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[Jhourney]

Brodyaha wrote...

DragonRose wrote...

Weird that people dislike him for having Carth's voice. I like Raphael Sbarge's voice. It's very.... soothing swooning, for lack of a better term.

Fixed! 

hehe love Sbarge's voice. I don't think it's the actual voice of the good man that's the problem, it's the character of Carth himself that people carry over to Kaidan. Tons of people loathed Carth and found him to whine etc etc. So as soon as a character in ME carried that exact voice, they put their stamp of dissapproval on him imo. The "OMG IT'S CARTH, KILL IT, KILL IT WITH FIRE!!" first impression really didn't help Kaidan. Especially since Kaidan is "just human" and thus considered boring and bland by a lot of people who look for an escape from RL and want more exotic characters no doubt.
Even now I stumble across the "It's Carth, nuff said" answer to the question as to why people don't seem to like Kaidan. Really half of the gamers don't even give Kaidan as a character a decent chance, heck I bet they wish Virmire was at the start of the game so they can kill off 'Carth' asap.
The fact that Kaidan even has a line about whining makes it clear Bioware knew how Carth was being perceived and tried to beat some players to the punch by Kaidan just saying it out loud to get that out of the way lol
Sadly though, it didn't matter.

Imo all human characters seem to struggle in popularity vs the alien ones, it's just the way it is and in a way I get it even though I don't agree with it

[FireEye]

It probably doesn't help that Carth and Kaidan are both LI's.  People who already disliked Carth might have jumped the gun and assumed they were going to share the exact same story.  Then again, I don't know Carth, so I don't know how much of that initial annoyance was justified in the first place.

Their loss, I guess. 



... 

[DragonRose]

Brodyaha wrote...

To me, Carth and Kaidan's voice is just a small similarity. The tone is so different between the two of them for them to even be the same. Kaidan's voice is a bit lower, and he's much more calm.

If they were activities, Carth would be running, Kaidan would be yoga.

(But, yes. The voice. Love the voice of Kaidan...)

Yeah, Carth sounds like he's trying to say everything that he's thinking as soon as it pops into his head, while Kaidan seems to want to make sure everything comes out the way he wants it to, always leaving a way out and all that jazz.

[Jhourney]

Their loss indeed

Kaidan and Carth really are nothing alike, well cept for both being yummy ofcourse And indeed, I actually prefer what Sbarge did with Kaidan's voice over Carths. But, it's still clearly Sbarge and although I'm jumping in joy because of that...some hate it  Wouldn't mind Sbarge doing some of his husky chuckling/laughing for Kaidan though

Modifié par Jhosephine, 31 mars 2011 - 09:52 .

[Shenzi]

It actually was the VA that first drew me to Kaidan.

[rudenotginger]

FireEye wrote...




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Ooooh... Me likey...

[Jhourney]

So....who here has attempted to create a Kaidan in the DA2 character creator? If you did, I would love to see it
Haven't actually given it a go myself, but I have a feeling some might have tried

[Jade5233]

Shenzi wrote...

It actually was the VA that first drew me to Kaidan.

Yes.  Me too.
And my husband was exasperated by me the other day.  I was working on the computer next to him while he was playing ME1 and every time Kaidan's voice was heard (even in the background) my head popped up and the game had my full attention.
My hubby asked me why.  I told him that most of it was the voice.  That the voice is so sexy.
He did the equivalent of rolling his eyes at me.  LOL

I like romancing that voice.  Heck, I play paragon all the time in my games.  But if Sbarge voiced a renegade character, I'd still romance him.  I loooove that voice.
*swoons*

[Geirahod]

Jade5233 wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

It actually was the VA that first drew me to Kaidan.

Yes.  Me too.
And my husband was exasperated by me the other day.  I was working on the computer next to him while he was playing ME1 and every time Kaidan's voice was heard (even in the background) my head popped up and the game had my full attention.
My hubby asked me why.  I told him that most of it was the voice.  That the voice is so sexy.
He did the equivalent of rolling his eyes at me.  LOL

I like romancing that voice.  Heck, I play paragon all the time in my games.  But if Sbarge voiced a renegade character, I'd still romance him.  I loooove that voice.
*swoons*

This

hahahaha
His voice is so

[MizzNaaa]

I wasn't here when ME1 was released or before it was released, anyway, I loved Carth so hearing Kaidan having the same voice was one of the reason I was interested in the first place.

I do agree however on the whole "OMG HE"S CARTH KILL IT!"

People just don't want to give him a chance, well most men don't In ME1 it was either romance Kaidan or romance Liara for women, and not everybody liked Liara...I didn't hate Liara, I didn't hate any character, I still don't hate any character, not even.....wait for it

tIM

I don't hate him, he's a part of the plot, or the story or whatever you want to call it and I don't mind, I'm just a fangirl who loves the whole franchise and I just want to see its conclusion, including Kaidan.

But I wasn't going to romance Liara...I'm sorry, I just don't like her that way.

I'm guessing Horizon adds fuel to the flame, since the VS actually -oh my god- dared to say no to shepard and refuse to follow her. While there's Garrus, Thane and Jacob all over Shepard.

I'm not saying those romances aren't good, heck I have a Shepard made specifically for Thane, and Jacob is actually a decent guy if you don't romance him, and a decent romance if you do (I didn't, only saw videos) despite the priiiiiize, and all that.

So to many, waiting isn't just worth it...I want to romance someone NOW! I mean a lot of people didn't stay faithful to Liara too...but they got back with her in LotSB anyway.

so yeah...

I don't care about numbers, I don't care about trolling haters, I just want my kaibear in ME3.

[soren7550]

FireEye wrote...

Grunt is 22, Mordin is 50, Samara is "600 human years", whatever that means, and Zaeed is 40.

Except that Grunt was just born, salarians have a ~40 year lifespan, Samara's stories and hunting Morinth for 400 years seem to place her quite a bit higher than 600 (although maybe she could inch by), and, uh... well... Zaeed has a really problematic history for only being 40, particularly if it involves the Blue Suns.

And Kaidan is 35 instead of 34, but at least in his case you could say he had a birthday during the hunt for Saren or while Shep was jaunting around after the Collectors before Horizon. 

I think I migt be able to explain all the ages:

Grunt's 22 I think is such since he's a full grown krogan, in a sense that would make him 22 instead of a few days/weeks/months. (I hope you get what I'm saying. Trying to expain as best I can but I'm still really tired)

It's been stated that Mordin is quite old for a salarian, and being the genious he is, he probably developed some kind of drug that helps extend his life. That or he eats *really* healthy food.

Samara is probably in her 600s, so I can't really put any input or speculation for how that's right or wrong.

Zaeed, if I recall correctly, is over 40, and while doing his loyalty mission you get a codex entry that explains how the Blue Suns were really formed. (again, still really tired, so I'm not 100%)

Kaidan in ME1 most likely wasn't 32 on the dot (most likely 32 and a few months), and Shep was dead for 2 years and a few months, so with those few months added together, Kaidan reaches 35 rather than being 34.

[aimlessgun]

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself to romance Shepard?

[Jade5233]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I wasn't here when ME1 was released or before it was released, anyway, I loved Carth so hearing Kaidan having the same voice was one of the reason I was interested in the first place.

I do agree however on the whole "OMG HE"S CARTH KILL IT!"

People just don't want to give him a chance, well most men don't In ME1 it was either romance Kaidan or romance Liara for women, and not everybody liked Liara...I didn't hate Liara, I didn't hate any character, I still don't hate any character, not even.....wait for it

tIM

I don't hate him, he's a part of the plot, or the story or whatever you want to call it and I don't mind, I'm just a fangirl who loves the whole franchise and I just want to see its conclusion, including Kaidan.

But I wasn't going to romance Liara...I'm sorry, I just don't like her that way.

I'm guessing Horizon adds fuel to the flame, since the VS actually -oh my god- dared to say no to shepard and refuse to follow her. While there's Garrus, Thane and Jacob all over Shepard.

I'm not saying those romances aren't good, heck I have a Shepard made specifically for Thane, and Jacob is actually a decent guy if you don't romance him, and a decent romance if you do (I didn't, only saw videos) despite the priiiiiize, and all that.

So to many, waiting isn't just worth it...I want to romance someone NOW! I mean a lot of people didn't stay faithful to Liara too...but they got back with her in LotSB anyway.

so yeah...

I don't care about numbers, I don't care about trolling haters, I just want my kaibear in ME3.

I think that the VS storyline has the potential to be the best romance of the game--since it has a angst section in the middle where each has to re-evaluate the entire relationship.  But that's only if BW makes good on promises made in the past and doesn't sweep the VS romance under the carpet.  If they make good, then I will be very happy.
Its just that at this point I don't have faith in BW anymore--which is probably good.  It keeps my expectations low.

[jeweledleah]

yet another popularity contest..I might scoff at thembut I still cannot help but vote >_>

http://social.biowar...69/polls/17775/

Modifié par jeweledleah, 31 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[DragonRose]

Voted. Nobody will ever guess for who.

[sagefic]

aimlessgun wrote...

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself to romance Shepard?

huh, interesting question. i know of people who have (they can out themselves). i didn't. but i did find that as i wrote my fanfic, i realized i identify a LOT with kaidan in many ways. in all the ways i'm not like my shepard, i'm like him. i think that's part of why i like him as a character though, i really can see his point of view and it makes sense to me.

horizon, frankly, i totally bought for that very reason. i'm sure if my sweetie came back after two years with a terrorist organization and no phone call in the meantime, i'd completely start yelling, too. i'd throw in a lot more swearing that kaidan did as well. i don't think there would have been a hug to start, either, and i very well might have walked away without listening to the other person's explanation. huh, mebbe that makes me a bad person, but yeah, i think i would have done jsut what he did.

[Hedera]

aimlessgun wrote...

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself to romance Shepard?

ACTUALLY...

yes.  probably.  I don't know.  
It may have started that way, but Shepard is a whole different thing now.  She kinda dissociated herself from that and became an entity all her own.  It's hard to describe.  
And besides, I'm more like Alistair anyway...

[aimlessgun]

sagequeen wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did
anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game
to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself
to romance Shepard?

huh, interesting question. i know of
people who have (they can out themselves). i didn't. but i did find
that as i wrote my fanfic, i realized i identify a LOT with kaidan in
many ways. in all the ways i'm not like my shepard, i'm like him. i
think that's part of why i like him as a character though, i really can
see his point of view and it makes sense to me.

horizon, frankly,
i totally bought for that very reason. i'm sure if my sweetie came back
after two years with a terrorist organization and no phone call in the
meantime, i'd completely start yelling, too. i'd throw in a lot more
swearing that kaidan did as well. i don't think there would have been a
hug to start, either, and i very well might have walked away without
listening to the other person's explanation. huh, mebbe that makes me a
bad person, but yeah, i think i would have done jsut what he did.

Hmm that's in interesting comparison. My Shep is definitely a much different person than I am, and certainly some of those features are more like me in Kaidan.

I mostly
bought Horizon too, except the anger of "Hey! The writers didn't let me
contact you! It's not my fault!". Shep and Kaidan certainly cleaned up
some pretty sick Cerberus ops in ME1.

cgrimm54 wrote...
And besides, I'm more like Alistair anyway...

[meonlyred]

@MizzNaaa

Agreed, with most of this. I actually really liked Carth, I loved him to death in the KOTOR comics (which rock btw) but anyways. You do have a good point about Kaidan being the only person who basicly telling Shepard "no." I think people see the situation through Shepard's eyes more then his. Putting myself in his shoes I would have reacted the same way if someone I thought I loved and who I thought loved me suddenly showed back up. I also think people forget that Shepard and Kaidan were only 'together' for like a month. ME1 takes place in within a year, they only take their relationship to the next level right before the endgame with Saren. Then there is only a handful of weeks before Shepard get spaced. I'm sure they loved each other at the time and I KNOW my Shepard still loves Kaidan. But I feel Shepard will have to re-romance Kaidan in ME3. To show him that she really is the woman he fell in love with. Or at least that is how I hope it plays out. I didn't expect him to jump back into Shepard's bed the moment she appeared on Horizon. (Not that I didn't want that to happen :3) Regardless of the fact how much Shepard did or didn't love Kaidan, I'm not sure me personally would have just sent someone I loved a email saying "Sup, still alive." I would wait to find them and meet them face to face. In my head I think that is what Shepard was waiting for. Hell, Shepard tried to find him, she askes TIM and Anderson where he is. Yes I'm sure she could have tracked him down on her own, but try explaining why you used fuel and resourses to find your old squeeze for another roll in the hay, not when thousands for people are going missing.

I know a lot of you guys feel that the VS is getting screwed and to a point I agree but I still feel that Kaidan, Ash, and Liara are all plot device romances. More so then the ME2 romances. Though they seem to be more popular they feel more like after thoughts then the story based ME1 romances. Though the ME1 romances could be avoided, the game almost seemed to want you to romance someone. Think of it this way: Kaidan was the one who tiggered the beacon and had to be saved by Shepard. He was the one at her bedside when she woke up, with that smile *coo*. Then there is Ward scene where it proves almost from the beginning Kaidan was interested in Shepard. Then of course Virmire which forced you to choice between someone you had all but feel in love with and your best friend.

As for ME2 Shepard gets a picture of Kaidan on her desk (an oddly on Anderson desk too, can someone care to explain THAT one to me?) to remind you of their relationship. Also one thing I noticed my last playthrough, besides the opening scene with TIM and Miranda, Kaidan is the only character who gets a cutscene to himself without Shepard. I know some of you might not see that as a good point but to me, I see it was the writers bring him back up. They could have easily left that whole scene out but they didn't. They took the time to animate and voice a character who was not Shepard and not filling you in on plot like the TIM and Miranda scene. Also the fact that Kaidan did not go with Shepard does leave me hopeful. Any of the crew from the Normandy could be died besides Joker. For some reason Kaidan (or Ash) HAS to be alive for ME3. I have several theories on what that could mean but one thing I'm sure they wouldn't keep him alive during ME2 to kill him off in ME3. Not after the fact he could have died on Virmire.

And that has been my two cents for the evening. *bows and runs away again*

[FireEye]

aimlessgun wrote...

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself to romance Shepard?

I identify more with Kaidan than my Shepard.  Then again, my Shepard was specifially constructed to be not me outside of her love of pancakes, so...?  (Although I should probably add: I am not a guy.)


As for the, "the VS is still really important to Mass Effect, really," argument: they might be.  I don't really care at this juncture, because everything I loved about Mass Effect went out the window in Mass Effect 2.  If it works for ya'll, then power to ya; you have something I don't, and my envy to boot. 

Modifié par FireEye, 31 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Clonedzero]

hmm, would it be cool if kaidan got addicted to red sand or something? i dunno, it'd add some lacking flare to his character

[meonlyred]

FireEye wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Strange question for the guys in here. Going to sound weird, but hell not as weird as romancing aliens frankly.

Did anyone else romance Kaidan because he was the closest thing in the game to yourself, and you were in fact using Kaidan as a proxy for yourself to romance Shepard?

I identify more with Kaidan than my Shepard.  Then again, my Shepard was specifially constructed to be not me outside of her love of pancakes, so...?  (Although I should probably add: I am not a guy.)


As for the, "the VS is still really important to Mass Effect, really," argument: they might be.  I don't really care at this juncture, because everything I loved about Mass Effect went out the window in Mass Effect 2.  If it works for ya'll, then power to ya; you have something I don't, and my envy to boot. 

"We're going to need a bigger boot"
Sorry couldn't resist....

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

"We're going to need a bigger boot"
Sorry couldn't resist....

Nothing to apologize for.  XD

It is an awesome line, after all.