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#6176
Jenova65

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Very slightly off topic and gossipy (but not really because it was a Kaidan pic that did it) Louvette (who is one of THE most epic deviantartists EVER) Saw Geirahod's Kaidan pic and says she is going to watch her.................
Hope you are around and see this Geira.. She said ''Oh wow her work is fantastic! I'm going to watch her :D''
How cool is that? :)
Eep, didn't even know I was top of the page, d'oh........ give me a sec *riffles around the web*
Image IPB
A bit of Jho for top of the page (and still one of my fave Kaidan's)

Modifié par Jenova65, 08 mai 2011 - 12:23 .


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nranola wrote...

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I've been meaning to ask for ages: has anyone seen a dialogue tree for Horizon online?


Ask and you shall receive:

(snip gold dust)


Whee! Thank you very very much!

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Oh dear, it's been a while for me hasn't it? To make up for that, here's this:
http://media1.gamein...s/me35.5610.jpg

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Can't stop staring at the new screenshot, Kaidan looks so damn fine..

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I've got that new pic as my wallpaper, when I saw it on Chris P's post I was straight there ;)

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Made it my wallpaper also, even though I had to move all my icons around so no faces were blocked! <3

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Quaay wrote...

Made it my wallpaper also, even though I had to move all my icons around so no faces were blocked! <3

Ditto.......................... :D

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Here this is a bigger version than the one you guys posted, it's my wallpaper now <3!

Kaidan/Shepard/Liara bigger resolution wallpaper

Modifié par MizzNaaa, 09 mai 2011 - 12:29 .


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Jenova65 wrote...

Quaay wrote...

Made it my wallpaper also, even though I had to move all my icons around so no faces were blocked! <3

Ditto.......................... :D


I just made it my wallpaper as well.  Now, if only I was talented enough to photoshop my shepard into the picture.  It  would be perfect.

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I downloaded the pic from BioWare's site because it is lovely size and resolution for my laptop.. :)

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MizzNaaa wrote...

Here this is a bigger version than the one you guys posted, it's my wallpaper now <3!

Kaidan/Shepard/Liara bigger resolution wallpaper


Awesome, thanks!



Is it 2012 yet? :?

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meonlyred wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

Here this is a bigger version than the one you guys posted, it's my wallpaper now <3!

Kaidan/Shepard/Liara bigger resolution wallpaper


Awesome, thanks!



Is it 2012 yet? :?

Sadly, no:crying:

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I cant wait for 2011 to be over so I can have ME3 and my shepard can reunite with Kaidan...

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Well, high-res pic was released via frogger on Twitter on the first day. I wonder if someone else besides me and Sage made their versions of it.
Yeah, I miss the old team, and if the rumors are true and biotic abilities will be slightly better than in ME2, they won't be leaving my side much (if possible).

First and foremost I miss Kaidan as a squaddie. Yeah, from Shepard's perspective Shepard misses what was before Alchera, but, do you remember? Kaidan? That guy who had comments about Joker's snarky attitude towards Nhilus? Had great convos with Ashley? Had the balls to tell you what he thinks about your not-very-paragon decisions? I can't tell you how I missed that kind of angel on my shoulder in ME2.

Or the devil.

Decision about paragonizing Ash or renegading Kaidan may not be important to ME2, as there's no flag for it, but who knows, maybe it's still there (like little Jacob's flag in "Family Matters" quest). What I was speculating earlier about Kaidan being more rough, could be more "renegadish", but I've never think what if it's still the same Kaidan we know? Would that be possible after what he had to endure?

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 09 mai 2011 - 07:27 .


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AkodoRyu wrote...

Well, high-res pic was released via frogger on Twitter on the first day. I wonder if someone else besides me and Sage made their versions of it.
Yeah, I miss the old team, and if the rumors are true and biotic abilities will be slightly better than in ME2, they won't be leaving my side much (if possible).

First and foremost I miss Kaidan as a squaddie. Yeah, from Shepard's perspective Shepard misses what was before Alchera, but, do you remember? Kaidan? That guy who had comments about Joker's snarky attitude towards Nhilus? Had great convos with Ashley? Had the balls to tell you what he thinks about your not-very-paragon decisions? I can't tell you how I missed that kind of angel on my shoulder in ME2.

Or the devil.

Decision about paragonizing Ash or renegading Kaidan nay not be important to ME2, as there's no flag for it, but who knows, maybe it's still there (like little Jacob's flag in "Family Matters" quest). What I was speculating earlier about Kaidan being more rough, could be more "renegadish", but I've never think what if it's still the same Kaidan we know? Would that be possible after what he had to endure?


I love both of the Femshep versions of that wallpaper. They give lie to the "Femshep textures are too low to look good in screenshots" argument, too. Gorgeous.

I decided a few weeks ago to look at ME2 from a different perspective: what if Horizon is evidence of Kaidan's character development in Shepard's absence, rather than a mischaracterization of him?

If that's the case, I think we may see is an stronger Kaidan, but also one who is more closed-off, even more risk-averse regarding his emotions. He talked up being careful in ME1, but he fell for Shepard hard and fast. In ME2, given the chance to accept that Shepard was back and open himself up again, he chose, rationally, to not risk it. He always played it safe before with relationships, and now he's playing it even safer. I'd also imagine he's learned better to suppress his emotions, and push right through the pain - after Jump Zero, he was paralyzed. After Shepard's death, he went into overdrive, doing everything he could to ensure Shepard's death wasn't in vain, trying to reach a position where he had a chance of having a voice, where he might be able to warn everyone about the Reapers.

I'm sure that the faithful will have a chance to soften him again, but I think that those who weren't faithful may have to deal with the new, more closed-off, less emotionally available Kaidan.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 09 mai 2011 - 07:22 .


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After numerous playthroughs of Horizon, (although at first I was like wtf) I now kinda like the fact that Kaidan sticks up for himself/his principles.

People seem to think just because you love someone you must agree and be a pushover. That's hardly the case ever. With previous boyfriends they have done many thing's that I disagreed with and vice versa.

Again on Horizon I think it shows that Kaidan has grown and doesn't need Shepard to fight/ be strong against something even if it's against her.

But then I am a Alliance supporter and loved the fact he stuck his ground, the only issue with Horizon is the dialogue choices. None was to my favour or choice of situation.

Hopefully that wont be the case for the reunion.

Bloomy heck, I'm very awake this morning.

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My original reason for being upset at Horizon was simple: if my original Jane saw Kaidan die, and then suddenly it seemed that he was alive again, she would be cautiously optimistic, and trust but verify. In other words... she'd say "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me." When Kaidan didn't do that, she wasn't upset that he disagreed with her... rather she was upset that he didn't trust that she was still a good person, and give her a chance to prove it. The letter later does a bit better job of that, but it's still a little touch-and-go.

That said, my Femshep hasn't had any need to develop that kind of defense mechanism. Kaidan was almost crippled the first time something like that happened to him, and then the next time he really opens himself up, he gets hurt even worse, only he doesn't have the luxury of paralysis. So for him, caution is understandable, even wise.

People classify those who are angry at Kaidan as wanting a yes man, and from what I've seen that's normally not true. It's more that they want a "maybe" man, and someone who errs a tiny bit more on the side of trusting you. If you're foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie Kaidan, why can't he be foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie you?

The thing is, I've finally realized that expecting Kaidan to be that guy isn't reasonable, considering what he's gone through, and his known coping mechanisms.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 09 mai 2011 - 07:45 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me."



If only they did that vice versa in the dialogue I bet many VS fan's wouldnt have been so angry.

I love reading your post's. You can sum up stuff so perfectly. Words are not my forte sadly.

:wizard:

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me."



If only they did that vice versa in the dialogue I bet many VS fan's wouldnt have been so angry.

I love reading your post's. You can sum up stuff so perfectly. Words are not my forte sadly.

:wizard:


Don't be so hard on yourself, my undead professional Japanese woman friend. Your posts are fun reads as well.

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JeffZero wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me."



If only they did that vice versa in the dialogue I bet many VS fan's wouldnt have been so angry.

I love reading your post's. You can sum up stuff so perfectly. Words are not my forte sadly.

:wizard:


Don't be so hard on yourself, my undead professional Japanese woman friend. Your posts are fun reads as well.


Thank you very much :lol:

I'm just concious due to my dyslexia, writing that previous paragraph felt like an essay. *wipes brow*. Thank goodness for spell check.:devil:

Or maybe it's cos Im a zombie and I only have 3 fingers left. I'm surprised I can still play xbox. :o

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 09 mai 2011 - 08:04 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

People classify those who are angry at Kaidan as wanting a yes man, and from what I've seen that's normally not true. It's more that they want a "maybe" man, and someone who errs a tiny bit more on the side of trusting you. If you're foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie Kaidan, why can't he be foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie you?

The thing is, I've finally realized that expecting Kaidan to be that guy isn't reasonable, considering what he's gone through, and his known coping mechanisms.


some actualy do expect the yes man, but that's neither here nor there :P

I relaly do enjoy your analysis, a peak into Kaidan's soul.  it makes a lot of sence and it would be pretty great if dealing with hardened, closed off Kaidan was the result of moving on.  that way - no silly drama, but still tangible consequences.

I wish he could have replied ala Tali on Freedom's progress.  I wish Shepard had better lines and less derpy explanations.  I still suspect that a big part of why they wrote Horizon the way they did, was becasue they wanted to give more people a reason to try out those new and compelling romantic interests /tinfoil hat

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

 "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me."



If only they did that vice versa in the dialogue I bet many VS fan's wouldnt have been so angry.

I love reading your post's. You can sum up stuff so perfectly. Words are not my forte sadly.

:wizard:


Don't be so hard on yourself, my undead professional Japanese woman friend. Your posts are fun reads as well.


Thank you very much :lol:

I'm just concious due to my dyslexia, writing that previous paragraph felt like an essay. *wipes brow*. Thank goodness for spell check.:devil:

Or maybe it's cos Im a zombie and I only have 3 fingers left. I'm surprised I can still play xbox. :o


Well regardless of the reasoning, do keep posting on the boards but don't work yourself to death over it. Unless you really are a zombie, in which case I suppose it's irrelevant so do whatever floats your undead boat! XD

Oh, and @leonia: Your tinfoil hat and mine. I've always suspected similarly.

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@ZombieGeisha

Don't worry too much about your typing. I'm a professional writer and I still type like crud on these forums all the time. Argh stupid firefox spellcheck not working in this particular text entry field! /shakesfistatsky It's the effort that counts!

jeweledleah wrote...
I still suspect that a big part of why they wrote Horizon the way they
did, was becasue they wanted to give more people a reason to try out
those new and compelling romantic interests /tinfoil hat


Can't it be both? 

Honestly, that's what it comes down to a lot of the time. Someone says "Ok, can we come up with a good, in-character reason to let people feel like they're not being a huge jerk if they move on from their old romance?" And from that question comes legitimate character development.

I was writing some stuff about the various ME1 characters' reactions to seeing Shepard alive.It really is totally insane to suddenly decide to trust a zombie terrorist version of your dead ex, or your dead friend even. Kaidan is crazy for you, but not that crazy.

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

@ZombieGeisha

Don't worry too much about your typing. I'm a professional writer and I still type like crud on these forums all the time. Argh stupid firefox spellcheck not working in this particular text entry field! /shakesfistatsky It's the effort that counts!

jeweledleah wrote...
I still suspect that a big part of why they wrote Horizon the way they
did, was becasue they wanted to give more people a reason to try out
those new and compelling romantic interests /tinfoil hat


Can't it be both? 

Honestly, that's what it comes down to a lot of the time. Someone says "Ok, can we come up with a good, in-character reason to let people feel like they're not being a huge jerk if they move on from their old romance?" And from that question comes legitimate character development.

I was writing some stuff about the various ME1 characters' reactions to seeing Shepard alive.It really is totally insane to suddenly decide to trust a zombie terrorist version of your dead ex, or your dead friend even. Kaidan is crazy for you, but not that crazy.


oh, it certainly can be both... I'm extremely curious to find out just how far they take in in ME3. 

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

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I was writing some stuff about the various ME1 characters' reactions to seeing Shepard alive.It really is totally insane to suddenly decide to trust a zombie terrorist version of your dead ex, or your dead friend even. Kaidan is crazy for you, but not that crazy.


Agreed.  That would be silly.  I mean, what if it had gone this way:

Shep:
"Hi honey, I'm back from the dead!"

Kaidan:
"What wonderful news!  Let's go make out!"

I totally would not have respected Kaidan if he had that reaction.  I didn't much care for the dialogue on Horizon (mostly because I thought Shepard's reactions were not quite right), but Kaidan's reaction I think is totally legit.  I mean, seriously, people do not come back from the dead, right?

If I saw someone I had loved that had died (but they never found the body) standing in front of me, I would not think "miracle".  I would think "betrayal" or "mean, dirty trick."  It's worth noting that two years is considered about the normal human grief cycle for losing someone (the acute part, anyways), so assuming that Kaidan was on schedule he had probably just started to feel the wound was healing over, and here's either someone toying with his grief, or proof that the grief was never necessary.

I would have liked the option to reply to his email, but I'm rather glad he didn't just jump onto the ship.  Honestly, it's very strange that Tali and Garrus didn't ask more questions.

Incidentally, after the Arrival DLC and hearing how ME3 starts, I would not expect a warm reaction from him at the beginning of ME3 either.  After all, if he's back in your arms right away it won't be nearly such a fun story, right?