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ZombieGeisha wrote...

After numerous playthroughs of Horizon, (although at first I was like wtf) I now kinda like the fact that Kaidan sticks up for himself/his principles.

People seem to think just because you love someone you must agree and be a pushover. That's hardly the case ever. With previous boyfriends they have done many thing's that I disagreed with and vice versa.

Again on Horizon I think it shows that Kaidan has grown and doesn't need Shepard to fight/ be strong against something even if it's against her.

But then I am a Alliance supporter and loved the fact he stuck his ground, the only issue with Horizon is the dialogue choices. None was to my favour or choice of situation.

Hopefully that wont be the case for the reunion.

Bloomy heck, I'm very awake this morning.


Hindsight and perspective are wonderful things....... :D

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My original reason for being upset at Horizon was simple: if my original Jane saw Kaidan die, and then suddenly it seemed that he was alive again, she would be cautiously optimistic, and trust but verify. In other words... she'd say "Ok, I'm going to believe you for now. I can't join you, but I'm going to look into all this. When you can get away from Cerberus, come find me." When Kaidan didn't do that, she wasn't upset that he disagreed with her... rather she was upset that he didn't trust that she was still a good person, and give her a chance to prove it. The letter later does a bit better job of that, but it's still a little touch-and-go.

That said, my Femshep hasn't had any need to develop that kind of defense mechanism. Kaidan was almost crippled the first time something like that happened to him, and then the next time he really opens himself up, he gets hurt even worse, only he doesn't have the luxury of paralysis. So for him, caution is understandable, even wise.

People classify those who are angry at Kaidan as wanting a yes man, and from what I've seen that's normally not true. It's more that they want a "maybe" man, and someone who errs a tiny bit more on the side of trusting you. If you're foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie Kaidan, why can't he be foolishly in love enough to trust a zombie you?

The thing is, I've finally realized that expecting Kaidan to be that guy isn't reasonable, considering what he's gone through, and his known coping mechanisms.

Same goes here, hindsight and perspective, but add to that..... >

We have more knowledge than Shepard OR Kaidan... we cannot help but metagame and it is easy to judge Kaidan and Ashley with all the info we have.

But it seems they were right, no? Based on new info being released.. Like Cerberus being out to get us.. 

I mean Kaidan states that he thought he knew her, he is having a kneejerk reaction to seeing her standing there alive after knowing she died AND had ordered him onto a shuttle, p*ssed? Too right...... The email is proof that it was a kneejerk reaction........... You can almost see him arguing with himself in it. This is someone who truly loves Shepard but has enough integrity to question and is honourable enough to say no to something that he knows is wrong! :) 

Horizon was handled badly by BioWare, however maybe they meant to do it, to test the gamer. It seems to me on the various forums on BSN how the same game can bring out so many different reactions in folk (Anders is a perfect example of this) and I think it is a very interesting thing probably, from a psychology perspective, you know? What pushes people's buttons, what people will, or won't justify and so on. The list is endless really :)
Top of the page always surprises me, lol....
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ADLegend21 wrote...

I just got Kaidan's email after Horizon for my femshep (who romances Ashley in her canon PT) and it's adorable. She'll be staying faithful in this no relationship drama PT.


I'm doing a replay of ME2 right now and went back over the email several times and realize just how emotional I was the first time I played. The email is already an apology for Horizon...in fact he starts off by saying he was sorry. And even says he doesn't think he could bear to lose Shep again...even if he says "maybe" later on I think in his mind he still sees them as a couple. Kinda made this playthrough a little more pleasant...at least so far. Still can't get him out of my head when I'm playing though...I guess it could be because I had just played ME1 before I loaded up the new save for ME2 and he was still fresh in my mind.

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

After numerous playthroughs of Horizon, (although at first I was like wtf) I now kinda like the fact that Kaidan sticks up for himself/his principles.

People seem to think just because you love someone you must agree and be a pushover. That's hardly the case ever. With previous boyfriends they have done many thing's that I disagreed with and vice versa.

Again on Horizon I think it shows that Kaidan has grown and doesn't need Shepard to fight/ be strong against something even if it's against her.

This is exactly what I love about how the romance was handled. Kaidan may love Shepard, but he's no pushover. He's capable of voicing out his own opinions and he isn't afraid to own up to them. To quote what he says en-route to Ilos, "I wouldn't be here if I didn't think you were doing the right thing." His reaction on Horizon was very in line with his character, if you ask me, and it only made me respect him as a character even more.

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After Shepard's death, he went into overdrive, doing everything he could to ensure Shepard's death wasn't in vain, trying to reach a position where he had a chance of having a voice, where he might be able to warn everyone about the Reapers.

Lovely insight! Shepard's death probably did Kaidan the same amount of good as it did the hurt. Seeing him rise up in the ranks, pushing himself the way he does, and knowing just how high up he climbs by the time ME3 rolls in... I'm so proud of him. So proud.

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DeadLetterBox wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

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I was writing some stuff about the various ME1 characters' reactions to seeing Shepard alive.It really is totally insane to suddenly decide to trust a zombie terrorist version of your dead ex, or your dead friend even. Kaidan is crazy for you, but not that crazy.


Agreed.  That would be silly.  I mean, what if it had gone this way:

Shep:
"Hi honey, I'm back from the dead!"

Kaidan:
"What wonderful news!  Let's go make out!"

I totally would not have respected Kaidan if he had that reaction.  I didn't much care for the dialogue on Horizon (mostly because I thought Shepard's reactions were not quite right), but Kaidan's reaction I think is totally legit.  I mean, seriously, people do not come back from the dead, right?

If I saw someone I had loved that had died (but they never found the body) standing in front of me, I would not think "miracle".  I would think "betrayal" or "mean, dirty trick."  It's worth noting that two years is considered about the normal human grief cycle for losing someone (the acute part, anyways), so assuming that Kaidan was on schedule he had probably just started to feel the wound was healing over, and here's either someone toying with his grief, or proof that the grief was never necessary.

I would have liked the option to reply to his email, but I'm rather glad he didn't just jump onto the ship.  Honestly, it's very strange that Tali and Garrus didn't ask more questions.

Incidentally, after the Arrival DLC and hearing how ME3 starts, I would not expect a warm reaction from him at the beginning of ME3 either.  After all, if he's back in your arms right away it won't be nearly such a fun story, right?


I thought Kaidan's dialogue was in character...it was what I would have expected of him...actually his viewpoint on the whole situation is what I would have expected of Shepard. But then there was a lot of behavior out of Shepard I didn't expect if you didn't play it extremely close to the vest.

From the LI perspective I've always thought of him as Shepard's rock...her stability...the shoulder she leans upon. Like Chawkas saying that maybe Shepard was her stability...everyone is always looking to Shepard for support...who does Shepard have...Kaidan...even looking at the picture before the final mission seems to scream to me that even without him physically being there just the thought of him is keeping her from falling apart under all the pressure. Just the way I'm seeing it for my own playthoughs.

I've wondered about the fact that no one but Joker and Kelly say anything about the relationship...well TIM implies it and I guess if Garrus was there he would hear Kaidan say that he loved her. I'm thinking not many people knew about them and that maybe that's the reason the dialogue was so little. I don't see Kaidan blurting out to the universe that he and Shep were a couple after her death ..which would have probably made it harder on his getting past it I would think. I mean I'm sure they probably counsel military personal on tragic deaths or something but I would think they would handle the death of a shipmate different than someone who is personally invoved with someone. Kaidan probably went it alone and no one really knew what he was going through. Personally I just the last two years as being harder on him than Horizon would have been on Shep. Sort of like Kasumi...maybe he didn't really get past the pain at all but just put on a brave face like he did with Rhana and pretended that it didn't affect him.

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A bit of Jho for top of the page (and still one of my fave Kaidan's)


Can't believe I missed one of Jho's pics. That expression is sexy...drool alert.:wub:

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MizzNaaa wrote...

Here this is a bigger version than the one you guys posted, it's my wallpaper now <3!

Kaidan/Shepard/Liara bigger resolution wallpaper


Woha....... That's Kaidan? Really     Posted Image      I thought that it was the new military guy. Well, if it is Kaidan I hope that he and my faithful shep can get meet up sometime inbetween saving the world and all the other stuff that you have to do. He looks great!

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SilentK wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

Here this is a bigger version than the one you guys posted, it's my wallpaper now <3!

Kaidan/Shepard/Liara bigger resolution wallpaper


Woha....... That's Kaidan? Really     Posted Image      I thought that it was the new military guy. Well, if it is Kaidan I hope that he and my faithful shep can get meet up sometime inbetween saving the world and all the other stuff that you have to do. He looks great!


Wait...you don't know that Kaidan's been confirmed as a fulltime squaddie?

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MICHELLE7 wrote...
Can't believe I missed one of Jho's pics. That expression is sexy...drool alert.:wub:


*chuckles* It's okay Michelle, that pic is just a year old ;) All kidding aside, glad you like it :)

Okay I'm sorta looping Fenris's themesong and it made me wonder...think we'll get a Kaidan themesong in ME3? :)

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MizzNaaa wrote...

Wait...you don't know that Kaidan's been confirmed as a fulltime squaddie?


I knew that he was a squaddie     Posted Image     just didn't know that it was him in that pic. Great news because he looks really really good.

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SilentK wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

Wait...you don't know that Kaidan's been confirmed as a fulltime squaddie?


I knew that he was a squaddie     Posted Image     just didn't know that it was him in that pic. Great news because he looks really really really really really really really really really really really good 


Fix'd for you :wub:

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Pics of ME3 Kaidan convinced me to finally play a FemShep. Now I just finished the Horizon mission after playing through ME, and I am officially a Kaidan fan.

Better late than never though, right?

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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

AkodoRyu wrote...

Well, high-res pic was released via frogger on Twitter on the first day. I wonder if someone else besides me and Sage made their versions of it.
Yeah, I miss the old team, and if the rumors are true and biotic abilities will be slightly better than in ME2, they won't be leaving my side much (if possible).

First and foremost I miss Kaidan as a squaddie. Yeah, from Shepard's perspective Shepard misses what was before Alchera, but, do you remember? Kaidan? That guy who had comments about Joker's snarky attitude towards Nhilus? Had great convos with Ashley? Had the balls to tell you what he thinks about your not-very-paragon decisions? I can't tell you how I missed that kind of angel on my shoulder in ME2.

Or the devil.

Decision about paragonizing Ash or renegading Kaidan nay not be important to ME2, as there's no flag for it, but who knows, maybe it's still there (like little Jacob's flag in "Family Matters" quest). What I was speculating earlier about Kaidan being more rough, could be more "renegadish", but I've never think what if it's still the same Kaidan we know? Would that be possible after what he had to endure?


I love both of the Femshep versions of that wallpaper. They give lie to the "Femshep textures are too low to look good in screenshots" argument, too. Gorgeous.

I decided a few weeks ago to look at ME2 from a different perspective: what if Horizon is evidence of Kaidan's character development in Shepard's absence, rather than a mischaracterization of him?

If that's the case, I think we may see is an stronger Kaidan, but also one who is more closed-off, even more risk-averse regarding his emotions. He talked up being careful in ME1, but he fell for Shepard hard and fast. In ME2, given the chance to accept that Shepard was back and open himself up again, he chose, rationally, to not risk it. He always played it safe before with relationships, and now he's playing it even safer. I'd also imagine he's learned better to suppress his emotions, and push right through the pain - after Jump Zero, he was paralyzed. After Shepard's death, he went into overdrive, doing everything he could to ensure Shepard's death wasn't in vain, trying to reach a position where he had a chance of having a voice, where he might be able to warn everyone about the Reapers.

I'm sure that the faithful will have a chance to soften him again, but I think that those who weren't faithful may have to deal with the new, more closed-off, less emotionally available Kaidan.


Very much these posts. I still to this day laugh out loud at the back and forth between Joker and Kaidan at the beginning of ME1 even though I have probably seen it (no joke) 30 times. Kaidan is Shepard's ground, to remind her to be a good girl and to always RTFM. :lol:

We might see more of a merger of the non-renegade/renegade Kaidan in ME3. Where is he a little more distrusting of aliens and people in general for the Reaper cover ups, among other things. I can see it taking a lot of work for Shepard to break his shell again or for Kaidan to trust himself to be with her again. He was hurt bad with her, first by her death then her sudden resurrection. She stomps her military issued combat boots all over his careful 'leave a way out' nature.

About adding my Shepard to the high-res picture, I want to so bad but I doubt my photoshop skills are up to the challenge. Maybe I could draw it. I'm in a state of unemployment right now. <_<

And about the post-Horizon letter. I can't express how happy I was the first time I got that letter. My jaw hit the floor and I re-read it like 3 times to make sure I was seeing this right. I was so depressed after the Horizon scene and to have that just made my day. (Would have liked it better if it was video, but beggars can't be choosers) It was endearing, I could almost hear him rambling, like he wasn't thinking about what he was writting just pouring his heart out.

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Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...
Can't believe I missed one of Jho's pics. That expression is sexy...drool alert.:wub:


*chuckles* It's okay Michelle, that pic is just a year old ;) All kidding aside, glad you like it :)

Okay I'm sorta looping Fenris's themesong and it made me wonder...think we'll get a Kaidan themesong in ME3? :)


Maybe you'll have enough new material soon to do some more...although I love the fact they came out with the shot of Kaidan with maleShep and Liara. I kinda would have loved to see some of him in action like the one they had of Liara and maleShep. I know...I know...I should be thankful for what we did get but I get a little rabid sometimes. Oh and a theme song would be great...for some reason I  associate the music on Illos when they talked to Virgil with Kaidan...have no idea why.

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Ellythe wrote...

Pics of ME3 Kaidan convinced me to finally play a FemShep. Now I just finished the Horizon mission after playing through ME, and I am officially a Kaidan fan.

Better late than never though, right?


Definitely...glad you gave him a second chance...he is hot in that pic...Bioware may actually get some people that never played ME to go buy it now just to have him as a LI. lol...I think I need to go back to my playthrough now...I may not be able to get him off  my mind now as it is.

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Thanks to this video, Kaidan's song is Hell is for Heroes - To Die For, for me at least.

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I absolutely love the idea of Kaidan having his own theme song. It would most likely be his and Ashley's but it really would be amazing.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what he's been up to for the last few years, besides becoming a spectre. I can't wait for 2012 to talk to him again, in the meantime I'm driving myself crazy thinking about all the possiblities.

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I agree with everyone's sentiment that Kaidan being harsh on Horizon was decent character development. Yeah, it kind of sucked, but dammit, he stood by what he believed in.

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meonlyred wrote...

(Would have liked it better if it was video, but beggars can't be choosers)

I was thinking the same thing! It would've been better for him to have sent Shepard vidmail instead, kind of like Hackett's transmission in Arrival, but the letter was great too~

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meonlyred wrote...

Thanks to this video, Kaidan's song is Hell is for Heroes - To Die For, for me at least.


Just popped on here after finishing playing and saw this... this is a great vid...I was smiling all the way through. I especially liked the part where they kept flashing the romance scenes during Shep's dying scene...I have been thinking about it for a couple of days now...that at least in my canon Shep I could see that Kaidan was the last thing on her mind as she was taking her last breath. Thanks for sharing.

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nranola wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

(Would have liked it better if it was video, but beggars can't be choosers)

I was thinking the same thing! It would've been better for him to have sent Shepard vidmail instead, kind of like Hackett's transmission in Arrival, but the letter was great too~


Yeah that would have been a lovely touch. The mail felt like a cheap way for Bioware to continue the romance throughout the game, although that last picture scene made up for a lot...did not expect to see that...then again as soon as I destroyed the collector's base on my first playthrough I was frantically hoping for some sort of appearance from Kaidan *sighs* bah :)
A vid transmission would really have been great and much more personal to see Kaidan actually struggle with his words, looking all confused and hurt. Loved seeing the transmission in Arrival, though the idea of a private conversation in her cabin is a bit silly since it's a Cerberus ship...TIM has those creepy eyes for a reason...always watching ;)

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If only....*sigh*

In 10 months we'll have him in person. :lol:

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^Wow that picture...if only indeed :pinched:

MICHELLE7 wrote...
From the LI perspective I've always thought of him as Shepard's rock...her stability...the shoulder she leans upon. Like Chawkas saying that maybe Shepard was her stability...everyone is always looking to Shepard for support...who does Shepard have...Kaidan...even looking at the picture before the final mission seems to scream to me that even without him physically being there just the thought of him is keeping her from falling apart under all the pressure. Just the way I'm seeing it for my own playthoughs.


I have a similar view of Kaidan. Totally feel the same way about looking at the picture.

MICHELLE7 wrote...
I've wondered about the fact that no one but Joker and Kelly say anything about the relationship...well TIM implies it and I guess if Garrus was there he would hear Kaidan say that he loved her. I'm thinking not many people knew about them and that maybe that's the reason the dialogue was so little. I don't see Kaidan blurting out to the universe that he and Shep were a couple after her death ..which would have probably made it harder on his getting past it I would think. I mean I'm sure they probably counsel military personal on tragic deaths or something but I would think they would handle the death of a shipmate different than someone who is personally invoved with someone. Kaidan probably went it alone and no one really knew what he was going through. Personally I just the last two years as being harder on him than Horizon would have been on Shep. Sort of like Kasumi...maybe he didn't really get past the pain at all but just put on a brave face like he did with Rhana and pretended that it didn't affect him.


Yeah Kaidan seems like he would have gone through it alone. Their relationship was definitely not something they would have announced to people, even though other people on the ship know *something* is up.

Horizon went fine for me because my Shep knee-jerked in response to his knee-jerk and got in an argument with him, so him walking away made complete sense. And the email helped a lot, even in it's insufficientness (yeah I know it's not a word).

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Hmmm... when did TIM hint at the relationship between shep and Kaidan? It's been too long since my last ME-run. Gotta finish my current Hawke get back to romancing Kaidan, I'm starting to forget things =)

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Jhosephine wrote...

nranola wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

(Would have liked it better if it was video, but beggars can't be choosers)

I was thinking the same thing! It would've been better for him to have sent Shepard vidmail instead, kind of like Hackett's transmission in Arrival, but the letter was great too~


Yeah that would have been a lovely touch. The mail felt like a cheap way for Bioware to continue the romance throughout the game, although that last picture scene made up for a lot...did not expect to see that...then again as soon as I destroyed the collector's base on my first playthrough I was frantically hoping for some sort of appearance from Kaidan *sighs* bah :)
A vid transmission would really have been great and much more personal to see Kaidan actually struggle with his words, looking all confused and hurt. Loved seeing the transmission in Arrival, though the idea of a private conversation in her cabin is a bit silly since it's a Cerberus ship...TIM has those creepy eyes for a reason...always watching ;)


I second the vid-mail idea...although it would have had me bursting into tears! But yeah, at least we got the e-mail.

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SilentK wrote...

Hmmm... when did TIM hint at the relationship between shep and Kaidan? It's been too long since my last ME-run. Gotta finish my current Hawke get back to romancing Kaidan, I'm starting to forget things =)


Ugh, been too long since my last run too...think it's the talk after Horizon. Shepard can tell him to **** off when he asks about it...love doing that hehe (although she's more polite than I would have been :P)