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[AkodoRyu]

Lizardviking wrote...

How does everyone in this thread handle the Horizon reunion? Do you folks pick the upper dialog options or what?

Like this. Mostly to not sound like a big DERP. I don't over-analyze it anymore.

Edit: Uh. ToP rule, yes?...

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 29 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[meonlyred]

I love the second neutral response. Its the only one where Kaidan calls Garrus out too. Consisting how they were my go-to team in ME1 it only makes sense Kaidan would feel betrayed or possible jealous that Garrus is at Shepard's side and he isn't. But I hate all 3 of the Goodbye options. Paragon doesn't fit with the argument they just had. And it kind of makes Shepard sound like a moron. Neutral - you don't get the "Goodbye and be careful." And Renegade is just too angry and accusing for my Shepard. So its sounding like a moron for me...

Akodo I love you comment, "Oh by the way: I love Kaidan, deal with it." That is exactly how I feel when someone asks me why Kaidan.

Welcome Shanya! xD

[FireEye]

I think I did neutral ("You don't sound happy to see me,") ... something, neutral ("the Alliance sent you in to investigate me, didn't they?"), something that didn't make sense, and neutral ("So long, Kaidan.")  I also thought I still got the "Goodbye and be careful," but meh.  I combed through it a bunch of times looking for a good permutation, and none of it really fit for me.

Personally, I think Shepard's a damn dirty traitor, but that's just me. 

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

Welcome Shanya! xD

Indeed.



Grab a chair.  :innocent:

[meonlyred]

FireEye wrote...

I think I did neutral ("You don't sound happy to see me,") ... something, neutral ("the Alliance sent you in to investigate me, didn't they?"), something that didn't make sense, and neutral ("So long, Kaidan.")  I also thought I still got the "Goodbye and be careful," but meh.  I combed through it a bunch of times looking for a good permutation, and none of it really fit for me.

Personally, I think Shepard's a damn dirty traitor, but that's just me. 

Pfft, how do you think I feel?! My Shepard is a Sole Survivor, Kaidan should have knocked her on her ass for working for Cerberus. If Toombs shows up in ME3 my Shepard is going to take whatever punishment he gives her and be grateful for it.

Okay admit I might be lying about the "So long Kaidan" not getting the "Goodbye and be careful." I'm going by secondhand accounts. I'm to afraid to try, plus that fight is a pain in the ass, especially on the harder setting. (I guess if I was smart I would turn down the settings. But I would have to be smart to do that and god knows I ain't that) So exploring the different dialogue choices is a major pain in the ass.

Also I'm scaried to death that if Horzion isn't handed just right we might lose Kaidan. I hope Bioware doesn't get us with the little dialogue choices we did in ME2. Like not confirming your relationship with Kaidan to Kelly and such. On a side note, Kelly scaries the holy hell out of me. She is so harmless acting and from reading the books and just being all around paranoid, I hate admitting to her and risk Kaidan being use by Cerberus against Shepard. There would be a major reckoning if that happens, just sayin'.

@Chair Picture - not that I'm saying Kaidan should be covered. But wouldn't sleeping without a blanket be kind of cold?

[SilentK]

Hmm... I think traitor would be a little too harsh. Feels like my F!Shep has got to choose between something really bad, and something even worse which would be to do nothing. Do you go with the bad choice or the really bad choice. Working along with Cerberus but not working for them. Big diffrence there, that's what's makes it possible for her to to sleep at night. Gahh.. She goes along because at the moment, my sheps haven't really found a better alternative. I really wonder how it will be dealt with later on. She did something that had to be done, but with a group that she doesn't trust, want to work with. But in my heart I cannot really call her a traitor, I just feel that she's in a very difficult position. Can't come up with a word that would suit me better at the moment.... will have to ponder a bit.

Ohh... almost forgot, welcome Shanya!
edit: lol spelling still

Modifié par SilentK, 29 mai 2011 - 10:53 .

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

Pfft, how do you think I feel?! My Shepard is a Sole Survivor, Kaidan should have knocked her on her ass for working for Cerberus. If Toombs shows up in ME3 my Shepard is going to take whatever punishment he gives her and be grateful for it.

Same... and I'd wondered if how you handled Horizon + Kelly and Joker and tIM after Horizon would bite you if you'd done it wrong, but I figured it probably didn't matter. 

meonlyred wrote...

@Chair Picture - not that I'm saying Kaidan should be covered. But wouldn't sleeping without a blanket be kind of cold?

Environmental controls, maybe?  XD



Hot or chill?  :innocent:

SilentK wrote...

Hmm... I think traitor would be a little too harsh. Feels like my F!Shep has got to choose between something really bad, and something even worse which would be to do nothing. Do you go with the bad choice or the really bad choice. Working along with Cerberus but not working for them. Big diffrence there, that's what's makes it possible for her to to sleep at night. Gahh.. She goes along because at the moment, my sheps haven't really found a better
alternative. I really wonder how it will be dealt with later on. She did something that had to be done, but with a group that she doesn't trust, want to work with. But in my heart I cannot really call her a traitor, I just feel that she's in a very difficult position. Can't come up with a word that would suit me better at the moment.... will have to ponder a bit.

See, I wouldn't be bothered if that was how it came across on screen to me.  As it was, I cheered Kaidan the heck on when he called Shepard out on it.  At no point does it seem she isn't working for Cerberus (and it's always working for Cerberus to me: working with tIM is working for Cerberus).

But that's just how I feel.  If Shepard had been genuinely forced to work for Cerberus instead of just going blithely along because tIM said so, I might have enjoyed the Cerberus plot.

[Eliantariel]

FireEye wrote...

See, I wouldn't be bothered if that was how it came across on screen to me.  As it was, I cheered Kaidan the heck on when he called Shepard out on it.  At no point does it seem she isn't working for Cerberus (and it's always working for Cerberus to me: working with tIM is working for Cerberus).

But that's just how I feel.  If Shepard had been genuinely forced to work for Cerberus instead of just going blithely along because tIM said so, I might have enjoyed the Cerberus plot.

I agree - it should have felt more forced so that Shepard has really no choice as to work for Cerberus if he/she wants to do something against the collectors and reapers. There should have been the option to express the desperate feeling that Shepard only works together with Cerberus because he/she sees no other way as to cooperate with the devil.

But concerning the previous discussion: even if you say to Kelly/TIM/Joker that the relationship is over there will be still Kaidans photo on Shepards desk. It will only be turned down if you have a romance with someone else. So I don't think that the respond to Kelly/TIM/Joker has an influence on the romance in ME3. After this meeting on Horizon it is even understandable if Shepard think it is over - that does not mean that Shepard stopped loving Kaidan. Maybe there will be a comment of Joker or Kelly in ME3 when Shepard is again together with Kaidan and Kelly e.g. responds something like "I had the feeling it wasn't over for you" or something else.

Modifié par Eliantariel, 29 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[nranola]

I guess I'm in the minority of people that actually liked the Horizon scene. xP

As with most things in the game, I think it depends on how you roleplay it. My Shep went for the Paragon responses (less the Cerberus part; you can watch it here if you want) and it makes perfect sense to me. I figured that by that point she would have already had a lot of time to think about the situation she's in and how people would perceive that. She's proud of Kaidan for sticking to his guns and for doubting her as she was in no position to be trusted, but at the same time she's desperately clinging onto what little she had left of her life before Cerberus. I imagine she was plenty conflicted.

Modifié par nranola, 29 mai 2011 - 12:35 .

[Sialater]

Collider wrote...

(apologies if old)

Patrick Weekes (writer of Garrus, Tali, Miranda, Mordin, Liara LotSB) asks female Shepard fans how they feel about gender integration in games/Mass Effect 3.
http://pats-quinade....com/229049.html

Thanks, Collider!  I think it got buried in the rehash of Horizon.

[SilentK]

Eliantariel wrote...

FireEye wrote...

See, I wouldn't be bothered if that was how it came across on screen to me.  As it was, I cheered Kaidan the heck on when he called Shepard out on it.  At no point does it seem she isn't working for Cerberus (and it's always working for Cerberus to me: working with tIM is working for Cerberus).

But that's just how I feel.  If Shepard had been genuinely forced to work for Cerberus instead of just going blithely along because tIM said so, I might have enjoyed the Cerberus plot.

I agree - it should have felt more forced so that Shepard has really no choice as to work for Cerberus if he/she wants to do something against the collectors and reapers. There should have been the option to express the desperate feeling that Shepard only works together with Cerberus because he/she sees no other way as to cooperate with the devil.

 

Great   =)   I always like hearing how people reason about different things in the game. Hmmm... it might be different because I just feel like she is forced to do it, maybe it's just how I do the internal dialouge with my shep but I don't see her as simply going along. I feel that she has thought about it and this is the best she can do right now. But yes, I would have been very glad if there had been something more to show that that she really really wasn't happy about it. How bad it makes her feel. That I agree a 100% with, one scene or something to that effect would have been great     =)

[mineralica]

Please, don't kill me, but it's Horizon again.
I'm currently on re-playthrough with Shepard lately realized she needs in Kaidan. So after big scandal with TIM I go to Kelly and she asks both how Horizon has been and if Shepard has serious feelings. As a response to "serious feelings", three options are available - Yes, No and something like "it's in a past". Is it normal? If Shepard who hasn't even got locker scene may have this part of dialogue?
Joker had only normal options (neutral and rene), as well as this Shep never had a photo frame on her desk.

[FireEye]

Yes. Kelly asks regardless.

[siriusrambles]

FireEye wrote...
See, I wouldn't be bothered if that was how it came across on screen to me.  As it was, I cheered Kaidan the heck on when he called Shepard out on it.  At no point does it seem she isn't working for Cerberus (and it's always working for Cerberus to me: working with tIM is working for Cerberus).

But that's just how I feel.  If Shepard had been genuinely forced to work for Cerberus instead of just going blithely along because tIM said so, I might have enjoyed the Cerberus plot.

I feel the same.  At this point i'd gladly shove my Sheps out the airlock and play as Kaidan instead. 

[meonlyred]

The way I see it, TIM is indirectly forcing Shepard to work for him. TIM was behind the rumors about Shepard working for Cerberus. I have a feeling that if Shepard had woken up, shot Jacob Wilson and Miranda, stolen a shuttle, and when straight to the Citadel at the beginning of ME2. They still would have already heard that she was 'working for Cerberus.' I believe TIM made it where the only people Shepard could turn to for help against the Collectors was Cerberus. He couldn't force her not without risking changing her personality or making her unfocused in the final fight.

I also wonder if Horizon was a form of blackmail, same for going to the 'disabled' Collector ship. TIM knew that Kaidan was a former squadmate, and by his cryptic remark I wonder how much more he knows. To TIM, Horizon was like killing 2 birds with 1 stone. It lured the Collectors out and it might have been a way to exert his power over Shepard. A reminder that he is in change and there is little she can do about it without risking the people she cares for. You don't always need shackles to control someone. Well that is how I see it, I might be wrong. Who knows...

...it is 2012 yet?

[Kia Purity]

*looks at the calendar* Nope, still 2011. ;_;

*gets out and pushes the month towards June for some E3ness*

[M-Sinistrari]

meonlyred wrote...

I also wonder if Horizon was a form of blackmail, same for going to the 'disabled' Collector ship. TIM knew that Kaidan was a former squadmate, and by his cryptic remark I wonder how much more he knows. To TIM, Horizon was like killing 2 birds with 1 stone. It lured the Collectors out and it might have been a way to exert his power over Shepard. A reminder that he is in change and there is little she can do about it without risking the people she cares for. You don't always need shackles to control someone. Well that is how I see it, I might be wrong. Who knows...

...it is 2012 yet?

I've kinda felt that Horizon was Cerberus' loyalty mission for Shep, and they ended up failing so Shep's not loyal to them.  But then, that's just me with my Sheps mostly.

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

The way I see it, TIM is indirectly forcing Shepard to work for him. TIM was behind the rumors about Shepard working for Cerberus. I have a feeling that if Shepard had woken up, shot Jacob Wilson and Miranda, stolen a shuttle, and when straight to the Citadel at the beginning of ME2. They still would have already heard that she was 'working for Cerberus.' I believe TIM made it where the only people Shepard could turn to for help against the Collectors was Cerberus. He couldn't force her not without risking changing her personality or making her unfocused in the final fight.

I also wonder if Horizon was a form of blackmail, same for going to the 'disabled' Collector ship. TIM knew that Kaidan was a former squadmate, and by his cryptic remark I wonder how much more he knows. To TIM, Horizon was like killing 2 birds with 1 stone. It lured the Collectors out and it might have been a way to exert his power over Shepard. A reminder that he is in change and there is little she can do about it without risking the people she cares for. You don't always need shackles to control someone. Well that is how I see it, I might be wrong. Who knows...

I agree that Shepard would have found much resistance with the Council and the Alliance because of disinformation and that tIM would be willing to put Kaidan in danger (maybe - though, if he's smart, he might also consider Kaidan to be a second option in case of ShepFail) to control Shepard.  Unfortunately, none of that crops up at all until at least after Freedom's Progress, by which point Shepard has already agreed to work for Cerberus, not to mention taken Cerberus' bribes (the Normandy, etc), because tIM said the Magic Word ("Reapers!").

... I guess this is going off topic, though. 



Please enjoy this dancing Kaidan.  :innocent:

[meonlyred]

FireEye wrote...

/snip
Please enjoy this dancing Kaidan.  :innocent:

I always do

*gigglesnort*

Though Kaidan always strikes me as the kind of guy who actually knows how to dance. Ballroom dancing that is, club dancing might be beyond him. Either that or in 200 years from now everyone really sucks at dancing.

[Kia Purity]

meonlyred wrote...
/snip

Though Kaidan always strikes me as the kind of guy who actually knows how to dance. Ballroom dancing that is, club dancing might be beyond him. Either that or in 200 years from now everyone really sucks at dancing.

...I had this 1930's noir ballroom dancing of Kaidan and Shep in my head yesterday. XD  (I so have to draw this soon as I quit drawing Shep and start practicing on Kaidan @_@)

Modifié par Kia Purity, 29 mai 2011 - 10:54 .

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

Though Kaidan always strikes me as the kind of guy who actually knows how to dance. Ballroom dancing that is, club dancing might be beyond him. Either that or in 200 years from now everyone really sucks at dancing.

Of course!  Marines have balls, after all.  :innocent:

[irJessica]

Clonedzero wrote...

so how do you guys think kaidan fits as a "bro" to manshep?

i was thinking of doing a full run of ME1&2 and having kaidan live for the first time ever while romancing liara.

i know a majority of the kaidan fans are people who romance him though lol

I know this is a day old but I had to add to it!

My first playthrough was manshep romancing Liara.
I first found this thread having never romanced Kaidan, he was just a bro. Who my manshep lusted after...
It was quite a while before I romanced Kaidan and to be honest I was already a huge fan.
Huge and crazy are the same thing right?

[Collider]

I would consider Kaidan to be my male Shepard's friend. I just wish that there was more friendship content with Kaidan for male Shepards. Even female Shepards who did not romance him get more dialog.

Modifié par Collider, 30 mai 2011 - 12:22 .

[Collider]

Double post.

Modifié par Collider, 30 mai 2011 - 12:22 .