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[MizzNaaa]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Agreeing with both of you...Dragging it out in the game would drive me crazy...I just don't want them to do it early on then let it fizzle...why can't we have several intimate love scenes over the entire game.

Well, considering the costs in animating lovescenes I don't think that will happen. However, DA2 made a step in the right direction by having a lovescene and different kissing scenes...oh and a fade to black lovescene that shows nothing but appears after flirting if I recall correctly.

If we could have two, that would be great...one earlier in the game and the good ol' scene before the grand finale Have to say though, if we get one ME1 style lovescene in ME3...I'll be absolutely thrilled, that one was so beautifully done. Again a big thank you to the people designing and animating that one
One beautiful lovescene and a few kissing scenes would work for me. Not the 'select Kiss and see the same kissing scene over and over again' but the way it's done in DA2.

Something that's perhaps cheaper resource wise and still gives the relationship intimacy is gestures; caressing a cheek during a conversation, holding hands, a hug, kiss on the cheek....actual physical contact between two lovers. But Bioware seems to work that into their games a bit more as of late...Jacob holds hands with femshep after the love confirmation right? The DA2 LI's cup cheeks....yes there's more touching going on and I would love to see more of that in ME3.
Kaidan caressing Shepards cheek while saying something sweet beats any fade to black hint at a lovescene imo

I wouldn't agree with costs.  DAO had a few modders who did in their free time Improved Romance Scenes and there are several of them (several romance scenes) and it didn't cost them anything but a toolset and time.  The devs are being lazy if they can't do a few romantic scenes and say it's cost.  It's not cost.  One of the modders even created a wedding scene out of the modding tools for Alistair as king and the princess consort Cousland.  It was beautiful.  Bioware can do it if the modding community can do it.  If Bioware doesn't think they're up to it, then they should release modding tools so the community of modders can do it.  We'll do it for sure.

The romance scene (one of the modded ones) I have is very sweet for DA: O...and oh my god that wedding scene was perfect! 

[sevalaricgirl]

Modders are already at work modding DA2 and will in a very few short months have mods for the love scenes that we cut out of the game. The one thing I don't get about Bioware is that their games are bloody and gory but skinless. You kill tons of enemies but you can't show a bit of skin. Crazy. They need to stop giving in to media. I don't expect full out love scenes but I want more than a let's jump into bed the world's going to end especially for Kaidan and Shep. They've already been there, now they have to fix it and a wedding at the end would be perfect.  If they release modding tools, it will be done.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 10 avril 2011 - 01:28 .

[keekee53]

I actually thought they were cheaping out on the romances as well but I am not so sure now.  I think with the different species it was tough for them to show a love scene like ME1.  

[Snuggels]

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[M-Sinistrari]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

It was a joke.  I guess you don't understand humor?  I played DAO, 17x, and on my 5th playthrough of DA2.  I guess each to her/his own but I loves DAO's romance.  You could romance Alistair the entire game and marry him in the end.  Way different than ME's little 5 second romance.  I can also include Anders from DA2 here,  You can romance him for most of the game and he moves into your house with you and you can go off together in the end.  You don't get that in ME or ME2.  In ME/ME2 it's all about "we're going to die so let's have sex."  The ME team can learn a lot from the DA team on romance.

I do understand humour, it's just for my wardens, I have to use a mod for them to be eligable to marry Alistair, and so far to my knowlege there's no mod out there that allows one to either get past the deal with Morrigan thing or the end sacrifice thing.  Your comment only had me curious as to someone managing that sort of mod.

Anyways, back to Kaidan.  I do have to agree with others that it feels odd to not romance him in a playthrough.  I do have one Shep that I've kept romanceless as a just in case for ME3.

[Chignon]

Snuggels wrote...

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[Quaay]

My single femSheps were started in ME2 because I can't avoid Kaidan in ME1. If they allow a Joker romance it will be very strange having Kaidan on the Normandy as well. I would feel like I was cheating right in front of him.

And because the page is lacking Kaidan goodness:

Modifié par Quaay, 10 avril 2011 - 02:24 .

[chem light]

Dude, that poll is how I just found out Kaidan and ash were confirmed!  HUZZAH!

So friggin' excited right now I dont' need biotics to levitate!

[Jhourney]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
I wouldn't agree with costs.  DAO had a few modders who did in their free time Improved Romance Scenes and there are several of them (several romance scenes) and it didn't cost them anything but a toolset and time.  The devs are being lazy if they can't do a few romantic scenes and say it's cost.  It's not cost.  One of the modders even created a wedding scene out of the modding tools for Alistair as king and the princess consort Cousland.  It was beautiful.  Bioware can do it if the modding community can do it.  If Bioware doesn't think they're up to it, then they should release modding tools so the community of modders can do it.  We'll do it for sure.

Well, free time is key here I think. I can imagine Bioware having a set time to finish things and budget accordingly. Putting someone on creating a new lovescene costs time and resources, I mean the guy isn't working there for free, nor is the time he works in free for Bioware who, no doubt, are on a strict schedule.
No idea how that works though, but when David Gaider tells fans a character from DA2 isn't shirtless because of resource limits and how the person working on the scene just asked him "What do you want me to take out?" so the shirtless character could be created...just gave me the idea they are juggling with time and resources and prioritizing what's important to them.

I love what modders are creating and often wonder why Bioware themselves didn't give us certain things to begin with, but it has to be because their priorities lie elsewhere. Which is why some details look so weird in the games, the cross-eyed stuff and such, no doubt. I don't think it's laziness...imo no artist could have missed Ash and Kaidan going cross-eyed so often on Horizon...and if I was said artist, I would want to fix it for sure At least I hope it's not laziness lol

We want certain scenes, but at the expense of what? How do you decide what's important to you as a developer and your fans? Just look at how much is being cut out of movies or dismissed alltogether before shooting. Sometimes I see the extras and go "Why did they cut that??"...what's important to me maybe isn't so important to another.

I dunno, no idea how they think or work but I have to assume it's resources and not laziness because I do believe these games are created with a lot of love

Doubt it's that easy though or maybe it is. I just hope we get some lovely scenes with Kaidan this time around, without any cross eyes...or Phoenix armor....but it seems the Phoenix armor won't make a return at all lol

Modifié par Jhosephine, 10 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[Star]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Modders are already at work modding DA2 and will in a very few short months have mods for the love scenes that we cut out of the game. The one thing I don't get about Bioware is that their games are bloody and gory but skinless. You kill tons of enemies but you can't show a bit of skin. Crazy. They need to stop giving in to media. I don't expect full out love scenes but I want more than a let's jump into bed the world's going to end especially for Kaidan and Shep. They've already been there, now they have to fix it and a wedding at the end would be perfect.  If they release modding tools, it will be done.

@ Jho - your post snuck in before mine...and I agree with you.  We don't know what the costs and limits are.

Still, thank god for the modders! 

Yeah - in some ways it truly doesn't make sense to be able to cut someone's head off or (one of my personal favs) - hit someone hard enough that they fall apart in great gory chunks - but there's no skin and nothing beyond the faintest suggestion of a love scene. 

Still, as to the whys and wherefores of what we're getting in the love department these days, it seems hard to tell  what the rationale is.   There are plenty of games which sell well and show all kinds of skin -- both in and out of love scenes.  Sure Fox News went after them for ME1 but there hasn't been much comment since then.  I suspect a mixture of things -- some concern for hype, some of it programming time (and yes modders do fix things but we don't know how much of their free time is spent doing so; it may well be a lot of time) and some of it is also prolly relying on the fact that there are a number of fans who don't really care about the love scenes.  All decision processes have their challenges and honestly if I were in BW's shoes, I might just include in my decision the liklihood of a modder "fixing" the product to suit themselves which might well influence my decision of what to spend time on and what not to spend time on.

Modifié par Star58, 10 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[Jhourney]

Star58 wrote...

I suspect a mixture of things -- some concern for hype, some of it programming time (and yes modders do fix things but we don't know how much time is spent doing so; it may well be a lot of time) and some of it is also prolly relying on the fact that there are a number of fans who don't really care about the love scenes.  Of course all this is speculation but I think there are a number of ways for BW to come up with a justification that satisfies them (not us!) as to why they don't include more.  Maybe they tell themselves that they don't need to include it as the modders will? 

Exactly

[jeweledleah]

personal opinion on love scenes...I'd rather take longer more involved (read more choices for all) verbal confrontation/reconciliation then an elaborately animated love scene. while ME1 love scenes were lovely, I had zero problems with ME2 scenes personally. just give me lots and lots of dialogue to play around with, is all I ask I think our imagination is vivid enough to conjure up the rest if we so desire.

edited to add - on modders and costs.  those of you who say that modders did it on thier own time?

TIME is a key word here. game developers have limited time.  they have to pick and chose what they focus on.  Every extra thing that needs to be animated?  it could mean spending less time on dialogue, or story, etc.  animate a love scene, spend less time animating some conversation... you know.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 10 avril 2011 - 03:22 .

[Joisan]

Jhosephine wrote...

Something that's perhaps cheaper resource wise and still gives the relationship intimacy is gestures; caressing a cheek during a conversation, holding hands, a hug, kiss on the cheek....actual physical contact between two lovers. But Bioware seems to work that into their games a bit more as of late...Jacob holds hands with femshep after the love confirmation right? The DA2 LI's cup cheeks....yes there's more touching going on and I would love to see more of that in ME3.
Kaidan caressing Shepards cheek while saying something sweet beats any fade to black hint at a lovescene imo

I'll second that!  Though having little gestures like that *and* a love scene like ME1 would put me pretty much over the moon

[shotgun-shepard]

On 'spruced up Kaidan': Oh my...its like they scanned my brain whilst I was sleeping, found out exactly what my perfect Kaidan (read perfect man) would look like, sorted out his curlybobs and bunged some manly stubble on there to tickle Shepard's cheek with ...*drools, mumbles incoherently and faints*

Modifié par shotgun-shepard, 10 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[M-Sinistrari]

jeweledleah wrote...

personal opinion on love scenes...I'd rather take longer more involved (read more choices for all) verbal confrontation/reconciliation then an elaborately animated love scene. while ME1 love scenes were lovely, I had zero problems with ME2 scenes personally. just give me lots and lots of dialogue to play around with, is all I ask I think our imagination is vivid enough to conjure up the rest if we so desire.

I'm the same way.  I liked the love scenes in both ME1 & 2.  It's nice to show some skin but equally things can be just as sizzling when done clothed.  Maybe it's just me and my age, but I've found over the course of time that I prefer a good amount left to the imagination.  I do still read the more smutty fanfics mind you, but on some I do think if they went more with a leave it to the imagination route the fic would've been better.

Granted I've done more than my share of writing full 'fluids a flying' fics over the course of years, but I've found I'm more comfortable just going along with what feels right for a particular fic be it leave to the imagination or going balls out hardcore.

[Jenova65]

After the SM every time you go to Jacob and talk to him you can ask him how he is (as a flirt dialogue) and he pulls Shepard close, they share a kiss and some brief romantic talk.... Imagine if they put something like that in for Kaidan (and Ash................)

[Jhourney]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

personal opinion on love scenes...I'd rather take longer more involved (read more choices for all) verbal confrontation/reconciliation then an elaborately animated love scene. while ME1 love scenes were lovely, I had zero problems with ME2 scenes personally. just give me lots and lots of dialogue to play around with, is all I ask I think our imagination is vivid enough to conjure up the rest if we so desire.

I'm the same way.  I liked the love scenes in both ME1 & 2.  It's nice to show some skin but equally things can be just as sizzling when done clothed.  Maybe it's just me and my age, but I've found over the course of time that I prefer a good amount left to the imagination.  I do still read the more smutty fanfics mind you, but on some I do think if they went more with a leave it to the imagination route the fic would've been better.

Granted I've done more than my share of writing full 'fluids a flying' fics over the course of years, but I've found I'm more comfortable just going along with what feels right for a particular fic be it leave to the imagination or going balls out hardcore.

Oh I'm a 'less is more' type of girl myself and don't need to see any full frontal nudity in my games or whatever. The scene in ME1 hardly showed anything and yet showed enough for it to be sensual and beautiful
I find a towel on Kaidan to be more sexy than him showing it all, for example, even though I jest about burning towels. As a woman myself I know the power of covering things is often stronger than showing it all *chuckles*
Still, I prefer the scene from ME1 to the ones I watched on youtube from ME2...for the femsheps anyway. Mind you, my opinion is affected by me not really finding the ME2 LIs appealing at all so I view those scenes differently.

Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things

@Jen Exactly, I love details like that

Modifié par Jhosephine, 10 avril 2011 - 03:48 .

[M-Sinistrari]

Jhosephine wrote...
Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things

We'd either be unable to type due to being struck silent by the awesome, or begin great debate on the presense or lack of Kaidan chest hair.

[Jenova65]

 Actually I would literally be doing this


All day...
Every day....
For a month............ 

[syllogi]

jeweledleah wrote...

personal opinion on love scenes...I'd rather take longer more involved (read more choices for all) verbal confrontation/reconciliation then an elaborately animated love scene. while ME1 love scenes were lovely, I had zero problems with ME2 scenes personally. just give me lots and lots of dialogue to play around with, is all I ask I think our imagination is vivid enough to conjure up the rest if we so desire.

edited to add - on modders and costs.  those of you who say that modders did it on thier own time?

TIME is a key word here. game developers have limited time.  they have to pick and chose what they focus on.  Every extra thing that needs to be animated?  it could mean spending less time on dialogue, or story, etc.  animate a love scene, spend less time animating some conversation... you know.

Yeah, I have no problem with fade to black love scenes.  I would actually like more time spent on the build up and after effects of said scene...especially with Kaidan, I want to feel like Horizon, and whatever other problems they might encounter, are properly addressed.  Although a part of me would not mind jumping straight to the "good stuff", I really would rather have good writing.

[Jenova65]

It is the lengthy interaction and the little touches (like kissing Alistair when out and about) that make you feel like your character is IN a relationship. And other people acknowledging it too.... like in DA:O party banter...... An ounce of detail is worth a pound of cutscene, lol....
I did like the scene in Mass Effect though, it was quite sweet and felt intimate...... Where it didn't in ME2.
They will have it right, when you can talk to your LI and just pass the time of day with them. And the kissing, I like the kissing.... which is odd, because I am not a kissy person *shrugs*

[Jhourney]

TeenZombie wrote...

Although a part of me would not mind jumping straight to the "good stuff", I really would rather have good writing.

True, but who's to say we can't have it all? That's too much wishful thinking on my part I guess

If they can manage to make the relationship feel as naturally flowing as they did in ME1, I'll be over the moon...and back. But I agree....fully clothed and great dialogues >>>smexy scenes with crappy writing. Especially since the amount of actual dialogue we get with Kaidan won't be as extensive as say Alistair's, so every dialogue we get has to pack a punch...or two..so to speak

[Chaos715]

jeweledleah wrote...

personal opinion on love scenes...I'd rather take longer more involved (read more choices for all) verbal confrontation/reconciliation then an elaborately animated love scene. while ME1 love scenes were lovely, I had zero problems with ME2 scenes personally. just give me lots and lots of dialogue to play around with, is all I ask I think our imagination is vivid enough to conjure up the rest if we so desire.

My problem with the ME2 romances was more about the buildup of the relationship (or lack thereof) than the actual love scene.  Most of them just kind of felt like one night stands than an actual relationship.  I absolutely loved the the whole romance in ME1, you were actually involved as the romance evolved and the romance was better woven into the story.  They really paid attention to all the small details in ME1,all the little reactions you get from Kaidan and that sweet embarassed smile of his.  The love scene was amazing it seriously gave me butterflies in my tummy the first time I watched it.  The passion they felt for each other was obvious in the way they kissed.  I don't really think they'll be able to top it  but it would be nice if they at least tried.  I don't even care that Kaidan, Ashley and  Liara (mostly) all had the same love scene.  The beginning and ending dialogue were unique to their character and that was enough.

Yeah I know it takes time and resources, but they're the ones that started all the new romances, obviously less is more.