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[MizzNaaa]

Jhosephine wrote...

Jade5233 wrote...

I'm listening to the Game Informer podcast. I am so happy. They said that the characters that only made cameos in ME2 (like Kaidan, Ash, Liara) are going to be main characters/focus for ME3. YAY! *does happy dance*

*dances along with Jade* That's just...well...there ya have it...I'm at a loss for words *is so happy*

TOLD YOU!!! OUR LONG AND SLEEPLESS NIGHTS WEREN'T FOR NOTHING, THEY WERE SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOO:O:O:O:O


EDIT toP Kaidan:

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 01 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[syllogi]

jeweledleah wrote...

Jade, don't knock Jacob's romance, just get past some of the bad voice work - he actually has a lot of very lovely depth. of all the ME2 romances, its my favorite.

if you dump a character at the last moment- the picture goes back up. I don't know if it will have any bearing on ME3 and conversations, since I don't know exactly how those flags work, but at a minimum, it assumes that you haven't moved on.

lastly, and again I'm not sure if they are taking it into account or not, but I don't think it matters if your character is a renegade or a paragon, but it MIGHT matter whether you renegaded Kaidan or not. no guarantees.

I've heard this, at least recently, and it makes me sad, because Jacob got so much hate from all sides when the game first came out.  Now I'm worried that those who made the effort to get past FemShep's voice acting and the awkward beginnings won't be able to continue his romance in ME3.  It would be such a shame.

For me, I don't think I'll be able to get the Paramour achievement in ME2 until I see how Kaidan and Ashley are dealt with in ME3.  It's odd, but it's more about the principle of the thing at this point than anything else.  I don't have a problem with multiple LIs in other Bioware games, and even bounce from Zevran to Leliana to Alistair in one playthrough in DA:O, but somehow, because ME has the continuation through the trilogy, I just can't bring myself to "move on" yet.  I guess this is a good thing, in terms of how the story has affected me?  

[Jenova65]

TeenZombie wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Jade, don't knock Jacob's romance, just get past some of the bad voice work - he actually has a lot of very lovely depth. of all the ME2 romances, its my favorite.

if you dump a character at the last moment- the picture goes back up. I don't know if it will have any bearing on ME3 and conversations, since I don't know exactly how those flags work, but at a minimum, it assumes that you haven't moved on.

lastly, and again I'm not sure if they are taking it into account or not, but I don't think it matters if your character is a renegade or a paragon, but it MIGHT matter whether you renegaded Kaidan or not. no guarantees.

I've heard this, at least recently, and it makes me sad, because Jacob got so much hate from all sides when the game first came out.  Now I'm worried that those who made the effort to get past FemShep's voice acting and the awkward beginnings won't be able to continue his romance in ME3.  It would be such a shame.

For me, I don't think I'll be able to get the Paramour achievement in ME2 until I see how Kaidan and Ashley are dealt with in ME3.  It's odd, but it's more about the principle of the thing at this point than anything else.  I don't have a problem with multiple LIs in other Bioware games, and even bounce from Zevran to Leliana to Alistair in one playthrough in DA:O, but somehow, because ME has the continuation through the trilogy, I just can't bring myself to "move on" yet.  I guess this is a good thing, in terms of how the story has affected me?  

My subjective take on things.....
The only thing Jacob says that warrants any negative responses is one line.......... The hate he gets is, like the hate for Kaidan - unjustified.
Where people hated on Kaidan because he says he doesn't want to be whiner and Shepard tells him he isn't, the folk who never wanted to like him picked up on that and forever more he became in their eyes the very thing he isn't.
With Jacob the hate comes not from that one line (because let's be honest that WOULD be about as stupid a reason to hate as is humanly possible in a game) rather it comes from Shepard's behaviour - her tone of voice and her merciless ''take me now', flirting. He is being shot for the crime of another. It is a lovely romance, bettered only by Kaidan's (IMO of course) he cares, he shows that he cares and he takes time to be there for Shepard. He isn't desperately trying to fall for her... it happens against his plans. She pushes, he could have her disciplined for harrassment  Jacob is the best thing to happen to her in ME2 (as long as she is single, lol.....) 
@Teen, I hope once 3 is out you can have a playthrough and enjoy one of the romances without worry, lol 
But......... I have to ask......... how in the name of the Maker can you romance Zev and then move on? Once I am in a romance with him I can't break it. I can break the Alistair romance by making him king and having a warden who can't be queen but I can't dump a romanced Zev (not talking about just tent time, I mean the actual love story with Zev)   < winky face indicates that I am joking for anyone who read all that seriously....... 

[MizzNaaa]

ZEVRAN!!

I think the only thing that tops my love for Zev is my love for Alistair.

OMG if I could just have both of them!!

[AnimeAngel90]

Zevran, Kaidan, Alistair, Anders...give me any of those and I shall die happy. Give me all of them at once and the likelihood of dying is very high due to fangirl-squee-induced heart attacks! XD

And I must say, those pics of Kaidan up there...hoo boy *fans self* Excellent motivation for videos!

[Jenova65]

AnimeAngel90 wrote...

Zevran, Kaidan, Alistair, Anders...give me any of those and I shall die happy. Give me all of them at once and the likelihood of dying is very high due to fangirl-squee-induced heart attacks! XD

And I must say, those pics of Kaidan up there...hoo boy *fans self* Excellent motivation for videos!

I'll agree with all of that except I'll swap out Anders for Fenris  Or at least Awakenings Anders, lol.
I love them all, but Kaidan is my main squeeze, not my first squeeze but definitely my main one 

[Jenova65]

MizzNaaa wrote...

ZEVRAN!!

I think the only thing that tops my love for Zev is my love for Alistair.

OMG if I could just have both of them!!

If you play your cards right you can, lol :whistle:

[AnimeAngel90]

Yeah, you can marry Alistair but keep Zevran as your tasty tasty sidedish

Ooh yes, Fenris. I haven't successfully romanced him because I'm too in love with Anders (the crazy is only a minor problem in the relationship, I swear ) but he is definitely sexy enough to be on that list too

[Chignon]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Sneakpeakz. May differ from final version later (Update: still a WIP, sketch is being prepared for cleaning and colouring)



Ok, I have my little backstory for this, what's yours?

This is very pretty, Akodo. You did a good job with Kaidan's new armour design.

[Lovestories]

AkodoRyu wrote...

Sneakpeakz. May differ from final version later (Update: still a WIP, sketch is being prepared for cleaning and colouring)



Ok, I have my little backstory for this, what's yours?

IN LOVE with this,*sigh* why do my drawings skills fail so...I could never draw something this well done.
Can't wait for the actual reunion now. I just don't know which Shepard to play first, see my Kaidan romance or Garrus romance? This would have been so much easier if I had a Shepard who "cheated" on Kaidan for Garrus lol.

Modifié par Lovestories, 01 mai 2011 - 01:11 .

[Fault Girl]

IN LOVE with this,*sigh* why do my drawings skills fail so...I could never draw something this well done.
Can't wait for the actual reunion now. I just don't know which Shepard to play first, see my Kaidan romance or Garrus romance? This would have been so much easier if I had a Shepard who "cheated" on Kaidan for Garrus lol.

I'm in the same boat, but I'm going to play Kaidan LI first cos she's been waiting for AGES.

then I have Garrus/Thane... (my shep cheated on Kaidan both times so they will be interesting playthroughs)

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 01 mai 2011 - 01:39 .

[AnimeAngel90]

I for one am very interested to see how the whole "cheating" thing comes into ME3. It better be more than just random off-hand lines every now and then or whatever - I want detailed, ridiculously awkward, accusing conversations here damnit XD (Like Liara vs Kaidan, where her opening line is literally "well this is awkward")

And then of course, lovely sweet fluffy good times for loyal Shepards who went through an entire game of not sleeping with anybody just for Kaidan. She deserves a reward! (Considering pretty much everyone on the ship was was chasing that ass, Kaidan should be worshipping her forever for not giving in, haha)

And now I'm having waaaay too much fun with this video of Kaidan clips, even though I don't actually have that many clips with Kaidan. Too many hilarious lines to choose from Carth!

[meonlyred]

Is it weird that I am looking forward to the non-romantic Kaidan playthrough almost as much as my romantic? I really want to know how they are going to handle the LI in ME3. The game has to be stand alone enough to welcome new players to the series. I would guess that means they would have to have 'new' LIs. Basically re-romancing the old one for the first time, is my guess. If so, Kaidan and Shepard missing their chance to be together the first time but then managing to get a second change might make me more happy then love then lost then love again.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

IN LOVE with this,*sigh* why do my drawings skills fail so...I could never draw something this well done.
Can't wait for the actual reunion now. I just don't know which Shepard to play first, see my Kaidan romance or Garrus romance? This would have been so much easier if I had a Shepard who "cheated" on Kaidan for Garrus lol.

I'm in the same boat, but I'm going to play Kaidan LI first cos she's been waiting for AGES.

then I have Garrus/Thane... (my shep cheated on Kaidan both times so they will be interesting playthroughs)

I still don't know what I'm going to do first, Kaidan or Garrus. I'm going to play it by ear.

I'm also still trying to figure out whether I need a Kaidan "faithful" playthrough or not. I have one that I can finish quickly if I need it (it's easy to let Garrus down easy even late in the game, I did it by accident once). It will depend on some things I won't know until I've beaten ME3 at least once; namely, how hurt is Kaidan if I hooked up with someone in the meantime, and does Garrus seem better off if he's loved and lost rather than just never romanced at all?  I feel crazy for thinking about it that way, but I want to make the happiest endings I can for these people. I tend to be a "better to have loved and lost" kind of girl, but I don't want to force my choices on everyone else.

That brings up another interesting question, and one I'm considering as I make new characters: is it better to not romance Kaidan in ME1 if you know you're going to go for someone else in ME2? We won't know the full repurcussions until ME3, but I'm still trying to puzzle it out. I don't feel bad romancing Liara and then picking someone else up, it seems like her culture is more accepting of that kind of thing, but Kaidan... I can't tell if he's better off having opened up or staying shut down.

On the Jacob topic, the reason I never did his romance is actually his "I don't have any new dialogue right now." line about pushing these talks. To me, he sounds like he's slightly uncomfortable with Shepard's flirting, which made me not want to flirt with him... not out of dislike for him, but because I didn't want to be that annoying person who hits on you when you're not in the mood. I know he comes around eventually, but I couldn't get over that line.

[Chignon]

Well, BioWare did say something about "dire" consequences of cheating. Choosing wouldn't really be much of a dire consequence, now would it?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Yeah, but you can never tell how serious they're being... or how it ended up manifesting after going through development.

We already know that Liara is the non-jealous one, but you could still take her romance back up even if you went with someone else. I'm sure the faithful will get an extra special bonus of some sort, but I can't imagine it being too apocalyptic, as the recent vid about plot make it pretty clear it was meant to be tempting. Then again, I've always felt like the cheating label was a little inaccurate, so I could just be taking it all too lightly.

[Saber Wolf]

I hope BW is not over reacting this with "cheating" your LI. I mean when it comes to the VS, it's been 2 years, so Shepard has probably moved on. And as it came up here, Liara is not the jelous type.

[Chignon]

I'm just stating what BioWare said on the matter. We'll see how truth is in that statement. Also, apocalyptic =/= dire.

[meonlyred]

The question is do they mean dire to the overall plot? Or dire to the romantic plot? I don't see Kaidan doing something as bad as, say letting someone die or get hurt. But I could see some kind of confrontation between the three and Kaidan not speaking to Shepard again.

[Lovestories]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I'm also still trying to figure out whether I need a Kaidan "faithful" playthrough or not. I have one that I can finish quickly if I need it (it's easy to let Garrus down easy even late in the game, I did it by accident once). It will depend on some things I won't know until I've beaten ME3 at least once; namely, how hurt is Kaidan if I hooked up with someone in the meantime, and does Garrus seem better off if he's loved and lost rather than just never romanced at all?  I feel crazy for thinking about it that way, but I want to make the happiest endings I can for these people. I tend to be a "better to have loved and lost" kind of girl, but I don't want to force my choices on everyone else.

I feel like that too, I don't feel bad about "cheating" on Kaidan but I will feel bad about choosing Kaidan over Garrus if that comes up in ME3. As it is now I have a female who romanced Garrus and is Kaidan's friend, and a "faithful" Femshep. I'm going to bring one more femshep through from mass effect 1 to cheat on Kaidan and romance Thane (or maybe I'll use that to see what happens with Garrus/Kaidan. I want to see the "faithful" reunion as well as the "cheaters" reunion.

I can't imagine they (Bioware) will make a big deal out of any "punishment", I also can't imagine what the reward will be either. =S Right now I expect bickering over any "cheating", can't imagine they'd go as far as to not allow you to continue the romance.

Edit: The only thing I can imagine the VS being angry about is the fact that you moved on so quickly and feeling hurt that it meant more to them because they were in love with you.

And a reward, but what can they do? And well will Kaidan or Ashley really be quick to jump back into the fire with Shepard and open up their feelings for them again, when they may lose Shepard all of over again? I wonder how quickly the relationship will begin again.

Modifié par Lovestories, 01 mai 2011 - 03:29 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's interesting to see what various people think Kaidan's in-character reaction to finding out about a possible love triangle would be. A lot of people here seems to think he'll be angry, but I think he's more likely to be withdrawn, blaming himself for what happened after Horizon. Now, if you try to advance both romances in ME3 I think he might get really upset during the final confrontation, but I don't think most people will let things get that far.

I think the "reward" for faithfulness will probably be a more romantic and less strained reunion, avoiding awkwardness with whoever the rejected party is, and probably less hesitation on the VS's part if you try to restart the romance again. Maybe even a proper apology, something along the lines of "I never should have doubted you."

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 01 mai 2011 - 03:33 .

[Lovestories]

I don't think he'll be full on angry, I think he will be upset because he was hopeful about starting the romance again, and as I wrote earlier upset because you moved on so quickly. I don't think he will blame himself though.

But imagine the fustration, you're in love with someone, your relationship ends because of their death, you go through the pain of loss and then suddenly they're back your feelings are reawakened but you can do nothing about it because they have chosen someone else, before you even had a chance to rekindle anything and then you have to watch what was supposed to be your romance play out but with someone else in your place.

I can imagine him being hurt and not willing to talk about it if you think about all that.
I don't expect to see Kaidan or Ashley in any strong emotional fits, should there be a show down. And I don't want them to "fight" over Shepard, atleast not much.

Modifié par Lovestories, 01 mai 2011 - 03:41 .

[jeweledleah]

I don't think Kaidan would be angry, though I wish people would stop saying that its been 2 years. for Shepard? Its been weeks, so yes Shepard moved on rather quickly. He would be sad, he might withdraw to the point of not even being able to have friendship path with him. actually - he might be angry...at himself, for messing up his chances. but even if that anger flashes, he'd squash it.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Yeah, when I said that Kaidan would blame himself, I meant he'd consider himself partially to blame for Horizon, and for not making his intentions or support clearer in that email. I've been having some new thoughts on the Horizon situation again, and I'm going to write something up about it soonish... but I'm working on a real "work" project right now, so I don't have the time for anything deeper than silly forum stuff, and that Horizon article requires some research.

Here's another thing I noticed recently, which influences how I see the "cannon" of Shepard and Kaidan's relationship: in his conversations and email, he only mentions that one night, before Ilos. I'm starting to get the impression that, after that, things just went back to flirting and shared glances and maybe a few "accidental" moments of closeness. They had a month together after Ilos, and if he's only asking about that one night... it implies to me that he maybe didn't follow up, slipped back into his noncommittal mode. During that night they were bloody mutineers, and the regs were out the window. After that, back on official duty, I can see him thinking he had time, waiting until they were completely off-duty again to make a real move.

This influences my feelings about the whole thing a bit. Sure I hate the idea of hurting Kaidan, but I don't feel like we were exactly picking out curtains before I died, anyway. If all we had was flirting and then one night and then back to flirting... I feel less like I "moved on" from a serious relationship, and more that I gave up on something that had the potential to be serious, the potential to be great, but never really achieved its full potential.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 01 mai 2011 - 04:06 .