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[meonlyred]

Shepard's relationship with Kaidan might be brought up only as character evidence, as a way to show her lack of judgment. I'm assuming Shepard will be on trial for blowing up the relay and killing a bunch of Batarians and not her actions on past missions. Besides, what is the statue of limitations on fraternization?

I can see Al-Jilani outside the trial as they are going in with the rest of the press.


Haven't seen this one in a while, by diraemythos

Modifié par meonlyred, 10 mai 2011 - 01:26 .

[SilentK]

Aww gad .... I completely forgot that they would find the pic on the table. Well jupp, they will probably bring that up. Shep doesn't have a pic of all the team but just one guy, one very good looking guy. Hmmm.... wonder if it will come up in the game and wonder how my Shep would react if it did.

[Selenora]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I really think that some of how they go about doing it will be whether or not they allow those who have single Sheps to start a late romance with a ME or ME2 LI. Just for time and money's sake I don't see them doing a completely different dialogue tree for a late romance as opposed to one that started earlier. And since a late romance would require getting to know the LI it would probably go slower for all of us. If you can't start a late romance they could probably just jump in there where they left off (if any of that makes sense).

Since bioware has made it tradition to have romances in their games and since ME3 wont have any new LIs we can assume the old ones will be available for the new players. I cant think of how they gonna do it tho. I definitely dont want to have to re-romance Kaidan again if i stayed faithful, or have the same dialogue with a romanced and a non romanced Kaidan. There must be some different lines for ppl who will romance him first time and ppl who have already been in a relationship with him.

[Collider]

The comic would allow new players to romance old LIs.

[Selenora]

Collider wrote...

The comic would allow new players to romance old LIs.

 I mean the conversations

[nranola]

Eliantariel wrote...

Just imagine Kaidan inspecting Shepards room and finding his picture on her desk....

I am not sure what to expect from Kaidan in the beginning of ME3 - will he be angry? Or will he understand that Shep did what she/he did only because it seemed to be the only way?

That's a picture that I've painted in my head over and over. An inspection of the Normandy would be the perfect opportunity for a scene like that!

Honestly, I'm a bit worried of how he's going to react to Shepard and the whole Arrival fiasco. I'm sure it will be brought up in the trial. Will Kaidan believe her, as doubtful as he was of her activities under Cerberus influence? That mission wasn't prompted by Cerberus, but it's so easy to say that what Shepard does in Arrival was a result of her working with them.

meonlyred wrote...

Which beings me to this: Cerberus is going to be Shepard's enemy in ME3. For whatever reason Shepard is on TIM's bad list. (I can think of a few things my Shepard has done to put herself there) I wonder if the reason Shepard does not reply to Kaidan's message and maybe partly for the reason for her clamming up on Horizon is because she fears Cerberus might use Kaidan against her, in some form, if they knows she cares for him. I certainly fear that might be the case, either as random, bait (he has already done that), threaten, assassination attempt, etc.

That's what I figured too, keeping him a safe distance away from herself and Cerberus. They've used him as bait once, after all; they are very capable of doing it again.

Another reason could be that, well, it's made pretty clear that there's a big chance that the team won't make it out of that mission alive. If she made any effort to reconcile with Kaidan, give him some semblance of hope for a future between them again, only to die on him again... That would destroy him. I can see Shepard toughing it out if it keeps him from getting hurt, even if it means not being with him.

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Out in the open? I can see that stupid reporter drilling Shep on her realtionship with her former LT now. "Did you and Spectre Alenko have an affair while he was an officer under your command in the Alliance military?"I feel another punch in the mouth coming. Well at least on my renegade.

Oh gosh, miss Al-Jilani will be at the trial for sure...and enjoy it thoroughly no doubt lol

My Shep has managed to keep her fists in check so far, but maybe in ME3 things will be different LOL. Third time's the charm? xD It's so satisfying to out-talk her, though. Ahhh... if only there was a way to do both.

[AkodoRyu]

nranola wrote...

Will Kaidan believe her, as doubtful as he was of her activities under Cerberus influence?

But it was prompted by Hackett, and I think he will have something to say on this "trial" thing. I don't see why Kaidan would doubt the admiral, who was always fond of Shepard, unless he's suddenly paranoid.

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 10 mai 2011 - 03:23 .

[Jhourney]

AkodoRyu wrote...

nranola wrote...

Will Kaidan believe her, as doubtful as he was of her activities under Cerberus influence?

But it was prompted by Hackett, and I think he will have something to say on this "trial" thing. I don't see why Kaidan would doubt the admiral, who was always fond of Shepard, unless he's suddenly paranoid.

Agreed...Kaidan must have been getting mixed messages for a while now (including the pro-Alliance stuff you can do in ME2). Remind me though, didn't Hackett tell Shepard to put on her Alliance stuff for the trial? Only played Arrival once so don't recall what he said.

[AkodoRyu]

He does Jho, thou I don't really understand why. But veterans keep their uniforms and wear them occasionally, so...

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 10 mai 2011 - 03:36 .

[Jhourney]

AkodoRyu wrote...

He does Jho, thou I don't really understand why. But veterans keep their uniforms and wear them occasionally, so...

It's just odd...though Hackett always viewed Shepard as Alliance, despite her Spectre status or in this case flying under Cerberus colours. So if she still has her uniform, why can't she wear it in the unmodded ME2? 

[JaerWolfe]

About Hackett telling Shep to wear her dress blues...it's politics. If she's in that uniform, the Citadel Council can't touch her, regardless of her Spectre status. She wears an Alliance uniform, she answers to the Alliance. It's also a statement to the batarians that this is an Alliance soldier and if they try to kill her, the Alliance will respond. So Hackett was protecting her as best he could by turning her from what basically amounted to a mercenary to an Alliance soldier. A merc the batarians could kill and the Alliance wouldn't be expected to care. If the batarians tried to kill an Alliance soldier, however, it would spark a war in what is already a tense situation.
It's also political grandstanding on the Alliance's part and takes away any 'valid' excuse the batarians have for starting a war.

[DeadLetterBox]

AkodoRyu wrote...

nranola wrote...

Will Kaidan believe her, as doubtful as he was of her activities under Cerberus influence?

But it was prompted by Hackett, and I think he will have something to say on this "trial" thing. I don't see why Kaidan would doubt the admiral, who was always fond of Shepard, unless he's suddenly paranoid.

Hackett did not hand your report back to you because he trusted you.  He's getting his plausible deniability together.  He'll buy you time, but when that's over he will absolutely serve  you up to prevent a war with the batarians that could cost millions of lives.  He might try to talk them out of executing you, but I wouldn't expect anything else.  I firmly believe when that trial starts Hackett's gonna have no idea why you were in batarian space.  He certainly isn't going to say an Alliance admiral sent you to rescue an operative and finish her plan to destroy the system.  That would start a war for sure.

[Sialater]

*sigh* I see spoilers are still running amok. Guess I'll see y'all in 2012.

[MizzNaaa]

JaerWolfe wrote...

About Hackett telling Shep to wear her dress blues...it's politics. If she's in that uniform, the Citadel Council can't touch her, regardless of her Spectre status. She wears an Alliance uniform, she answers to the Alliance. It's also a statement to the batarians that this is an Alliance soldier and if they try to kill her, the Alliance will respond. So Hackett was protecting her as best he could by turning her from what basically amounted to a mercenary to an Alliance soldier. A merc the batarians could kill and the Alliance wouldn't be expected to care. If the batarians tried to kill an Alliance soldier, however, it would spark a war in what is already a tense situation.
It's also political grandstanding on the Alliance's part and takes away any 'valid' excuse the batarians have for starting a war.

I agree with that, but DeadLetterBox's opinion is also plausible. Frankly,  I certainly hope Hackett's actions were him trying to protect Shepard, to me it seems more likely as he was very fond of Shepard and respected her and trusted her enough to go to her for such mission that could drag his name down.

But if what DeadLetterBox says turns out to be true, it'll be one helluva plot twist:blink:

[JaerWolfe]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

AkodoRyu wrote...

nranola wrote...

Will Kaidan believe her, as doubtful as he was of her activities under Cerberus influence?

But it was prompted by Hackett, and I think he will have something to say on this "trial" thing. I don't see why Kaidan would doubt the admiral, who was always fond of Shepard, unless he's suddenly paranoid.

Hackett did not hand your report back to you because he trusted you. He's getting his plausible deniability together. He'll buy you time, but when that's over he will absolutely serve you up to prevent a war with the batarians that could cost millions of lives. He might try to talk them out of executing you, but I wouldn't expect anything else. I firmly believe when that trial starts Hackett's gonna have no idea why you were in batarian space. He certainly isn't going to say an Alliance admiral sent you to rescue an operative and finish her plan to destroy the system. That would start a war for sure.

You're addressing two separate issues:
1. Would Kaidan believe her or would he be doubtful or even aware of what Hackett was up to.
2. Would Hackett use plausible deniability in the trial and sell Shepard out to prevent a war.

On issue 1 there's not enough information to know one way or the other. We don't know how much Hackett has or has not told Kaidan.
On issue 2, I'm inclined to agree with you. Hacket would sell Shepard out. He's a big picture kind of guy...he'd have to be to hold his position as long as he has. The only reservation I have is metagaming...Hackett is a fan favorite. People have been wanting to know about him since ME1. I don't think Bioware would mess with that when they can just as easily make someone else the badguy in the trial. A human Councilor Velorn (sp?) if you will.

[DeadLetterBox]

JaerWolfe wrote...


On issue 2, I'm inclined to agree with you. Hacket would sell Shepard out. He's a big picture kind of guy...he'd have to be to hold his position as long as he has. The only reservation I have is metagaming...Hackett is a fan favorite. People have been wanting to know about him since ME1. I don't think Bioware would mess with that when they can just as easily make someone else the badguy in the trial. A human Councilor Velorn (sp?) if you will.

Yeah.  I can easily see Udina volunteering for the role.  Most of us want to put the hurt on him anyway.

[JaerWolfe]

@DeadLetterBox...yup. Udina fits the bill nicely and there is absolutely no chance of Udina not showing up again in ME3.

[Collider]

I'm looking forward to Kaidan in ME3 - But I hope that friendship with him isn't stunted. Kaidan was my Shepard's good friend in ME1.
Oh, and there isn't much (or any) Kaidan friendship art/screenshots. That saddens me.

[AkodoRyu]

@Collider: I think we all know why. Beginning from that there's not much in the game that indicates stronger friendship, not even few good occasions for screenshots, ending on that mostly shenko fans left around.

@DadLetterBox&Jaer: Hackett already has been declared pro-alliance, anti-reaper, sane person. He said things that would indicate that there's more people that just him and Anderson who don't think Shepard's loony. I believe that he trusts Shepard to the point he needs only her word. We still have our report, it's not like it disappeared. Of course I may be naive and wrong, but that would be too ugly even for BW to pull out that kind of a twist. I kind of try to not be paranoid about some things. Cerberus, indoctrination... Sheeesh...

Kaidan as a Spectre surely can eavesdrop here and there, get his intel on his own. This collar under his new armor is haunting me - what if even Alliance doesn't know about the new Spectre?

EDIT: LOL Fire. I love you

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 10 mai 2011 - 07:07 .

[FireEye]

Collider wrote...

Oh, and there isn't much (or any) Kaidan friendship art/screenshots. That saddens me.

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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AkodoRyu wrote...
what if even Alliance doesn't know about the new Spectre?

I always thought that making Kaidan a spectre was part politics (sorta like Shepard was really) and made public. Shepard is really starting to become a bad role model for humanity considering that he or she is working with terrorists and is destroying colonies in the name of halting machine gods that does not exicst.

Kaidan already had an impressive record and was a vital part in taking down Saren. Turning him into a spectre to replace Shepard as the "hero of humanity" seems like a good PR move. They can even go futher and downplay Shepard's effort and make Kaidan seem more important in the process.

[AkodoRyu]

That's true and plausible, Lizardviking, I am just considering the other option. Which actually makes me think Kaidan is still "paragonish" in his actions.

[JaerWolfe]

@AkodoRyu...
I have no doubts that Hackett believes Shepard. It isn't a matter of whether or not Hackett trusts/believes Shepard, it's a case of what Hackett will/won't do to prevent a war with the batarians. The trial is about Shepard's actions, particularly killing a colony of batarians. For Hackett, serving up a single person to prevent a war most likely isn't even a difficult choice. It might make Hackett regretful and even lose sleep at night, but he'd do it all the same.

As for Kaidan's intel as a Spectre...I don't think Shepard's body was even metaphorically cold before he was given the appointment as Spectre, he definitely had it before Horizon, which means he's had a couple of years to build up all sorts of connections in interesting places. I would be very much surprised if Anderson/Hackett hasn't been using Kaidan as his little clean up crew the way he did Shepard in ME1. So, in short...the Alliance brass would be very much aware that Kaidan is a Spectre.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AkodoRyu wrote...

That's true and plausible, Lizardviking, I am just considering the other option. Which actually makes me think Kaidan is still "paragonish" in his actions.

I don't see how this scenario makes Kaidan less of a good-guy. He wants to help stop the Reapers, it makes sense he would accept the spectre status given how much power such a title holds. He does not control the Alliance PR department and the Alliance have already smeared Shepard's name by the start of ME2.

[MICHELLE7]

meonlyred wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Great way to look at it...Shep protecting Kaidan from future retaliation.

Not so much of protecting him, more like trying to steer the hurricane that is her life away from him.

lol she does seem to be a lightening rod for trouble.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 10 mai 2011 - 07:27 .