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It is the lengthy interaction and the little touches (like kissing Alistair when out and about) that make you feel like your character is IN a relationship. And other people acknowledging it too.... like in DA:O party banter...... An ounce of detail is worth a pound of cutscene, lol....
I did like the scene in Mass Effect though, it was quite sweet and felt intimate...... Where it didn't in ME2.
They will have it right, when you can talk to your LI and just pass the time of day with them. And the kissing, I like the kissing.... which is odd, because I am not a kissy person *shrugs*


Just throwing in my ten cents in agreement... the little touches add so much nuance to a relationship and that was certainly missing with the ME2 ones. 

ME 1 was lovely in many ways although I think most games could take a lesson from DAO for all the reasons mentioned previously (little romantic touches, conversations, kisses, gift).  One of the smexiest and most romantic scenes in DA2 (for me) was the ending scene with Fenris -- ithat brief connection conveyed a great deal of caring and intimacy and I'd love love love to have something that felt just as lovely and intimate with Kaidan in ME3.

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Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things :P


We'd either be unable to type due to being struck silent by the awesome, or begin great debate on the presense or lack of Kaidan chest hair.


hahah very true...not to mention the abs discussion...too much, too little....what lovely debates we could have ;)

@Star I agree :) Gosh I agree with a lot today...*chuckles* But that last scene was just really well done, it really hit the right buttons for me.

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Jhosephine wrote...

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Jhosephine wrote...
Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things :P


We'd either be unable to type due to being struck silent by the awesome, or begin great debate on the presense or lack of Kaidan chest hair.


hahah very true...not to mention the abs discussion...too much, too little....what lovely debates we could have ;)

@Star I agree :) Gosh I agree with a lot today...*chuckles* But that last scene was just really well done, it really hit the right buttons for me.


*grins*  Much agreement on posts for me too! 

It's a regular lovefest out here today!  And it's really nice to see. :)

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Jhosephine wrote...

Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things :P

@Jen Exactly, I love details like that :)


That would be awesome....but without the priiiiiiize


I think I just scared myself...

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Agreeing with both of you...Dragging it out in the game would drive me crazy...I just don't want them to do it early on then let it fizzle...why can't we have several intimate love scenes over the entire game.


Well, considering the costs in animating lovescenes I don't think that will happen. However, DA2 made a step in the right direction by having a lovescene and different kissing scenes...oh and a fade to black lovescene that shows nothing but appears after flirting if I recall correctly.

If we could have two, that would be great...one earlier in the game and the good ol' scene before the grand finale ;) Have to say though, if we get one ME1 style lovescene in ME3...I'll be absolutely thrilled, that one was so beautifully done. Again a big thank you to the people designing and animating that one :)
One beautiful lovescene and a few kissing scenes would work for me. Not the 'select Kiss and see the same kissing scene over and over again' but the way it's done in DA2.

Something that's perhaps cheaper resource wise and still gives the relationship intimacy is gestures; caressing a cheek during a conversation, holding hands, a hug, kiss on the cheek....actual physical contact between two lovers. But Bioware seems to work that into their games a bit more as of late...Jacob holds hands with femshep after the love confirmation right? The DA2 LI's cup cheeks....yes there's more touching going on and I would love to see more of that in ME3.
Kaidan caressing Shepards cheek while saying something sweet beats any fade to black hint at a lovescene imo :P


The fade to black stuff is such a cop out...I feel kinda cheated after we got the scene in ME1...As for costs I think it just depends on where they decide to put their money...I don't know anything about the gaming industry but I would bet it costs a whole lot more to get big name actors like Martin Sheen to do voice overs than someone that isn't as well known.

As long as it's good voice acting I don't really care if I can recognize the guys name or not. And if unknowns for voice overs (as long as I still get Sbarge) means my Shep can have more romantic cutscenes with Kaidan....bring it on. Just seems like to me they've got wiggle room to adjust their budget in certain areas...but maybe I'm wrong...like I said I don't really know the inside of the business...I'm just a rabid fan.

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MizzNaaa wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things :P

@Jen Exactly, I love details like that :)


That would be awesome....but without the priiiiiiize


I think I just scared myself...

Jacob's romance isn't bad, he suffers from two problems -

Femshep's *on heat* voice

And one......... (really.... it is only one) bad line...

He is a good guy, has morals and there is no excuse for Shep's sexual harrassment of him.... I like him, I'm not climbing over Kaidan to get to him, but I do have a Jacob romance save and it is nice :)

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MizzNaaa wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Agreeing with both of you...Dragging it out in the game would drive me crazy...I just don't want them to do it early on then let it fizzle...why can't we have several intimate love scenes over the entire game.


Well, considering the costs in animating lovescenes I don't think that will happen. However, DA2 made a step in the right direction by having a lovescene and different kissing scenes...oh and a fade to black lovescene that shows nothing but appears after flirting if I recall correctly.

If we could have two, that would be great...one earlier in the game and the good ol' scene before the grand finale ;) Have to say though, if we get one ME1 style lovescene in ME3...I'll be absolutely thrilled, that one was so beautifully done. Again a big thank you to the people designing and animating that one :)
One beautiful lovescene and a few kissing scenes would work for me. Not the 'select Kiss and see the same kissing scene over and over again' but the way it's done in DA2.

Something that's perhaps cheaper resource wise and still gives the relationship intimacy is gestures; caressing a cheek during a conversation, holding hands, a hug, kiss on the cheek....actual physical contact between two lovers. But Bioware seems to work that into their games a bit more as of late...Jacob holds hands with femshep after the love confirmation right? The DA2 LI's cup cheeks....yes there's more touching going on and I would love to see more of that in ME3.
Kaidan caressing Shepards cheek while saying something sweet beats any fade to black hint at a lovescene imo :P


I wouldn't agree with costs.  DAO had a few modders who did in their free time Improved Romance Scenes and there are several of them (several romance scenes) and it didn't cost them anything but a toolset and time.  The devs are being lazy if they can't do a few romantic scenes and say it's cost.  It's not cost.  One of the modders even created a wedding scene out of the modding tools for Alistair as king and the princess consort Cousland.  It was beautiful.  Bioware can do it if the modding community can do it.  If Bioware doesn't think they're up to it, then they should release modding tools so the community of modders can do it.  We'll do it for sure.



The romance scene (one of the modded ones) I have is very sweet for DA: O...and oh my god that wedding scene was perfect! 


I missed all the DAO mods...I was too wrapped up in discussing ME2 at the time (I think...unless I got my dates wrong). But I know modding communities can do wonders...I always use mods for Bethesda games...no other way to play in my opinion. Some mods are actually better than the game itself.

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There are plenty of games which sell well and show all kinds of skin -- both in and out of love scenes.  


And some of these companies are not as big as Bioware and do not have as much money to work with. With the speed at which they are churning out the games I'd lean toward's time restrictions rather than financial concerns. I know of a game soon to come out which shall remain nameless(I've pre-ordered) that the trailers have already shown skin in the romance scenes but the game has been being worked on for three years now...that's a lot longer than either DA2 or ME3.

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Jenova65 wrote...

It is the lengthy interaction and the little touches (like kissing Alistair when out and about) that make you feel like your character is IN a relationship. And other people acknowledging it too.... like in DA:O party banter...... An ounce of detail is worth a pound of cutscene, lol....
I did like the scene in Mass Effect though, it was quite sweet and felt intimate...... Where it didn't in ME2.
They will have it right, when you can talk to your LI and just pass the time of day with them. And the kissing, I like the kissing.... which is odd, because I am not a kissy person *shrugs*


That right there...one of the main things I didn't like in ME2 was the fact that there was so little aknowledgement of your previous relationship with Kaidan. Can't I have just a little more than a mention of Kaidan by Kelly and Joker after Horizon. Surely there is gossip on  the ship...where is Ashley when you need her.

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Jhosephine wrote...
Hmm, maybe if it was Kaidan instead of Jacob taking off his shirt like that I would type entirely different things :P


We'd either be unable to type due to being struck silent by the awesome, or begin great debate on the presense or lack of Kaidan chest hair.


hahah very true...not to mention the abs discussion...too much, too little....what lovely debates we could have ;)

@Star I agree :) Gosh I agree with a lot today...*chuckles* But that last scene was just really well done, it really hit the right buttons for me.


lol Kaidan can't have chest hair...Varric took it all.

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I relaly hope that they focus on the banter and all the various variables we've accumilated through our imports. romance scenes... they are such a small part of it IMO...Time IS money, you know, animators need to eat and they need to get payed. yes, they have been working on ME3 fro a while, but... they have so many different characters to develop, so many variables to account for - we're getting multiple endings and if I'm understanding correctly - its not just 3 presets. honestly, if it comes down to cutting out a less popular character or 2 - I'd rather get a fade to black scene and get those characters in game, then get elaborate romantic animation and have less popular squadies brushed off. and I do not doubt for a second that in the end - it may just come down to that.

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I relaly hope that they focus on the banter and all the various variables we've accumilated through our imports. romance scenes... they are such a small part of it IMO...Time IS money, you know, animators need to eat and they need to get payed. yes, they have been working on ME3 fro a while, but... they have so many different characters to develop, so many variables to account for - we're getting multiple endings and if I'm understanding correctly - its not just 3 presets. honestly, if it comes down to cutting out a less popular character or 2 - I'd rather get a fade to black scene and get those characters in game, then get elaborate romantic animation and have less popular squadies brushed off. and I do not doubt for a second that in the end - it may just come down to that.


In all honesty, I believe Bioware made a HUGE mistake introducing so many new characters in ME2 while already stating the ones from ME1 (or just the LIs) will be carried through the entire trilogy. I know catering to different tastes sells games, I know fanservices secure sales from fans but darnit you loose so much depth and imo a sense of intimacy, friendship and attachement to a character, if you have this many characters and LIs.
Every fanbase wants 'their' character to return, every fanbase of LIs want a satisfactory conclusion, every fanbase has hopes, wishes and fears about what will happen to their favourite character but we can't have it all. It will come at a cost, no doubt.

Look at what happened with Kaidan and Ashley, both could be dead, Kaidan ended up interchangeable (sp) with Ashley to a point he was even walking around in HER signature armor. That's 2 characters....just....2.
For ME3 we have an entire crew that could possibly be dead, a crew you can't just toss onto a big pile and see who can be copy and pasted over another.
Is Bioware going to spin the wheel and have all characters make a brief appearance for every seperate mission? Count the characters and you can fill a game with character specific missions. One character, one mission, one moment in the spotlight ;)

I just don't understand the need for such a big cast, well I do understand, I just don't agree :) Again less is more.
But when you hear Bioware say (it was Mac I believe) they need to find a balance between characters, it almost feels like a game of pin the donkey...or whatever it's called.

I want to say I'm hoping Bioware will stick to the story they want to tell without twisting it too much in the name of fanservice, but then I would be a hypocrit because I do want some fanservice myself for Kaidan lol. In the end they can't please everybody, they never can regardless of the different fanbases.

LOL it's funny really, here I am going...ARGH, how on earth are they going to pull this off...I get frustrated and all I have to do is glance at that now famous blurry shot from that magazine and all is well again :lol:

Edit : oohh new art, love it :)

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Jho - on one hand, I agree that they introduced possibly too many characters. but they have. and I remember how sucky it felt to have your favorite character be shuffled back and neglected, have them to be written sloppily. Now that we're stuck with all these characters, i cannot wish this experience on anyone (unless I'm really pissed off and even then, I don't really mean it) so now that we have all these squadmates? as much as I prefer Kaidan and Garrus to everyone else, I'd rather they attempt to develop everyone roughly equally instead of elaborating few characters at the cost of neglecting others.

how are they going to pull off? I'm still not sure, but if it costs use a few romance scenes? I say go for it, we can write fan fiction to fill in those gutter bits.

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jeweledleah wrote...

Jho - on one hand, I agree that they introduced possibly too many characters. but they have. and I remember how sucky it felt to have your favorite character be shuffled back and neglected, have them to be written sloppily. Now that we're stuck with all these characters, i cannot wish this experience on anyone (unless I'm really pissed off and even then, I don't really mean it) so now that we have all these squadmates? as much as I prefer Kaidan and Garrus to everyone else, I'd rather they attempt to develop everyone roughly equally instead of elaborating few characters at the cost of neglecting others.

how are they going to pull off? I'm still not sure, but if it costs use a few romance scenes? I say go for it, we can write fan fiction to fill in those gutter bits.


True, I do wish for them to treat them all equally...but in all honesty, that's only because there no telling who would get shafted otherwise...could very well be my favourite characters...so I'm rather selfish in my wishing the best for all characters :)

Equal treatment for all with loosing detail and possibly romantic depth? No. It's the fair thing to do, but that little voice in my head is just screaming NO. Oh well, again I'm selfish but I want to go out with a bang (pun intended in a way). I can't realistically wish for what I want, but the wish is there nonetheless, despite me knowing better :)
Fanfiction and fanart are lovely, but it never seems to fill that hole for me...it helps but it doesn't cut it.

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ME3 Spoiler stuff :police:





Okay just learned that by balancing characters they meant you will end up with a balanced team, not balance as in the spotlight time *chuckles* Interesting though...a balanced team means a good mix of biotics/soldiers and techheads...so..if all characters live in your playthrough, there are choices to be made I reckon? :) Which could shine a light on the whole "to an extent" thing.

:police:

Argh, exciting :) Anyway I need to get some sleep...have to say I'm really thrilled to see new info...it makes my day, or eve in this case :) And GI is going to publish their magazine or something on the net? So does that mean we get to see Kaidan in a higher res???? :wizard:

I really need to stop drawing conclusions with the little info we get, it's just all so exciting :)

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Jhosephine wrote...

ME3 Spoiler stuff :police:





Okay just learned that by balancing characters they meant you will end up with a balanced team, not balance as in the spotlight time *chuckles* Interesting though...a balanced team means a good mix of biotics/soldiers and techheads...so..if all characters live in your playthrough, there are choices to be made I reckon? :) Which could shine a light on the whole "to an extent" thing.

:police:

Argh, exciting :) Anyway I need to get some sleep...have to say I'm really thrilled to see new info...it makes my day, or eve in this case :) And GI is going to publish their magazine or something on the net? So does that mean we get to see Kaidan in a higher res???? :wizard:


Interesting...the balance thing...in DA2 wasn't that the reason Bethany died when we were mages and Carver when were rogues or warriors...so the teams could be more balanced out.

As for your comment Jho on too many character in ME2 I totally agree...for me I was even overwhelmed with the number of squad mates...but maybe that was just me...I was still fuming over Horizon...I didn't want them I wanted my old squad...hope for ME3...dreams can come true.

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meh, I don't think we can't get Game Informer over here in the UK so no staring at a lovely hi res pic of Kaidan for me yet, boo! :Posted Image Posted Image

Probably have to wait until the UK gaming mags start covering ME3 in ernest before we get a look in Posted Image

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Sakura_Leigh wrote...

meh, I don't think we can't get Game Informer over here in the UK so no staring at a lovely hi res pic of Kaidan for me yet, boo! :Posted Image Posted Image

Probably have to wait until the UK gaming mags start covering ME3 in ernest before we get a look in Posted Image


In the same boat, really want that magazine! ::mellow:

Was hoping there would be a better version of it on the internetz by now :?

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Hmm.. I know you can't post links to the article.. but if anyone is in the ME community at livejournal. There's an interesting post up right now.

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Sakura_Leigh wrote...

meh, I don't think we can't get Game Informer over here in the UK so no staring at a lovely hi res pic of Kaidan for me yet, boo! :Posted Image Posted Image

Probably have to wait until the UK gaming mags start covering ME3 in ernest before we get a look in Posted Image


Actually that one particular site where they've had the washed out scans did post up some much better looking ones.  Reading the text's still a bit hazy in parts but imagery looks amazing.

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Reverie wrote...

Hmm.. I know you can't post links to the article.. but if anyone is in the ME community at livejournal. There's an interesting post up right now.


OMG I love you so much right now! :wub:

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Does anyone else worry about how Kaidan now seems to wear heavy armor with assault rifle training and Ashley appears to wear light armor? I hope they didn't make her the biotic and him the soldier. BioWare wouldn't do that, would they?

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Does anyone else worry about how Kaidan now seems to wear heavy armor with assault rifle training and Ashley appears to wear light armor? I hope they didn't make her the biotic and him the soldier. BioWare wouldn't do that, would they?


It looks more like Ash is in a modded casual version of the Alliance uniform.  As far as Kaidan's armour goes, it looks more like they're going with the ME2 style rather than have the different types in ME1.

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Sooo... I really like his five o'clock shadow.

And the new wavy texture of his hair makes his magical hair hump a great deal more believable.

Believable to the extent where I can imagine he spends less than two hours each morning getting it just so.