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[Fiery Phoenix]

jtav wrote...

I think that article may be inaccurate. They've already connected Big Ben and James Sanders, and we know that isn't true. I'm taking this article with a huge grain of salt. Though I do think the VS is a Spectre because of the similarity of Kaidan and Vasir's armor.

The best part is, this is anything but a stretch. I always thought it was perfectly plausible for Kaidan/Ashley to become a Spectre by ME3. They've earned it.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 21 avril 2011 - 05:50 .

[Chewin]

The VS a Spectre? Well if anyone deserves it, they do, but I don't really like this idea. What, did the Council just happen to start believing on the humanity or? The ironic part is that it will be like Alistair and the Warden again. Two Spectres travelling through the galaxy rallying other races to fight the reapers.

But I like to be proven wrong when ME3 is out.

Modifié par Chewin3, 21 avril 2011 - 05:56 .

[Whyp_2]

Chewin3 wrote...

The VS a Spectre? Well if anyone deserves it, they do, but I don't really like this idea. What, did the Council just happen to start believing on the humanity or? The ironic part is that it will be like Alistair and the Warden again. Two Spectres travelling through the galaxy rallying other races to fight the reapers.

I agree with you. Especially on the 'Alistair and Warden' part:D

But this is not a bad thing. Should humanity just have one Spectre? Do they actually think Shep can do this all alone?
Take for instance, the Council. If you saved them in ME1, they are probably starting to think that there's more to this and Shepard probably is right, more or less. Or that they simply think Shepard is mad and should have a mew one.
And if they died and the council is lead by a human council, then they certainly doesn't trust Shepard and should have someone that they can trust. Though I don't why they would consider Ash as an Spectre:huh:

[syllogi]

Whyp_2 wrote...
Though I don't why they would consider Ash as an Spectre:huh:

I think either Kaidan or Ashley would have been chosen based on the events of the Battle of the Citadel, and their role in it, rather than according to their rank in the Systems Alliance military, which means nothing to the Citadel Council.  They probably look at Kaidan or Ashley as very important due to their experience with Reapers, which, even if they want to deny it, is a big problem IF they exist...and I honestly can't see them not knowing the truth, even if they don't want to alarm the public.  So it's better to have someone on your side who's dealt with that kind of threat.

[Jhourney]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think that article may be inaccurate. They've already connected Big Ben and James Sanders, and we know that isn't true. I'm taking this article with a huge grain of salt. Though I do think the VS is a Spectre because of the similarity of Kaidan and Vasir's armor.

The best part is, this is anything but a stretch. I always thought it was perfectly plausible for Kaidan/Ashley to become a Spectre by ME3. They've earned it.

It isn't a stretch but I'm not sure if I should even take it seriously. So I'm not going to unless I see it confirmed elsewhere...by Bioware if possible. 
If Kaidan is a spectre, so be it, I'm sure they can build a good story around it but again, something about that article just um...I dunno.

And yeah, we discussed the whole 'what works for Kaidan has to work for Ash too' deal before...still can't picture Ashley as a spectre but again, I'm sure Bioware will convince me otherwise.

Modifié par Jhosephine, 21 avril 2011 - 06:32 .

[syllogi]

Although this info does make me happy, we don't know the source of the image...I sincerely doubt that it's fake, but the article could be misinterpreting things. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Reverie]

It's from a PSM3 article (saw it posted at the ME community on LJ). I'm not completely sure about it though, some of the info presented in the article is more on the lines of speculation then anything else.

[TheHikariMoon]

If its true, I wonder how long VS has been a Spectre, because I vaguely remember a news report about a Spectre in ME2.

...

I love the Mass Effect Wiki.

Citadel NewsNet with Emily Wong: "After the mission
on Horizon and if the Council was saved, there is a story about the
human representative requesting an official investigation of the attack
on Horizon. However, the request is rejected by a 3-1 vote in session
with the Council maintaining that the matter is an internal Alliance
issue. Councilor Valern will mention that having a seat on the Council
implies a species can handle its own problems and assist others with
theirs. If Anderson is the human representative, he will agree but
request increased access to the Council's space tracking network. If the
Council was sacrificed, the new Council will instead deploy a fleet to
investigate the attack. If Anderson is the human Councilor, he will deny
the deployment of a Spectre to the colony."

[Fault Girl]

Would be awesome if he were, I'm not sure on that concept art though....but like other's I'll take it with a grain of salt until Bioware confirm or it's from a more reliable source...

[syllogi]

Reverie wrote...

It's from a PSM3 article (saw it posted at the ME community on LJ). I'm not completely sure about it though, some of the info presented in the article is more on the lines of speculation then anything else.

Darn it, and they just have a summary now, no scans.  I'd really like to see the whole article, just from the summary the rundown of who's returning sounds like fan speculation, rather than hard facts.  =P

[sagefic]

@ ZG - agreed. but VS back and alive and a squaddie is a huge step in the right direction, imo.

now i need to resist the urge to spoilerfy myself and hide until ME3 comes out.

[Shenzi]

I think this is the point at which I say goodbye to KAST until after ME3 is released because beyond the fact that Kaidan is in ME3 I really don’t want to know anything else story wise about the game. 
Have fun discussing our favorite biotic, will return after I've played ME3. 

[AkodoRyu]

TeenZombie wrote...

Hehe, I will hope that the 2 Spectre rule will be broken this time. At least in my game.

Have I mentioned that I *love* the idea that Kaidan will be on equal footing with Shepard in ME3? Yay!

Well, this. But not.

For me Kaidan was already mentally equal to Shepard, especially after Horizon. He didn't need flashy guns, super ranks or anything else besides his personality or resolve to impress me. Maybe biotics, yeah, because I roleplay my ME1 Shepard as biotic failure.

But a Spectre... I'll have to process this, if this is true.

[Star]

piraticalx wrote...

PEOPLE!
I found this:
shoko86.deviantart.com/journal/40012752/

You've probably all seen it, but just thought i'd point it out!
SPECTRE KAIDAN! 

Yep I've seen it and it would be cool.  Still, the face is odd - it doesn't look like Kaidan at all.

[MizzNaaa]

If it's true then YAYY!

I mean, he's smexy and he's a SPECTRE now, which is so fracking cool

I think I already said this before, but yeah, I don't care if they make the VS a Spectre, I don't think that what makes Shepard special is that she is a Spectre, it's that she is Shepard, so yeah, I approve of this

[meonlyred]

piraticalx wrote...

PEOPLE!
I found this:
shoko86.deviantart.com/journal/40012752/

You've probably all seen it, but just thought i'd point it out!
SPECTRE KAIDAN! 

Is this real? As in confirmed? For really reals? 'Cause if it so, there is a list of people I get to say "I FREAKING TOLD YA SO!!!" to now. Called it, I freaking called it!

[Chignon]

ME1 concept art didn't look too much like in-game Kaidan, too.

[jdecker]

piraticalx wrote...

PEOPLE!
I found this:
shoko86.deviantart.com/journal/40012752/

You've probably all seen it, but just thought i'd point it out!
SPECTRE KAIDAN! 

Oh Oh !! , I told the consul to stick it , lol  , I better play it again to change my answer !

[Chignon]

meonlyred wrote...

Is this real? As in confirmed? For really reals? 'Cause if it so, there is a list of people I get to say "I FREAKING TOLD YA SO!!!" to now. Called it, I freaking called it!

Not by BioWare, no. It is in the new issue of PSM3, though.

[Sorrel]

I love Kaidan, but Kaidan is to me the kind of person who needs someone to follow. When he is under leadership he is fast, responsive, and thorough. As for bringing out a leader's necessary qualities on the field alone though, I don't know. It surprised me that he made Commander, honestly. I see Kaidan as a lot less of an independent operator. That doesn't lessen who he is, but people have different strengths and roles and I think Kaidan excels as a second-in-command rather than in command proper.

[sevalaricgirl]

MisterJB wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
 But what 2 Spectres Rule are you referring to? 

Two Spectres can't be at the same place at any given time without one eventually killing the other.
Saren and Nhilus, Shepard and Saren, Shepard and Vasir.
There can be only one.

Not true.  Bioware wrote it.  There is no written rule that two spectres can't work together.  Not all are scum like Saren and Vasir.  Nhilus was a good spectre.  If it's true and they pit Kaidan against my Shepard then I'll have major issues with Bioware.  I mean it isn't like devs don't lie, but there are other game companies out there that keep the promises they make.  Bioware specifically said that if you remain faithful to Kaidan/Ash, you will be rewarded.  Having Kaidan kill Shepard is definitely not a reward.

[Jade5233]

Sorrel wrote...

I love Kaidan, but Kaidan is to me the kind of person who needs someone to follow. When he is under leadership he is fast, responsive, and thorough. As for bringing out a leader's necessary qualities on the field alone though, I don't know. It surprised me that he made Commander, honestly. I see Kaidan as a lot less of an independent operator. That doesn't lessen who he is, but people have different strengths and roles and I think Kaidan excels as a second-in-command rather than in command proper.

I would assume that after Shepard's death in ME2 and the two intervening years, Kaidan would have thrown himself into his work--hence he gained the extra rank levels quickly.
TIM stated how his files were surprisingly well classified.  That doesn't happen with a normal Commander.  And Anderson was sending him out on his own to perform solitary missions.
I can see it.  And I think you see the change in him on Horizon.  He's not going to follow Shepard around like a puppy like he did in ME1.  He stuck by his principles and walked away--even if Shepard had been the love of his life.  From the little we see of him in ME2, I liked the growth reflected there--even while hating him turning his back on my Kimbri.

[M-Sinistrari]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Not true.  Bioware wrote it.  There is no written rule that two spectres can't work together.  Not all are scum like Saren and Vasir.  Nhilus was a good spectre.  If it's true and they pit Kaidan against my Shepard then I'll have major issues with Bioware.  I mean it isn't like devs don't lie, but there are other game companies out there that keep the promises they make.  Bioware specifically said that if you remain faithful to Kaidan/Ash, you will be rewarded.  Having Kaidan kill Shepard is definitely not a reward.

Furthermore there's been nothing said at all about spectres working together not.  All we've got to go on is Shepard's rather unfortunate tendency to be around the schlemiels.  Equally I want to say I read it somewhere either on the CDN or maybe the ME wiki, but that there's no rule towards how many spectres a species can have and that there were some turian spectres working together on something.

I can see that after Shepard becomes the first human spectre that more will get appointed as they prove themselves and with what Kaidan's been through as well as Ashley, I'd say they most certainly qualify.

[MisterJB]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

leggywillow wrote...
 But what 2 Spectres Rule are you referring to? 

Two Spectres can't be at the same place at any given time without one eventually killing the other.
Saren and Nhilus, Shepard and Saren, Shepard and Vasir.
There can be only one.

Not true.  Bioware wrote it.  There is no written rule that two spectres can't work together.  Not all are scum like Saren and Vasir.  Nhilus was a good spectre.  If it's true and they pit Kaidan against my Shepard then I'll have major issues with Bioware.  I mean it isn't like devs don't lie, but there are other game companies out there that keep the promises they make.  Bioware specifically said that if you remain faithful to Kaidan/Ash, you will be rewarded.  Having Kaidan kill Shepard is definitely not a reward.

For the love of...it's a joke. Like saying that Elizabeth Swann from PotC has the "Kiss of Death" because every guy she kissed died minutes later from completely unrelated circunstances.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 avril 2011 - 09:22 .

[JaerWolfe]

Sorrel wrote...

I love Kaidan, but Kaidan is to me the kind of person who needs someone to follow. When he is under leadership he is fast, responsive, and thorough. As for bringing out a leader's necessary qualities on the field alone though, I don't know. It surprised me that he made Commander, honestly. I see Kaidan as a lot less of an independent operator. That doesn't lessen who he is, but people have different strengths and roles and I think Kaidan excels as a second-in-command rather than in command proper.

Interesting. Not a vibe I have ever picked up, however. In fact, independence...he doesn't socialize much with others...is a part of his personality. The fact he is responsive and thorough and fast...and gives orders like a good XO would...while Shepard is there is also a sign of independent thinking as well as someone who will initiate the actions of others. These are signs of a leader.
Also, while one may receive special commendations for any action, the fact that Kaidan has multiple would also indicate leadership skills rather than simply being in the right place at the right time.
As far as the Spectre status for the VS...that was hinted at strongly enough in ME2 that it's not really a surprise.