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[Not Bambi]

I feel like I'm missing something, when does he bring up dating a doctor? I'm drawing a blank.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm an idiot.


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Modifié par Not Bambi, 30 mai 2011 - 07:50 .

[Collider]

Not Bambi wrote...

I feel like I'm missing something, when does he bring up dating a doctor? I'm drawing a blank.

In his email in ME2 to Shepards who romanced him.

Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling
myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a
long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally
let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the
Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again,
you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in
front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know
who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before
Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to
you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put
that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die --
on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear
it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know
you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too
dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

Modifié par Collider, 30 mai 2011 - 07:43 .

[noxpanda]

I don't think the doctor woman is Kaidan's gf, hes to honest not to just say it if its true. He said he went for drinks and it wasnt serious, so thats exactly what i read it as. I doubt Kaidan would mess shepard around like that. Hes far too much of a sweetie.

I do hope we get a short scene in ME3 where Joker or Chakwas, or both of them manage to have a chat with kaidan and make him feel bad for not helping shep at all with the events of ME2 though. I mean i didn't really expect either of them to turn up after shep got spaced, but there they were, loyal as could be. Hmm mind you the scene would work with tali, garrus or liara too. Or maybe a more innocent scene like them all hanging out in the crew deck reminicisng about blowing collectors up and kaidan walks in and feels all 'left out of the loop'.

[Noir_Skye]

Shanya wrote...


I on other hand dont believe that Kaidan went with her on more than maybe couple of drinks and I would even say that that doctor holds no serious interest for Kaidan. I even think that it was one drink only BUT he felt the need to say about it for 3 reasons:
1. he is honest that he tried to move on
2. he would want Shepy to know that he is still a "man", not a monk ,  if you get my drift
3. he would leave himself a way out, not buning all the bridges since

Besides, you just speak with Liara few times and he (with Liara) conforts Shepy, so it seems that in his book, things like chating are already "something", so in light of that, he would tell her about the doctor. Besides, what about some good old jelousy? Maybe he would play that angle a bit in order to try to get real emotional reaction from Shepy? Just a thought... considering that he doesnt exactly knows how Shepard might or might not feel...

I agree.   
Jealousy.  Yes. Maybe, he was hoping to get the same reaction out of her that he had when he confronted her about Liara.  Did he want her to know he could get someone else?  He still wants to be with Shepard, but he isn't positive who she is anymore. He covered all bases with that letter.  He's leaving a way out for them both.


As for Zaeed... hell, I love that guy. His expresion when he gets smacked by Shepard is PRICLESS! He would actualy be interesting romance possibility and my other Shepard (not the one that is utterly Kaidans) would definetly go for him. The third one goes for Thane.:innocent:

I could see Shepard with on older more weathered soldier.  My purely paragon Shepard moved on with Garrus.  For her, you are with her or against her.  Garrus is loyal and predictable.  In my head, her lines at Horizon were so bad because she couldn't believe Kaidan had the nerve to challenge her.  She's the savior of the Citadel.

My canon Shepard is faithful to Kaidan no matter what.  He is her rock.  Her anchor.  She looks to him to reel her back in if she goes too far.  Kaidan wouldn't drop everything he's working on to follow Shepard around.  That would be wrong on so many levels.  She's with a terrorist organization.

During the romantic scene before Ilos, Shepard tells Kaidan if she wanted a pet she would have gone elsewhere.  He is the perfect man for her.  After saving him from the beacon and Virmire, would she really bring him on a suicide mission with her?  I don't think she would.   Kaidan was hurt and angry as he left.  Shepard was saying whatever off the top of her head to get a few more precious moments with him.

Modifié par Noir_Skye, 30 mai 2011 - 07:55 .

[hayleym103]

*Waves* been lurking here for the past few months since I first got the game and thought I'd give my views on Kaidan, Shepard and Horizon, since Kaidan is my all time favourite LI in a game, and I never thought I'd find a contender for Alister till now! As others have said its nice to have someone a bit more mature in a game.

Personally I don't see Shepard and Kaidan as having had any time alone together since Ilos. Shepard is a hero after she defeats Saren. I think shes going to have the press from every species in the galaxy after her for interviews etc, and the alliance are going to be taking advantage of that, saying yes look we humans just saved the galaxy, heres our poster girl, we deserve a seat on the council. I don't see the alliance as sending Shepard back to the Normandy straight away or giving her time for a break or even just a chat with Kaidan.

The Normandy is the most advanced frigate in the alliance, they're not going to have it sitting in dock just cause Shepard isn't there to captain it. So I see Kaidan and the rest of the Normandy crew being sent back to normal duties while Shepard is away.

I think I remember reading somewhere that Shepard gets killed by the collectors only 2 months after she defeats Saren, so I play it as shes just got back to the Normandy when its destroyed. (The collectors know exactly where the Normandy is, I'm guessing they'd know when Shepard was on the ship too.) She hasn't had time to talk to Kaidan about the night before Ilos or to afirm their relationship. Thats why kaidan asks her in his letter after Horizon is she even remembers it. I definatly think it was a one off thing.

Thats why on Horizon Shepard takes the friend approach, rather than the oh my gosh you're alive *hugs and never lets go* approach that you'd expect from thinking someone you love dead then finding them not. They never had time to even tell each other they loved the other (doesn't happen in game at all). Its been 2 years and Shepard's playing it safe rather than finding out the hard way that hes moved on.

Although my Shepard is at first deeply hurt by the way he reacts, not giving her time to explain, and especially when he accuses her of betraying him and the alliance. I'm sure by ME3 she will have calmed down a bit and be able to see things from his point of view. Although I'm hoping Kaidan will do at least a little bit of sucking up before she takes him back. I don't want my Shepard having to be the one begging for him back, even though she's stayed faithful to him and couldn't imagine being with anyone else, she'd let him go if he didn't show signs of still caring about her. (Please Bioware don't let that happen *sadface*)

[Chignon]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Collider wrote...

Besides, what about some good old jelousy? Maybe he would play that angle a bit in order to try to get real emotional reaction from Shepy? Just a thought... considering that he doesnt exactly knows how Shepard might or might not feel...

Trying to make Shepard jealous doesn't sound like Kaidan.
I think he'd be honest with Shepard.

Exactly this. I think the only reason that Kaidan mentioned his "date" at all is because he's extremely honest, and he wanted to be up-front with Shepard. I think that Kaidan respects Shepard enough to be honest, and I belieave that he would show tact, if he actually feels something for this unrevealed doctor.

I agree with both of you. Kaidan isn't a teenager anymore and he's certainly not petty enough to play on Shepard's jealousy.

[Sialater]

Chignon wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Collider wrote...

Besides, what about some good old jelousy? Maybe he would play that angle a bit in order to try to get real emotional reaction from Shepy? Just a thought... considering that he doesnt exactly knows how Shepard might or might not feel...

Trying to make Shepard jealous doesn't sound like Kaidan.
I think he'd be honest with Shepard.

Exactly this. I think the only reason that Kaidan mentioned his "date" at all is because he's extremely honest, and he wanted to be up-front with Shepard. I think that Kaidan respects Shepard enough to be honest, and I belieave that he would show tact, if he actually feels something for this unrevealed doctor.

I agree with both of you. Kaidan isn't a teenager anymore and he's certainly not petty enough to play on Shepard's jealousy.

And this is when the lack of ability to reply pisses me off.

[Eshaye]

quantumparadigm wrote...


However, I still like to believe that once Kaidan knew Shepard was back, he stopped any relationship he did have. Because she had that much of an impact on his life. It's not something you get over lightly, and the way he talks about the doctor, saying that it was nothing serious, leads me to believe that he wouldn't be able to continue such a relationship because he would have too much on his mind. It wouldn't be fair to anyone involved, and if Kaidan is anything, he is honorable. 

I spend way too much time thinking about these kinds of things.  

lol No no, that is exactly the scenario I have in my head with Kaidan. I think once he knew for sure that Shepard was really truly alive whatever was happening with the other woman was done and over. Which is why IF Shepard 'cheats' with Thane/Jacob/Garrus there's going to be consequences. 

AND I sure hope that's actually true BioWare because if it isn't really there WILL be rage! Just to make sure I'm working on two saves... 

[Chignon]

Sialater wrote...

And this is when the lack of ability to reply pisses me off.

To the message, you mean? Yes, I must agree. It also could've made things easier for those wanted to break up with Ashley or Kaidan after Horizon.

[Eshaye]

hayleym103 wrote...
Personally I don't see Shepard and Kaidan as having had any time alone together since Ilos.

I imagined the whole Normandy crew automatically getting at least a week of shore leave right after the events of ME1 considering what they did. That's some time for Shep and Kaidan to get closer but not nearly enough to be life mates. When she dies their relationship is still in the blossoming stage in any case. 

Because this is a game there's always going to be a lot of things open to interpretation, I don't think even with ME3 we'll ever get clear answers on how much time between ME1 and 2 they had together or the actual nature of Kaidan's 'relationship' (or lack thereof) with the mysterious Dr. Lady. We'll just have to fill those blanks in for ourselves.  And honestly I think I kind of prefer it that way. 

[noxpanda]

Eshaye wrote...

Because this is a game there's always going to be a lot of things open to interpretation, I don't think even with ME3 we'll ever get clear answers on how much time between ME1 and 2 they had together or the actual nature of Kaidan's 'relationship' (or lack thereof) with the mysterious Dr. Lady. We'll just have to fill those blanks in for ourselves.  And honestly I think I kind of prefer it that way. 

Yeah it certainly provides for interesting conversations discussing everyones different interpretations and impressions . I love how it seems like everyone has a different theory about everything to do with Kaidan and the best bit is none of us is wrong! (well unless bioware stomps on a few theories in ME3)

[M-Sinistrari]

Eshaye wrote...

hayleym103 wrote...
Personally I don't see Shepard and Kaidan as having had any time alone together since Ilos.

I imagined the whole Normandy crew automatically getting at least a week of shore leave right after the events of ME1 considering what they did. That's some time for Shep and Kaidan to get closer but not nearly enough to be life mates. When she dies their relationship is still in the blossoming stage in any case. 

I've figured the same, that the Normandy crew got some downtime but with the inevitable debriefs and panel meetings to go over what happened, some crew likely wouldn't've seen much of that downtime.  Thwack on the usual 'rah-rah look at the hero!' crap for morale boosting and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if when Shep's told to go patrol for Geth that she fixes the Council with the beginning of a thousand yard stare strongly requesting that after Geth patrol she's able to go on a proper vacation where she's only got to worry about sleeping in and how fast her margarita gets refilled.

[Jean]

Chignon wrote...

Sialater wrote...

And this is when the lack of ability to reply pisses me off.

To the message, you mean? Yes, I must agree. It also could've made things easier for those wanted to break up with Ashley or Kaidan after Horizon.

-> Touching heartfelt letter of love and forgiveness xxxoo

->Webcam

-> FUUUU


I'm fine without a reply

Modifié par Batteries, 30 mai 2011 - 10:34 .

[leggywillow]

Batteries wrote...

Chignon wrote...
To the message, you mean? Yes, I must agree. It also could've made things easier for those wanted to break up with Ashley or Kaidan after Horizon.

-> Touching heartfelt letter of love and forgiveness xxxoo

->Webcam

-> FUUUU

I'm fine without a reply

LOL.  I like how the webcam response is the neutral one.

::Kaidan receives filthy webcam action with a poker-faced Shepard::
Kaidan: ...... so.  Thanks for that.  Are we together again then?
Shep: ::disconnect::

Shep keeps Kaidan guessing to the bitter end.

[FireEye]

leggywillow wrote...

LOL.  I like how the webcam response is the neutral one.

::Kaidan receives filthy webcam action with a poker-faced Shepard::
Kaidan: ...... so.  Thanks for that.  Are we together again then?
Shep: ::disconnect::

Shep keeps Kaidan guessing to the bitter end.

Maybe it's "Hack into Kaidan's Webcam"?

That dialogue wheel can be misleading sometimes, after all.  :innocent:

[Eshaye]

leggywillow wrote...

LOL.  I like how the webcam response is the neutral one.

::Kaidan receives filthy webcam action with a poker-faced Shepard::
Kaidan: ...... so.  Thanks for that.  Are we together again then?
Shep: ::disconnect::

Shep keeps Kaidan guessing to the bitter end.

Niiiiice! You're so hilarious, that painted the most awesome picture in my head. 

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

LOL.  I like how the webcam response is the neutral one.

::Kaidan receives filthy webcam action with a poker-faced Shepard::
Kaidan: ...... so.  Thanks for that.  Are we together again then?
Shep: ::disconnect::

Shep keeps Kaidan guessing to the bitter end.

Maybe it's "Hack into Kaidan's Webcam"?

That dialogue wheel can be misleading sometimes, after all.  :innocent:

Very misleading.

[Shanya]

leggywillow wrote...

::Kaidan receives filthy webcam action with a poker-faced Shepard::
Kaidan: ...... so.  Thanks for that.  Are we together again then?
Shep: ::disconnect::

Shep keeps Kaidan guessing to the bitter end.

That would be hillarious...   After the ::disconnect:: there should be about 5 min movie of Kaidans closeup... him, staring at blank "monitor" with what I would imagine a priceless expresion.

[FireEye]

So I run with Kaidan and Ashley 99.99% of the time and my Shepard is a bioticless luddite.



... I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

[Shanya]

Thats awsome!

Btw I had this thought naging me for...uh... quite some hours...

We know that Kaidan will be a Spectre in ME3, right? So why will he be one? Here is a theory that emerged in my silly head:

We know that Citadel council considers Cerberus a threat, a terrorist organization etc etc. Then we do know that Shepard is wanted on Erth for a trial. Lets say that Hackett is doing good job for delaying that. The "trial-folks" becoming nerveus, lusting for blood and realy wanting to get their hands on Shepy.
Council starts regarding Shepy a bit in a way as they did Saren aka they believe that Shepy has gone rouge, not knowing her that her working aragements with Cerberus have ended.
To satisfy both parties Kaidan becomes a Spectre, missioned by Council to aprehend and possibly eliminate the suposedly roughe Shepy but at same time he has a command from Allince to aprehend and deliver Shepy to the trial. Kaidan would be appropiate for that since I believe that he would not "shoot her on sight" without proper evidence of her rougness. What do you think? It is totaly wild idea, since I have no idea how it would compesate with Ashley or is there any mention of her becoming a Spectre also?

Other idea that I had is simply:
Shepy returns with Normandy from Collector base, sends Timy to where the sun doesnt shine, her ship is completely battered, hardly holding together wich would make travel true Relays imposible and as such she is stuck in "some" solar system. She doesnt have the funds to fix it quckly etc. So anyhow, they are stuck, maybe even on some planet, lost to the entire galaxy, wanished from "the map". Maybe Cerberus even sent some agents after her who made some more damage to the ship.
So now Council nor Alliance knows what is or what it is not with her. They make Kaidan a Spectre because he nags them all to find her, and they send him on a chase. He is suposed to locate her, aprihend her and bring her to trial.

Totaly not posible, right???

[Eshaye]

Shanya wrote...

So now Council nor Alliance knows what is or what it is not with her. They make Kaidan a Spectre because he nags them all to find her, and they send him on a chase. He is suposed to locate her, aprihend her and bring her to trial.

Totaly not posible, right???

That would be so cool, I hope this happens and yet I don't want to be disappointed so I'm going to assume it won't go down like that. But story wise yeah it's totally possible and would make for great drama. 

[nranola]

Shanya wrote...

Thats awsome!

Btw I had this thought naging me for...uh... quite some hours...

We know that Kaidan will be a Spectre in ME3, right? So why will he be one? Here is a theory that emerged in my silly head:

We know that Citadel council considers Cerberus a threat, a terrorist organization etc etc. Then we do know that Shepard is wanted on Erth for a trial. Lets say that Hackett is doing good job for delaying that. The "trial-folks" becoming nerveus, lusting for blood and realy wanting to get their hands on Shepy.
Council starts regarding Shepy a bit in a way as they did Saren aka they believe that Shepy has gone rouge, not knowing her that her working aragements with Cerberus have ended.
To satisfy both parties Kaidan becomes a Spectre, missioned by Council to aprehend and possibly eliminate the suposedly roughe Shepy but at same time he has a command from Allince to aprehend and deliver Shepy to the trial. Kaidan would be appropiate for that since I believe that he would not "shoot her on sight" without proper evidence of her rougness. What do you think? It is totaly wild idea, since I have no idea how it would compesate with Ashley or is there any mention of her becoming a Spectre also?

I think Kaidan being a Spectre implies that Ashley becomes a Spectre as well, knowing how the writers tend to parallel the two.

And that was the first thought that came to mind when I heard about the Kaidan Spectre status, though I don't think they'd necessarily ask him to take her down - not without evidence to back up her alleged rogue-ness, anyhow. Like with Saren, I think the Council would first ask for proof, and once proven guilty will then order a hunt. Unless of course they have an especially bitter bias towards Shepard for whatever reason and have her hunted regardless.

Though personally, if I were in their shoes, I'd care less about protocol and more about the Reapers, which prove to be very difficult to ignore by the time ME3 comes around.

There's also been some speculation that Kaidan was already a Spectre in ME2. His file being especially classified and him reporting to the Citadel post-Horizon point to this. It's not enough to go by, but it does make you think.

[Eshaye]

nranola wrote...
There's also been some speculation that Kaidan was already a Spectre in ME2. His file being especially classified and him reporting to the Citadel post-Horizon point to this. It's not enough to go by, but it does make you think.

I think he was being trained at that point, or tested out like Shepard was at the very start of ME1. 

[Shanya]

nranola wrote...

Though personally, if I were in their shoes, I'd care less about protocol and more about the Reapers, which prove to be very difficult to ignore by the time ME3 comes around.

There's also been some speculation that Kaidan was already a Spectre in ME2. His file being especially classified and him reporting to the Citadel post-Horizon point to this. It's not enough to go by, but it does make you think.

They should be, yes, but well, they didnt took Saren seriously at start either, and in ME2 even if they did see a Reaper in ME1 they disregarded it as a fairytale, what is stoping them to do just the same in ME3 (at least the start of it)?

I highly doubt he was a Spectre but being observed as one, yes. It would be quite possible that somebody like Nhilus was lurking in the shadows watching every Kaidans step on Horizon (maybe even saved him from Collectors) wich would probably evenmoreso justify Kaidans accusations made towards Shepy... as he is watched.

Another thing that pops into my mind... In Shadow Brokers files there is a note that Admiral Hackett will be suplemented in 2 months with an agent that is curently deep undercover. That could actualy be Kaidan, maybe. Or on a wild guess, it could actualy be Shepard (if the trial goes well) ... wich is more probable, since as said, Kaidan and Ashley seem to go hand in hand and I cant find any justification for her to rank up to Admiral. But Shepy.... well, she wasnt promoted for getting the first Reaper, officialy, that would make her Captain, in ME2 she eliminates the base, so that could be a good enaugh reason to promote her to Admiral in ME3. Donno, just thinking...

[AkodoRyu]

I'm pretty sure Broker referred to one of his own men spying on Alliance.

*peeks a few pages earlier* Oh, the doc talk. I'm pretty sure someone already took care of all the female doctors on the Citadel *runs away*

Modifié par AkodoRyu, 31 mai 2011 - 07:35 .