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[MizzNaaa]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

Jhosephine wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

The mission thing sounds good...be horrible for those that chose a ME2 LI if it was in front of his parents the cheating was revealed...eek what a punch in the gut for Kaidan.

Dunno if they'll bring back personal squad mission thingies though, I mean they were such a big part of ME2 where the focus was just on the whole suicide mission team.

I'm just thrilled Casey said they're focusing on a smaller squad with deeper relationships...so maybe family does come into play.

I agree, I'm thrilled that they're finally pulling back to ME1 style, less characters more in-depth conversations...so maybe family does come into play. I mean it wouldn't make sense for Kaidan to be home and he doesnt even mention his family!


But yeah, should something happen to them, I think my Shepard will burst into tears, then take it out on the reapers...Kaidan angst, as good as it would be, is still heart-wrenching. 

I cant wait for this game, hoping nothing too bad happens with Kaidan. I'd cry too, perhaps too much. I always do with the Kasumi DLC.

Yeah Kasumi always breaks my heart When she runs and hugs Keiji's(ms?) hologram

[Zofiya]

AkodoRyu wrote...

It's not exactly my opinion, but almost everywhere I turn people seem to believe that he's sent after Shepard, or similar other speculations that would imply he's somehow hostile to the commander.

I think he may be more annoyed and rash by now, but I can't believe how could he suddenly change his mind about Shepard's commitment (or change his commitment to Shepard), considering what happened during ME1. Some seem to think that Horizon is a total "break of any bonds", while I think his head will cool by the events of ME3.

I love the idea of Kaidan being sent after Shepard, because it would create a lot of dramatic tension, even for a non-LI. If the Alliance or the Council got tired of waiting for Shepard to come in, it would make sense to send a Spectre after him/her; since Shepard started out as a Spectre chasing a rogue Spectre, it would be greatly ironic for new Spectre Kaidan (or Ashley) to get that assignment. It doesn't necessarily imply hostility though, at least not on Kaidan's part. I think his letter made it pretty clear that Horizon was a fluke, and orders are orders. Kaidan might not actually want to do it, but if he had to choose between his loyalty to the Alliance/Council, or his loyalty to and/or feelings for Shepard, I think after ME2, he would do his job.

Kaidan mutinied with Shepard in ME1, but those were extraordinary circumstances, and he and Shepard spent every day together fighting and hunting Saren. In ME2, it's a lot different; they haven't seen each other in years and there's no way for him to know if Shepard can actually be trusted. In his letter, he says that a lot has changed and he can't just ignore that.

If Kaidan knows about the events of Arrival before ME3 starts, he has to be wondering what's going on with Shepard. He could still believe in Shepard, and believe in the mission, but depending on how much he knows, it looks pretty bad. Even Hackett is kind of skeptical, and he's the one responsible for the whole thing. I don't think Kaidan would be like, "you're a terrorist and you're under arrest now", but IMO it would be grossly out of character for him to trust Shepard without question. I think he'd reserve judgement (especially after Horizon), because he owes Shepard that much, and I think he could even be convinced it was completely necessary, but he'd want a good explanation.

Uh... I forgot what my point was. Oh, yeah, umm, good plot device in fic, lots of fun with angst.

[MizzNaaa]

I don't actually think Kaidan would be sent after Shepard, I think he's going to be there for support. Shepard, the woman he loves, is suddenly brought in for mass murder, even if things were tense, I just don't think Kaidan or Ashley for that matter (and I'm talking about their characters, not them being treated as the same person) would just go "Shepard had it coming" they'll be there, and they'll defend Shepard, because they saw what the reapers are. This happened because of the reapers.

[Jhourney]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I agree, I'm thrilled that they're finally pulling back to ME1 style, less characters more in-depth conversations...so maybe family does come into play. I mean it wouldn't make sense for Kaidan to be home and he doesnt even mention his family!

Yeah, would be nice for him to mention them at least I browsed my way to Casey's twitter and noticed there's a um..tweet (right? lol)...on there about how writers have worked up new systems and techniques for how squadmembers interact and banter with eachother......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could it be the return of the partybanter we so love? 

Modifié par Jhosephine, 11 mai 2011 - 03:10 .

[nranola]

About Kaidan being sent after Shepard, I'm certainly not discounting the possibility. The trial could set up that scenario pretty nicely: proceedings go on, Reapers interrupt, Shepard "gets away", Spectre sent on a mission to deal with it.

If that happens it doesn't necessarily mean that Kaidan will be hostile, I don't think. He may be Alliance but he's not one to blindly follow orders. And besides, he's a confirmed squadmate. No matter what happens we can be reassured that it ends on a somewhat good note. xD

[MICHELLE7]

Jhosephine wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

I agree, I'm thrilled that they're finally pulling back to ME1 style, less characters more in-depth conversations...so maybe family does come into play. I mean it wouldn't make sense for Kaidan to be home and he doesnt even mention his family!

Yeah, would be nice for him to mention them at least I browsed my way to Casey's twitter and noticed there's a um..tweet (right? lol)...on there about how writers have worked up new systems and techniques for how squadmembers interact and banter with eachother......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could it be the return of the partybanter we so love? 

Please let it be so...when I replayed the lack of the party banter drove me crazy...it was one of the things that made Liara and Sheps interaction in LOTSB so good.

[MICHELLE7]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I don't actually think Kaidan would be sent after Shepard, I think he's going to be there for support. Shepard, the woman he loves, is suddenly brought in for mass murder, even if things were tense, I just don't think Kaidan or Ashley for that matter (and I'm talking about their characters, not them being treated as the same person) would just go "Shepard had it coming" they'll be there, and they'll defend Shepard, because they saw what the reapers are. This happened because of the reapers.

I keep going back and forth between them being there for support and them being called as witnessess(character witnessess in their case I would guess unless as Spectres they know more than we think)...thought I heard somewhere that there would be surprise witnessess. Also tried to think about all the squad members...who they might call to testify...I think Miranda would be a good choice...if anyone knew what was going on at the time (since she read the emails) it would be her. Oh yeah...and add her to my previous list of those who probably know about Shenko.

[MICHELLE7]

aristaea wrote...

I think his letter made it pretty clear that Horizon was a fluke, and orders are orders. Kaidan might not actually want to do it, but if he had to choose between his loyalty to the Alliance/Council, or his loyalty to and/or feelings for Shepard, I think after ME2, he would do his job.

Kaidan mutinied with Shepard in ME1, but those were extraordinary circumstances, and he and Shepard spent every day together fighting and hunting Saren. In ME2, it's a lot different; they haven't seen each other in years and there's no way for him to know if Shepard can actually be trusted. In his letter, he says that a lot has changed and he can't just ignore that.

Samara essentially said the same thing about Shepard...that she(Shep) would set aside her feelings to get the job done. In that respect (IMO) he and Shep are a lot alike....not in the sense of role playing but in the way the two characters are written. 

As for the email about a lot of things being changed...I do think it has to do more with his career and loyalties than anything personal though at the first playthrough I know myself and others were linking it to him personally moving on...now that (after a year lol) I've calmed down I see it as the Spectre angle and the fact that Cerberus is an enemy of the council.

After Arrival I'm kinda wondering at Hacketts comment about Cerberus getting things done (my paraphrase)...he almost sounded approving...brings me back to the Kasumi dlc...kinda also wondering if Cerberus is really rogue or if it is still connected with the Alliance somehow...I mean the Alliance can't openly do the things Cerberus does due to the politics especially with the other Alien groups. Didn't Edi say something about some of the money for Cerberus being backed by people in the Alliance district or something (kinda hazy on the details). I just think something may be up with all that and we will find out something more of why Shepard had to work with Cerberus and I expect to find Shep and Kaidan/Ash caught in the middle. Just my suspicious mind at work.

[MizzNaaa]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Samara essentially said the same thing about Shepard...that she(Shep) would set aside her feelings to get the job done. In that respect (IMO) he and Shep are a lot alike....not in the sense of role playing but in the way the two characters are written. 

As for the email about a lot of things being changed...I do think it has to do more with his career and loyalties than anything personal though at the first playthrough I know myself and others were linking it to him personally moving on...now that (after a year lol) I've calmed down I see it as the Spectre angle and the fact that Cerberus is an enemy of the council.

After Arrival I'm kinda wondering at Hacketts comment about Cerberus getting things done (my paraphrase)...he almost sounded approving...brings me back to the Kasumi dlc...kinda also wondering if Cerberus is really rogue or if it is still connected with the Alliance somehow...I mean the Alliance can't openly do the things Cerberus does due to the politics especially with the other Alien groups. Didn't Edi say something about some of the money for Cerberus being backed by people in the Alliance district or something (kinda hazy on the details). I just think something may be up with all that and we will find out something more of why Shepard had to work with Cerberus and I expect to find Shep and Kaidan/Ash caught in the middle. Just my suspicious mind at work.

I agree, there's some entanglement between Cerberus and the Alliance. Let's hope ME3 sheds light on that.

[Zofiya]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I don't actually think Kaidan would be sent after Shepard, I think he's going to be there for support. Shepard, the woman he loves, is suddenly brought in for mass murder, even if things were tense, I just don't think Kaidan or Ashley for that matter (and I'm talking about their characters, not them being treated as the same person) would just go "Shepard had it coming" they'll be there, and they'll defend Shepard, because they saw what the reapers are. This happened because of the reapers.

Yeah, in-game I can't see the VS chasing down Shepard, and I think at trial Kaidan and Ashely would fill supportive roles. I love the idea in fic, but given everything else that's happening at the beginning of ME3, the drama would be a drop in the bucket. My biggest worry is that things that need saying will be said off-screen, or glossed over with expository dialogue. Kaidan is my Shep's LI in most playthroughs, and I don't want to be like, "hey Kaidan, you look good, nice weather for this trial we're having", and then just pick up where we left off.

nranola wrote...

About Kaidan being sent after Shepard,
I'm certainly not discounting the possibility. The trial could set up
that scenario pretty nicely: proceedings go on, Reapers interrupt,
Shepard "gets away", Spectre sent on a mission to deal with it.

LOL, actually I meant that it could happen between ME2 and ME3, rather than as part of ME3; Kaidan could be sent out to bring her back to stand trial. If Shepard has to escape during the trial, Kaidan better be there handing her a gun.

[meonlyred]

Jhosephine wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Oh crap... I was kind of dreading this. With all the death happening on Earth, I was wondering if we would see the tragedy of the VS losing family. Kaidan's parents or Ash's sisters. I don't want to be right... I'm sure it will be insane emotional and great for the storyline, but seeing Kaidan grieving might end me.

IMO that would be AWESOME! In a heartbreaking, 'emotional engaging', dramatic, Jho crying at her screen, type of way. For Shepard to be able to try and comfort Kaidan and the scene and dialogue of that...wow, such possibilities. For me it would bring the relationship to a whole new level if they add something so dramatic. But, even being able to 'meet the parents' would do that too, it makes it all so much more personal and draws more people into the relationship and thus makes it feel more 'real' in a way.
We don't know what will happen, or even if we get to see/meet family though...but wow.

Experiencing something that emotional, it would be awful and horrid and I wouldn't wish it on Kaidan who has already been through so much....but it sure would have some awesome dramatic impact, making the invasion even more personal for both Kaidan and Shepard. Can you imagine an emotional, raging Kaidan on the battlefield? Again WOW. And another reason for Kaidan to make sure no harm comes to Shepard...oh the drama lol

You guys know me and my love of evil tragic scenarios, I would love and hate that all at the same time. I'd be right there with you crying my eyes out. Kaidan coming back to Shepard in a state of grieving would be beautiful story wise, especially for my colonist Shepard who kind of went through the same thing. OH! The drama!!!

They have already said that ME3 will be a lot darker. I don't know how much darker you can get after Jacob's daddy and his whole Lord of the Flies thing. Death of family and love ones would do. Hell even if Kaidan's family is alright, having to abandon your homeworld to be raped and pillaged by evil mechanical Cthulu monsters while you are desperatly trying to find help would cause a lot of stress and grieving. I love the whole run away to fight another day plot twist they have for ME3. Excellent choice of direction.

@The Spoiler and being in Vancouver I keep thinking of the How I met Your Mother episode where Barney rips open Robin's hotel window curtains and yells "We're in Canada!" (I can't find a clip...) The question is, is Bioware above making Canada jokes?

[M-Sinistrari]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I don't actually think Kaidan would be sent after Shepard, I think he's going to be there for support. Shepard, the woman he loves, is suddenly brought in for mass murder, even if things were tense, I just don't think Kaidan or Ashley for that matter (and I'm talking about their characters, not them being treated as the same person) would just go "Shepard had it coming" they'll be there, and they'll defend Shepard, because they saw what the reapers are. This happened because of the reapers.

I can see them sending Kaidan to bring Shepard in.  As Hackett said, the trial was going to be a witch hunt and not to worry since the evidence was flimsy, so it would fit for the Alliance to put on a big show by having it look like they had to ensure Shep comes to trial with another Spectre.

Though with my Sheps it'd probably be more like there's no brief detours to restock the Normandy bar.

[Fault Girl]

I think it'll be either bring her in, or support at the trial...

Kinda unsure as to how Hackett will aid Shepard, he sent Shepard there in difficult circumstances, he could be said to be as much to blame...There was nothing she could really do. So I believe that Kaidan should believe her, if Hackett defends her...

There is no clue as to how it'll play out

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 11 mai 2011 - 07:26 .

[ravene]

waiteing to see what they do on party banter and hopeing we get me1, dao type banter.

? Are they Makeing it so that events in Arrival are cannon because im going to have a big issue with my shep on trial for somehting she never did.

while i bought Arrival I have no save were I actualy did it. I felt like I my shep was being Railroaded once again and after being Railroded in to working with Cerberus for the entire me2 game I jsut coulden't do it.

Modifié par ravene, 11 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[FireEye]

You get brought in anyway, even if you didn't do Arrival. No idea what the charges are then, but...

... I personally suspect that if you don't do Arrival, you'll get docked Happy Ending Points because the Reapers will invade that much faster or something.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I believe the events in Arrival are cannon officially. I don't like it either. I'm hoping that, at the very least, they won't punish people who didn't play it, and can just let it happen offscreen in the saves I made after I uninstalled it.

[MizzNaaa]

FireEye wrote...

You get brought in anyway, even if you didn't do Arrival. No idea what the charges are then, but...

... I personally suspect that if you don't do Arrival, you'll get docked Happy Ending Points because the Reapers will invade that much faster or something.

I think it'll be more like "you did it anyway" kind of thing, especially since there were no actual decisions in the DLC, the outcome is the same no matter what you do.

[M-Sinistrari]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I believe the events in Arrival are cannon officially. I don't like it either. I'm hoping that, at the very least, they won't punish people who didn't play it, and can just let it happen offscreen in the saves I made after I uninstalled it.

I wish I could remember where I read it, maybe on Hudson's twitter..but Arrival's canon but they're putting in a different resolution for it to cover those who either didn't buy it or didn't do it.  So to me it sounds like having the relay go boom no matter what with Shepard getting brought in on other charges.

[FireEye]

MizzNaaa wrote...

I think it'll be more like "you did it anyway" kind of thing, especially since there were no actual decisions in the DLC, the outcome is the same no matter what you do.

While that would make sense, I thought I saw it in a clump of other DLC talking about how if you didn't play it, things would happen around you (like Liara will still go after the Shadow Broker without you, but your relationship in ME3 will be different).

I honestly don't know for certain, just the impression I got.



...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

How do you folks in here want the early dynamic between Shepard and Kaidan be in ME3? Should he be wary of Shepard? Trust her? Or something else entirely?

[Estelindis]

I feel Kaidan should initially be caught between guardedness (because the relationship is uncertain after the two year gap) and gratefulness (that Shepard is alive). I feel in his mind he'll still have some difficulties knowing what to think, but in his heart and his gut he trusts Shepard and cares about her.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I would hate if they don't bring alot of the earlier dialog to work things out between them. And instead just ignore it.

[Ananka]

I think he can be a bit guarded to begin with, but then warm up as he gradually realizes that Shep is actually still Shep, the woman he loves and a friend who did not betray him.

I think that in the beginning of the game he has had some time to think about Horizon, and has understood that he may have acted a bit too emotional there, but he may still feel a bit wary not knowing what to expect or how she has changed since they were a couple.

I do hope there will be a dialogue to talk to him about Horizon and about Shepards death, though (and I'm sure there will be).  Alot of things there that need to be said.

Modifié par Annaka, 11 mai 2011 - 09:37 .

[FireEye]

Annaka wrote...

I think he can be a bit guarded to begin with, but then warm up as he gradually realizes that Shep is actually still Shep, the woman he loves and a friend who did not betray him.

Unless she turns out to be a clone or a robot or something. 

Anyhow, one of my tolerance thresholds for ME3 would be having Kaidan/Ashley groveling at Shepard's feet for forgiveness and other such buttkissery.  Whatever else they do, I hope they have a massive variety of dialogue options so different people can get the different results they want.  Probably a pipe dream, but....

[MICHELLE7]

Lizardviking wrote...

I would hate if they don't bring alot of the earlier dialog to work things out between them. And instead just ignore it.

If what they said about concentrating more on the meaningful realtionships is true I doubt they would ignore it...I don't know if they'll go too deep into it if you stayed loyal because to me that kinda bascially says she forgave him and still loves him. To me (IMO) your choice of whether you stayed loyal or moved on to a ME2 LI determined whether or not the relationship was over. Part of the role playing process.  I don't mind them discussing it a little but I don't want them to just dwell on it. I have a feeling that even if they get past it quickly that they are going to be a little awkard with each other at first (no matter how much I'd love for them to just go for it). I guess the awkwardness would allow for "the new to ME" players build a first time relationship with him though.

Interesting about Liara acting differently towards you if you don't do LOTSB. Makes me think even more and more that Kaidan/Ash and Liara had unspoken loyalty missions in ME2. LOTSB...obviously for Liara and whether or not you stayed loyal for Kaidan/Ash.