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[Selenora]

Jhosephine wrote...

Selenora wrote...

i really have no idea but it seems silly to me to have kaidan say: "you know hon...since you cheated on me i wont be joining you to fight the ultimate bad guys...i'll go fight them alone..."
since he knows that Shep is the best thing the universe has at that point to defeat the reapers (What? according the game not my personal opinion lol...even tho if we can judge them right...Shep IS the best option... )
and the consequences have not been referred to conect with the war itself...so maybe as you say he wil not be romancable...

Yeah, that's what I said yesterday too...Kaidan not joining you because you cheated makes no sense. But today my mind is going over different possibilities to see if I can make it work, but I can't lol 
Kaidan will do his duty, regardless of his personal feelings towards Shepard. But what is his duty exactly? Who's to say he needs to be on the Normandy to serve humanity the best he can, why won't it be a choice for him to make (and for us to persuade him to make) just because we know Shepard will save the day?

hehe my mind is just going bananas, I need to focus on other stuff and put it all to rest for a bit

I dont think he needs to be on Normandy full time....so thats what the artice means when it says to an extent...maybe he needs to be there to keep an eye on Shep...after all she was on a trial that never (as i understand reading the text) was resolved and Alliance is still not trusting her to act alone and unattentend ...or maybe he will be a squadmember for some Alliance quests...
and...by the Maker...girls..its too ealry  in the morning for me to start thinking kaidan  and groceries lol

[Aslanasadi]

Jhosephine wrote...

Aslanasadi wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Aslanasadi wrote...

Mmmmmh strawberries...whipped cream....maybe some ice cubes ...*eyes are getting a dreamy glitter*

See, who needs Sbarge's voice

Jho, his voice is like some extra candy...lol...don't you think ^^

Oh his voice is more than that, I'm sure...I would pay Sbarge to do some VO work for things like messenger services on a phone, or wake up messages for my alarm clock etc etc..rofl

A good voice just empowers (sp) a character so much. Both Carth and Kaidan could just have said 'Hi' and it would have been enough to make my main characters faint

I fully agree with all you said...boy...I would love to wake up with this voice...ROFL...but I think my hubby wouldn't like that too much *giggles*

[Aslanasadi]

Selenora...Here is my Kaidan shopping list again strawberries, whipped cream and some champagne, some candles ...lol...all you need for a nice relaxing time ^^...it's never to early imo ...lol...

Back to Kaidan being on the Normandy: I think what you said Selenora is something to consider and possible. Geez...I don't know how I will make it until November...lol...it's still just such a very long time to wait *sighs*

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I still can't process moving on to an ME3 love interest as "cheating." When someone tells me "I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore" and "When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know." It feels to me like the relationship is not considered to be currently-ongoing.

That said, I can see how Kaidan would be hurt that you moved on, if you did. But to define it as cheating... that annoys me a bit.

I'm still glad he's back. I really, really liked him in ME1, and I want a chance to get in a fight over Horizon.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 09 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[BECC4]

Hehe, it is a remarkable voice, I lost count of the number of times I turned into a puddle from a totally innocent conversation, my other half still rolls his eyes at my constant replaying of ME1. He hasn't figured out that all of my save points are strategically located before Kaidan convos

[Aslanasadi]

LOL...BECC4...it's the same here ^^

@CulturalGeekgirl, I know what you mean and it's right what you said. I think it's more because of BW using the word cheating, when they talked about the situation sometime ago.

[Naamah_bb]

Ross and Rachel "We were on a break" dispute comes to mind...

[Selenora]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I still can't process moving on to an ME3 love interest as "cheating." When someone tells me "I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore" and "When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know." It feels to me like the relationship is not considered to be currently-ongoing.

That said, I can see how Kaidan would be hurt that you moved on, if you did. But to define it as cheating... that annoys me a bit.

I'm still glad he's back. I really, really liked him in ME1, and I want a chance to get in a fight over Horizon.

no. It's on hold..and that is what we all are waiting here...to have a chance to reconcile....and i agree with Alsa about why we use the word cheating..after all we were not the first to use it....
Moving on under these circumstances is not considered cheating.....both for us and him.
(Well there is the point to how easily you can move on after being dead for 2 years while at the same time its not 2 years for you but only a few weeks....and even tho he kind of breaks your heart, a strong relationship with him would consider to have more than a few weeks from your part to make you feel dunped and move on....ok i really hope that made any sense )

[MICHELLE7]

cpolisch wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Awesome news. I still don't trust them, though. Fool me once, etc.

Edit: Daaaahh... I'm such a wet blanket. Sorry XD *goes back to snuggling  Boone and Vulpes plushies*

lol...Fort you got me doing it...the above post said players playable ..."to some extent"...and my paranoia set in.

Yeah, it does say "to some extent."  But the fact that he's actual in the promotional material is promising.  I've been negative for almost a year now, I can stand to be optimistic, especially when given something pretty solid to go on.

I can stand to be  a little positive myself...problem is I've still got the memory of everything that went down with Bigwrexfan's thread back on the other forums...it's not something I want to re-live...the promises...the disappointments. This time they better come through.

As for Kaidan does it look like he's a little gray through the hair or is that just the lighting...I don't know about anyone else but a few streaks of gray would be such a turn on for me. The stubble works as well...and if that's a permanant look I'd say Kaidan may have left the Alliance...I'll just leave my other thoughts to myself...the spoilers actually gave me some fanfic ideas and if I can get my husband out of the house at some point (bloody unlikely...he's laid off right now) I'll write.

Did I notice that Tali wasn't mentioned?

[MICHELLE7]

finchburg wrote...

The "to an extent" part makes me wonder if it would be something like what we saw in DA2 ... certain events happen which cause some of the characters to become unavailable, i.e. Bethany/Carver joining the wardens/chantry/circle, for a portion of the game but maybe coming back in the end?

Or maybe if they were LI's and you cheated you simply can't recruit them...don't like the idea of them not being available for a portion of the game...means that part of the game Kaidan is all I'll be thinking about much like the entirety or ME2...and that was one sick feeling. I just hope it isn't something like Jenkins in ME1...then I'd be seeing red.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

Great to see so many different posters in here  

Since I haven't done this yet, I want to say Thank You to Bioware for not only giving us confirmation this early in the PR schedule and setting our minds at ease, but also for using the VS in really the first big reveal for ME3. After the long wait and the cameo/DLC silence, it's just nice to see such a gesture from you guys, intentional or not
So again Thank You!!

About the 'to some extent', it can mean so many things. Maybe Kaidan won't join right from the beginning of the game, after all they have some issues that need adressing too. Maybe it's not about everybody on that list of confirmation...I can see it apply to Sanders, who we know nothing about, that he may join Shepard for a certain mission.
The fact that Kaidan is on the same list as Garrus, who's probably the most loved character of the series (yes even more than Tali since she gets as much hate as she does love), makes the 'some extent' less of a problem for me.
Heck Garrus was a squadmate 'to some extent' in ME2 as well if you didn't recruit him first. You could play for a long time before picking him up
Sure the magazine could have made seperate lists with names that are confirmed as full squadmates and those who just tag along for a mission or something, but that would prolly give away too much content wise

I think recruiting may be like we saw in ME2. There might be a mission leading up to Kaidan's recruitment, where the choices you make lead to him joining you or not, factoring in past choices (like cheating somehow). Thus he'll be recruitable 'to some extent' because if you make the wrong choices, he won't be joining you and thus isn't a squadmate Which I'm sure will be the same for the rest of the team you need to build again. To some extent they can be squadmates, but not if you make certain choices.

Have a Kaidan :

The fact that the spoilers mention that Shepard is on trial made me think that Kaidan would be at the first of the game...character witness maybe...it was just my first thought that Kaidan/Ashley would start out with Shep first thing like ME1. The mention of Garrus made me think character witness as well. Joker would have to be around since they have to escape...my thoughts were that if they were having a trial on earth that  most of the crew of ME2 would be absent...few of them would be credible witnesses for Shepard given their reputation. I don't know...I haven't played Arrival yet and don't know how that fits in with it...I'll probably wait until closer to release date to replay ME2 and the DLC's...perhaps it'll keep me from chewing my fingernails off in anticipation..and yes (lol) seeing that how many lived affects the outcome I'll give a go at letting everyone live this time (depsite my dislike for some of them).

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

PopDisaster wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan looks younger in that mag?? I mean, he looks good, but different. I think he looks much younger... maybe I just need to see it irl.

Think it's the lighting, there's very little detail to be seen on his face...even his eyes are hard to make out. Any wrinkles, lines, scars or whatever are blurred out by the quality of the scan as well as the bright light. Hmm, next time my photo is taken, I'll ask for some bright light and a huge flash, so I look younger too
They are listing Kaidan's age in his profile on the site, can't imagine them making him look younger than he did originally because imo he looked his age

You know, my mind is wrestling with the whole 'cheating will have major consequences in me3' thing. Maybe Kaidan, like Tali in ME2, will have his own responsibilities in ME3 which make it harder for him to join you and only those who romanced him (faithfully) will get extra dialogue options that can persuade him to join you on the Normandy. If not, he fights the Reapers on some other ship/whatever.
Or maybe when say, Anderson, suggests Kaidan rejoining Shepard he will politely refuse if you cheated and instead command his own ship..or something.

Argh, that cheated has consequences thing is driving me mad lol

:lol:I didn't cheat...not on one playthrough...I don't know why...It was so easy in Dragon Age...but I just couldn't do it to Kaidan...I'm hopeless. I think you may be right about not being able to recruit him if you cheated. I think someone said that if you didn't have Liara as your LI that you couldn't romance her in the Shadowbroker DLC...seems to be the way Bioware is going with that. Just wish I could romance and recruit Kaidan and somehow resurrect Ashley...having to sacrifice her on Virmire was a big loss to the game in my opinion.

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

Selenora wrote...

i really have no idea but it seems silly to me to have kaidan say: "you know hon...since you cheated on me i wont be joining you to fight the ultimate bad guys...i'll go fight them alone..."
since he knows that Shep is the best thing the universe has at that point to defeat the reapers (What? according the game not my personal opinion lol...even tho if we can judge them right...Shep IS the best option... )
and the consequences have not been referred to conect with the war itself...so maybe as you say he wil not be romancable...

Yeah, that's what I said yesterday too...Kaidan not joining you because you cheated makes no sense. But today my mind is going over different possibilities to see if I can make it work, but I can't lol 
Kaidan will do his duty, regardless of his personal feelings towards Shepard. But what is his duty exactly? Who's to say he needs to be on the Normandy to serve humanity the best he can, why won't it be a choice for him to make (and for us to persuade him to make) just because we know Shepard will save the day?

hehe my mind is just going bananas, I need to focus on other stuff and put it all to rest for a bit

Just a thought...in DA2 if you played as a mage then Bethany was not in the scenes with Orsino later (if she joined the circle) and the same with Carver(and the Templars) and even the Warden scene with Alistair. Depending on your choice you either got a a character you knew or some character that just filled the role.

With the Bethany/Orsino scene you got a whole lot more out of the character if Bethany lived and a whole lot more dialogue (and she could rejoin you). If  she had died early on (because you played as a mage) the character that took her place died in the scene where they reintroduce Bethany and you never even hear from her.

I'm wondering if you cheated they might simply replace Kaidan with a different character(perhaps recruitable...same dialogue except no romance) like with Dragon Age. Maybe (and I know no one wants to hear it) Kaidan gets killed off...I mean this is Bioware we are talking about...they kill off beloved characters like Joss Wheden. Maybe he plays a vital roll at the beginning but because you cheated his hearts all broken(and he's not thinking straight) and he gets himself killed...but if you didn't cheat he keeps a cool head and prevails and you can recruit him. Just thinking out loud here.

[MICHELLE7]

Selenora wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Selenora wrote...

i really have no idea but it seems silly to me to have kaidan say: "you know hon...since you cheated on me i wont be joining you to fight the ultimate bad guys...i'll go fight them alone..."
since he knows that Shep is the best thing the universe has at that point to defeat the reapers (What? according the game not my personal opinion lol...even tho if we can judge them right...Shep IS the best option... )
and the consequences have not been referred to conect with the war itself...so maybe as you say he wil not be romancable...

Yeah, that's what I said yesterday too...Kaidan not joining you because you cheated makes no sense. But today my mind is going over different possibilities to see if I can make it work, but I can't lol 
Kaidan will do his duty, regardless of his personal feelings towards Shepard. But what is his duty exactly? Who's to say he needs to be on the Normandy to serve humanity the best he can, why won't it be a choice for him to make (and for us to persuade him to make) just because we know Shepard will save the day?

hehe my mind is just going bananas, I need to focus on other stuff and put it all to rest for a bit

I dont think he needs to be on Normandy full time....so thats what the artice means when it says to an extent...maybe he needs to be there to keep an eye on Shep...after all she was on a trial that never (as i understand reading the text) was resolved and Alliance is still not trusting her to act alone and unattentend ...or maybe he will be a squadmember for some Alliance quests...
and...by the Maker...girls..its too ealry  in the morning for me to start thinking kaidan  and groceries lol

I haven't read the article and just glanced the spoilers...I was too excited to pay much attention but the jist of what I think I saw said that Shepard takes the Normancy after the reapers attack...I'm not sure that she/he was sanctioned by the Alliance to do so....it sounded like she might just be making an escape to go get help and taking whoever is willing to go along with her. The Alliance may not have time or the ability to set someone on the ship to look after Shepard.

[M-Sinistrari]

MICHELLE7 wrote...
:lol:I didn't cheat...not on one playthrough...I don't know why...It was so easy in Dragon Age...but I just couldn't do it to Kaidan...I'm hopeless. I think you may be right about not being able to recruit him if you cheated. I think someone said that if you didn't have Liara as your LI that you couldn't romance her in the Shadowbroker DLC...seems to be the way Bioware is going with that. Just wish I could romance and recruit Kaidan and somehow resurrect Ashley...having to sacrifice her on Virmire was a big loss to the game in my opinion.

I thought it was insanely easy to cheat in ME2.  I swear the dialog wheel would give you something innocuous like "Good Morning." and it'd translate into "I want you NOW!".  While I do understand that they did want people to give the new romances a go, I don't think they took into account the amount of people like me who had no problem doing some ME1 playthroughs just to have a non-romanced Shep to bring into ME2 to see the romances.

For the most part I thought they were all kinda lousy save one or two tops.

[jtav]

It wasn't that bad. I have games where I moved on and games where I didn't.I have every confidence that Kaidan will be mature about it. Right now, I'm going to be really optimistic and imagine introducing Kaidan to my favorite ME2 squad members.

[Star]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

PopDisaster wrote...

Does anyone think Kaidan looks younger in that mag?? I mean, he looks good, but different. I think he looks much younger... maybe I just need to see it irl.

Think it's the lighting, there's very little detail to be seen on his face...even his eyes are hard to make out. Any wrinkles, lines, scars or whatever are blurred out by the quality of the scan as well as the bright light. Hmm, next time my photo is taken, I'll ask for some bright light and a huge flash, so I look younger too
They are listing Kaidan's age in his profile on the site, can't imagine them making him look younger than he did originally because imo he looked his age

You know, my mind is wrestling with the whole 'cheating will have major consequences in me3' thing. Maybe Kaidan, like Tali in ME2, will have his own responsibilities in ME3 which make it harder for him to join you and only those who romanced him (faithfully) will get extra dialogue options that can persuade him to join you on the Normandy. If not, he fights the Reapers on some other ship/whatever.
Or maybe when say, Anderson, suggests Kaidan rejoining Shepard he will politely refuse if you cheated and instead command his own ship..or something.

Argh, that cheated has consequences thing is driving me mad lol

:lol:I didn't cheat...not on one playthrough...I don't know why...It was so easy in Dragon Age...but I just couldn't do it to Kaidan...I'm hopeless. I think you may be right about not being able to recruit him if you cheated. I think someone said that if you didn't have Liara as your LI that you couldn't romance her in the Shadowbroker DLC...seems to be the way Bioware is going with that. Just wish I could romance and recruit Kaidan and somehow resurrect Ashley...having to sacrifice her on Virmire was a big loss to the game in my opinion.

I didn't cheat on Kaidan either and BW may well use that as a measure. However, in LoTSB if Liara had been your first LI and you cheated on her, you could still romance her in the extension - she did comment on the cheating however.   I will say that I didn't personally test this but I did post a question on the forums about the consequences of cheating and got back several replies saying that they had been able to complete the romance even though they'd romanced someone else in ME2.

[Aslanasadi]

Tbh my Shepard had no problems to stay faithful in ME2, but yeah, the dialogue wheel in ME2 was a bit tricky. One of the reason I quit talking to some of the characters later ^^

[M-Sinistrari]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Tbh my Shepard had no problems to stay faithful in ME2, but yeah, the dialogue wheel in ME2 was a bit tricky. One of the reason I quit talking to some of the characters later ^^

After the first playthrough with many reloads, I just ended up not talking to anyone except Mordin and ended up getting turned down by him since according to him, I was giving him a come hither eyetwitch.

[soren7550]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Tbh my Shepard had no problems to stay faithful in ME2, but yeah, the dialogue wheel in ME2 was a bit tricky. One of the reason I quit talking to some of the characters later ^^

Same here. During my first playthrough, I knew right away after Thane called me Siha (sp?) that I should stop talking to him. Jacob, after a time I stopped talking to him since simply asking him a bit more about himself, it sounded like Shep was flirting way too much with him.

[Jhourney]

Aslanasadi wrote...

Tbh my Shepard had no problems to stay faithful in ME2, but yeah, the dialogue wheel in ME2 was a bit tricky. One of the reason I quit talking to some of the characters later ^^

Always thought the romance options on the wheel in ME2 were pretty clear. Shepard is, after all, a bit frisky in ME2 lol I still prefer the ME system over the DA2 one...really those icons were just silly imo. A heart to show you're flirting? Really? What if I don't want to know which option is the obvious flirt, what if I want to find out myself that the few words on a wheel could end up being some Rawr Rawr comment? 

Anyway, I do believe it's cheating if you move on in ME2 ...to a point but it's how each of us views the game differently For my Shepard her relationship with Kaidan meant the world, he was her rock, the one stable factor in the chaos and the fact two career marines broke regs (among other things) to give into their feelings, is just one way of showing it goes beyond an one night stand. The whole build up of the romance in ME1 was just great and my Shepard really fell for her lieutenant So no, exploring new options so soon after the events of ME1 was never in the books for her. Yeah years went by, but not for her...she remembers the night before Ilos like it was yesterday...so to speak. So personally any of my Shepards who romanced Kaidan, remained faithful. Because to me that's how it felt
The single Shepard I imported (and oh boy did I have a hard time staying away from Kaidan in that ME1 playthrough) had a go at trying the new LI's but none appealed to me in the end so I never finished her playthrough of ME2. So no romance achievement for me in ME2

I can see people considering it's not cheating though *shrugs* It's all how you view and RP your Shepard. There are tons of people who think Kaidan was a jerk on Horizon and he deserves hell for it and thus that's why they move on. And again I could never do that or see it like that
I do hope there's a reward for those who remained faithful, but I don't expect anything major. Would be nice though, even if it's something small. A little gesture, a special dialogue option..I dunno Do I deserve some special treatment because I remained faithful? No. But again, some small gesture would be lovely, like Shepard telling Kaidan she loves him and always has, that there's nobody but him...or something horribly but squee-worthy romantic

However they handle it, it won't matter in the end for me. My Shepard has but one love, and hopes to make things right as soon as she gets the chance. That's going to be my playthrough, I won't see any of the consequences in the end should there be any lol  I'm just a softy, the LI that appeals to me is usually the LI for all my playthroughs. In DA2 I tried a different approach but it doesn't matter, I keep going for the same LI  Heck, it would be nice to have a Kirk like Shepard but I just can't...darn me lol

Modifié par Jhosephine, 09 avril 2011 - 04:05 .

[Jenova65]

ME3 news has breathed some life back in to the thread and people are talking in an interesting and upbeat way, it's awesome.......
I hope that there are consequences to cheating, I cheated in one playthrough precisely to see the consequences. There wasn't much in the way of consequence with Liara was there, but then again Liara is very easy to romance and will by default be the romance if Shepard is daft enough to suggest a threesome... Ash and Kaidan say no and Liara just accepts it as if Shepard chose her, which always felt like lazy writing tbh....And does a disservice to Liara in a way...

[fortunesque]

MICHELLE7 wrote...


I can stand to be  a little positive myself...problem is I've still got the memory of everything that went down with Bigwrexfan's thread back on the other forums...it's not something I want to re-live...the promises...the disappointments. This time they better come through.

As for Kaidan does it look like he's a little gray through the hair or is that just the lighting...I don't know about anyone else but a few streaks of gray would be such a turn on for me. The stubble works as well...and if that's a permanant look I'd say Kaidan may have left the Alliance...I'll just leave my other thoughts to myself...the spoilers actually gave me some fanfic ideas and if I can get my husband out of the house at some point (bloody unlikely...he's laid off right now) I'll write.

Did I notice that Tali wasn't mentioned?

Ah yes, the "ME1 LIs are not recruitable" thread in the old forums. That thread ruined my life for a few weeks

And I think Tali will be the character that they don't mention until much later... possibly Miranda.

Edit: They didn't mention Liara, Thane etc either though. This is a beginning promo though, so everything's up in the air for now.

Modifié par fortunesque, 09 avril 2011 - 04:29 .

[Chaos715]

Yay, I'm so excited to see Kaidan again! His eyes and lips seem a little small but his hair looks gorgeous and the scruff *sigh*, it's definately going to be a long wait for ME3.

I think the whole cheating thing is Bioware just stating the obvious since they do kind of try to nudge you into the new "romances". I don't think it will have any major reprecussions, they have said after all that they kept Kaidan out of ME2 for some important role in ME3. I just think it will cause some awkwardness and you possibly won't be able to continue the romance. I do kind of hope they handle it differently than they did with Liara, I think it would hurt Kaidan at least a little and I don't think he would just brush it aside.

The "to some extent" certainly makes me nervous but hopefully it's just them being vague. I do think that the fact that they spent the time and resources to update Kaidan and Ashley's look is a good sign. And the fact that there was a picture of them in the magazine, especially Kaidan, shows that they've heard us and know how important he is to us. Now all we can do is hope that they stay true to his character and hope that they've given the writing for him the love and care that he deserves.

Modifié par Chaos715, 09 avril 2011 - 04:53 .

[jeweledleah]

actually ME2 was incredibly easy to figure out where romance started for me. I think you all were expecting ME1 with its subtler "as long as I'm nice, we're basically in relationship" mode, but with ME2, Shepard might have sounded a bit flirty (with Jacob mostly) but the trigger phrase would usually be incredibly obvious. its part of what made those romances feel less natural to me. not to mention you could back out at any time, though different characters would react with different emotion (for example Garrus with relief, Jacob with anger, Miranda with understanding, etc)

I romanced and plan on romancing everyone once I'm done with my imports to ME3 and I only have one Shepard that moved on, from Kaidan to Jacob... she started out as an attempt to see Horizon from a different angle and I ended up really liking how she turned out. I'm very curious as to what consequences will be, but I really hope they bring all the squadmates from ME2 back so that she could make her choice with both of them there instead of by default (and actually I think she might be staying with Jacob...but we shall see).