have it's own flavor.

The funny thing is, if there is a Kaidan romance continuation in ME3, to the point of allowing both genders romance him, rather than everyone being happy that Kaidan's romance gets the attention it's due, some of you are just going to b!tch about how they ruined his character with his bisexuality.

LOL, it's a GAME. He is not your boyfriend. This should not be taken so seriously. It would just be NICE if, Bioware, who has paid attention to gay gamers in the past, could include it in the Mass Effect series.

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you guys are not getting it at all, its all right, I know I'm in a minority of people who thought that SIMS was a waste of money. Maybe its because I read a lot of serialized books so for me seeing the same character be in character, be the same character without retconing and rewriting for the entire duration is a good thing. and yes, there's canon in rpgs. npc's are canon. story changes somewhat, player characters change, but npcs used to be the same. whatever they were planned to be, whichever way they make it into a final version of the game, used to be canon. but I suppose, its a dirty word nowadays.

I'm so happy that you think, that I have no grasp on reality or that I'm possessive of the character that's being romanced by I don't know how many players, over 700 of them at least on these boards alone and never mind other characters that are being retconed left and right.

I know its a game. and as such, I would prefer it that it was consistent in its sequels and in its characterization, so that when I play a different Shepard I don't end up looking at my squad and going - who are you and why are you acting so weirdly. I'm in a minority here. Even my own husband thinks, that characters acting differently in different playthroughs is a grand idea, but he prefers to read one shot books, so everything he reads is a new story to him.

but no matter what I try to say or how I phrase it, you will still see it as me being possessive homophobe, who doesn't want other people to have their fun. sigh.

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jeweledleah wrote...

you guys are not getting it at all, its all right, I know I'm in a minority of people who thought that SIMS was a waste of money. Maybe its because I read a lot of serialized books so for me seeing the same character be in character, be the same character without retconing and rewriting for the entire duration is a good thing. and yes, there's canon in rpgs. npc's are canon. story changes somewhat, player characters change, but npcs used to be the same. whatever they were planned to be, whichever way they make it into a final version of the game, used to be canon. but I suppose, its a dirty word nowadays.

I'm so happy that you think, that I have no grasp on reality or that I'm possessive of the character that's being romanced by I don't know how many players, over 700 of them at least on these boards alone and never mind other characters that are being retconed left and right.

I know its a game. and as such, I would prefer it that it was consistent in its sequels and in its characterization, so that when I play a different Shepard I don't end up looking at my squad and going - who are you and why are you acting so weirdly. I'm in a minority here. Even my own husband thinks, that characters acting differently in different playthroughs is a grand idea, but he prefers to read one shot books, so everything he reads is a new story to him.

but no matter what I try to say or how I phrase it, you will still see it as me being possessive homophobe, who doesn't want other people to have their fun. sigh.


I certainly wasn't calling you a homophobe, I just was pointing out that you're coming across a little too into things for just a game.  Speaking for myself, I just can't get that intent.  I've seen the assorted media I've enjoyed take changes that I felt were crap or didn't make sense, and when I was back in my younger days, I would get all worked up about it.  Now, I just don't seem the point and just take what I enjoy from it and move on.

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jeweledleah wrote...

you guys are not getting it at all, its all right, I know I'm in a minority of people who thought that SIMS was a waste of money. Maybe its because I read a lot of serialized books so for me seeing the same character be in character, be the same character without retconing and rewriting for the entire duration is a good thing. and yes, there's canon in rpgs. npc's are canon. story changes somewhat, player characters change, but npcs used to be the same. whatever they were planned to be, whichever way they make it into a final version of the game, used to be canon. but I suppose, its a dirty word nowadays.

I'm so happy that you think, that I have no grasp on reality or that I'm possessive of the character that's being romanced by I don't know how many players, over 700 of them at least on these boards alone and never mind other characters that are being retconed left and right.

I know its a game. and as such, I would prefer it that it was consistent in its sequels and in its characterization, so that when I play a different Shepard I don't end up looking at my squad and going - who are you and why are you acting so weirdly. I'm in a minority here. Even my own husband thinks, that characters acting differently in different playthroughs is a grand idea, but he prefers to read one shot books, so everything he reads is a new story to him.

but no matter what I try to say or how I phrase it, you will still see it as me being possessive homophobe, who doesn't want other people to have their fun. sigh.


Actually, I just disagree with you in that being gay is a cornerstone of one's personality and would cause a major characterization shift in a fictional character whose sexuality was never established beyond "likes women".  Because "likes women" and "likes men" are not mutually exclusive, nor is falling in love with a single person regardless of gender and physical sex.  Besides that there's a hefty chunk of subtext with Kaidan and DudeShep already.

Seriously, there are much bigger problems with Mass Effect continuity than one "Wow.  I didn't know you felt that way, Shepard." that would make a lot of players who rarely get recognized ever in gaming very happy.

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Some rather inflammatory things are being said by both sides of this argument. Maybe it should be taken to private discussions as to not scare off those few people still around right now?

And here, have a Kaidan:

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This has been upgraded from not cool to innapropriate.
Please take this argument elsewhere as it is off topic.

PS; @ Quaay - that is hot!

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Biotic_Warlock wrote...

This has been upgraded from not cool to innapropriate.
Please take this argument elsewhere as it is off topic.

PS; @ Quaay - that is hot!


I publicly apologize if anything in the content of my posts was inappropriate.

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Oooh, I like that Kaidan.  I see my forced exile from the boards was fortuitous.  *hugs Kaidan*

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Hi everyone! I'm new to the forums, just finished my first playthrough of ME2 (about time!). I'm not a big gamer, but my husband is and he introduced me to ME when it first came out. Being the huge scifi geek that I am, I loved it. I was immediately attracted to Kaidan's character. I love how calm and level-headed he is. Posted Image
Since I'm not much of a gamer and I dislike FPS games, I was turned off by ME2 at first, with all the changes they made to the game style, controls, etc. I guess I... pouted, for a bit. But when we moved recently, for some reason we lost all our saved games on our XBOX, so I started another ME game and moved on to ME2. I got used to the changes and really enjoyed it too, in the end!
I was upset with Horizon at first (in hindsight, to me it felt realistic), and I had my Shepard flirt a bit with Jacob as a kneejerk reaction, but I felt so guilty I ended it as soon as I could. We she looked at the picture before the SM, I thought it was a great moment... I could almost here her say: I wish you were here.

I hope we can have a Kaidan/Ashley DLC like we had Liara before ME3 comes out!

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Hallo ruden!
If you're interested, there is a Kaidan and Ashley DLC thread in the Spoilers Warning section of the ME forums. There is also a group to join (just click on my DLC sig bar). We have 838 members so far!