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[Jhourney]

Chignon wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Why is it so unreasonable for Shep to turn into a babbling moron on Horizon?

It's not unreasonable and I understand that perfectly.

What I think is unreasonable, however, is that Shepard shows not even a hint of emotion. No joy at finding Kaidan alive and well, no concern for how he may have felt at seeing her/him again, no anger or sadness at his accusations - I could go on. There is simply nothing.

No kidding. Shepard was thrilled to see Garrus, seeing Wrex again was joyful (though a bit..um...you know), a nice hug for Liara...and an "Eyyy, how ya' doin'?" for Kaidan...

Why oh why...

edit for top of the page Kaidan...bad Jho, forgot.

Modifié par Jhosephine, 08 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[Joisan]

BECC4 wrote...

Why is it so unreasonable for Shep to turn into a babbling moron on Horizon?

I think in a perfect world we would have the choice to RP how our Shepards would respond.  For some, turning into a babbling moron (to borrow your phrase) might be in character.  Others might want their characters to be more collected.  For my part, I still wish there had been a "Thank God you're okay!" *Glomp* option

[Chignon]

Pacifien wrote...

Well, my Shepard did tell Joker she didn't need that garbage, so there was some anger in that.

Yes and I pick that option, too, but I wanted something like that on Horizon and not with Joker on the Normandy when it is already too late.

Modifié par Chignon, 08 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[meonlyred]

Jhosephine wrote...

No kidding. Shepard was thrilled to see Garrus, seeing Wrex again was joyful (though a bit..um...you know), a nice hug for Liara...and an "Eyyy, how ya' doin'?" for Kaidan...

Why oh why...

Shepard did get a hug at least...

Then again doing a running tackle would probably be inappropriate in front of everyone

[Jhourney]

Joisan wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Why is it so unreasonable for Shep to turn into a babbling moron on Horizon?

I think in a perfect world we would have the choice to RP how our Shepards would respond.  For some, turning into a babbling moron (to borrow your phrase) might be in character.  Others might want their characters to be more collected.  For my part, I still wish there had been a "Thank God you're okay!" *Glomp* option

Now there's an easy fix for Horizon...just add a Glomp option

@Meonlyred True. Glad we have that hug.

Modifié par Jhosephine, 08 janvier 2011 - 09:52 .

[BECC4]

@Shenzi and Jho I think we can all agree that the resurrection deserved an almighty fcepalm ;-)



@Chignon I agree with you about the emotion, I always like to think that Shep was a bit too shellshocked to show how she was feeling, happy he was there, sad because she was just realising that it wasn't going to be a happily ever after, angry because it wasn't her fault, annoyed at Cerberus, relieved the collectors didn't have him, I guess it was just too much to process at the time.

[leggywillow]

I liked Horizon in some ways.  In a horrible way, I kind of liked how Shepard just shut down.  It's like her poor brain and heart were just overloaded. 

I can just imagine how her brain was buzzing: "OMG look at all these colonists, I hope Kaidan is okay, holy crap these Collectors are tough, Kaidan must be on the ship already oh no oh no, oh my GOD there is a praetorian here, HUSKS EVERYWHERE!, the ship is gone, I failed, wait Kaidan is okay, I'm SOOOO relieved, I bet I look really horrible right now, do you think he sees my scars, I've been dead to him for 2 years but I just saw him 2 weeks ago, does he know I'm with Cerberus, he looks mad, holy crap I really was dead wasn't I"  and etc.  I can't imagine what other thoughts could be racing throuh poor Shepard's adrenaline-charged brain.

It would have been nice to have options, since not all Sheps would react that way.  But I'm able to justify the reaction enough to like it.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I thought that Kaidan (if romanced) would have been the most happy to see Shepard alive and kicking. But Garrus, although he didn't trust Cerberus, never even made an issue of it, and it was all the more reason to watch Shepard's back for him. Tali hates Cerberus, but not as much as she revered and respected Shepard, so she followed him. Wrex didn't care about Cerberus much, he was just glad to see Shepard again. Liara was happy to see Shepard again, and didn't care much about Cerberus (although because she is an info broker, she would have known the whole story.) Joker even joined Cerberus because he is addicted to flying.

And then Shepard goes to Horizon and Kaidan/Ashley accuses them of betraying the alliance to join Cerberus... Not what I expected first playthrough after seeing everyone else...

[meonlyred]

I wider range of reactions would have been better. My Shepard is a colonist/solo survivor so I could see her saying something to the effect of "I have to do this." "If it means working for the devil to help these people I'll do it" "I don't have a choice" etc

[Hedera]

 Wow... It has been a while.  

Unfortunately, I feel the need to RP everything and had to wrack my brain for a reason Shep stands there like a rock while Kaidan basically tears her to shreds.  I assume it's shellshock like y'all have said before.  As it stands, my Shep understands his reaction and it even causes her to rethink her subtly approving stance on Cerberus.  (They're in her head?)  I don't like Horizon.

But I make the best of it.  

[Chignon]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I thought that Kaidan (if romanced) would have been the most happy to see Shepard alive and kicking. But Garrus, although he didn't trust Cerberus, never even made an issue of it, and it was all the more reason to watch Shepard's back for him. Tali hates Cerberus, but not as much as she revered and respected Shepard, so she followed him. Wrex didn't care about Cerberus much, he was just glad to see Shepard again. Liara was happy to see Shepard again, and didn't care much about Cerberus (although because she is an info broker, she would have known the whole story.) Joker even joined Cerberus because he is addicted to flying.
And then Shepard goes to Horizon and Kaidan/Ashley accuses them of betraying the alliance to join Cerberus... Not what I expected first playthrough after seeing everyone else...

Kaidan, Ash, Garrus and Tali are in so different positions and situations, that it is more than unfair to compare them with each other.

[meonlyred]

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Modifié par Nightodie, 08 janvier 2011 - 10:10 .

[Aslanasadi]

Well, I think for myself that my Shepard was indeed happy to see Kaidan, but then again she did not know what Kaidan did the past two years. He could have been married or in another relationship...So I understand her being careful first. I for myself would have felt very insecure in this moment and not really sure how to respond...You can be tough in all kind of life situation, but when it comes to personal things like being in love with someone, it's sometimes it's hard to find the right words...And after he started to yell...lol...I would have liked the possibilty to yell back!

As a gamer I do understand him, but for my Shepard, who had to live with the traumatic experience of being dead, I would understand her to be angry at him, because of not giving her a really chance to let her explain or listening to her...Okay, exuse my English, I'm a little tired and I probably messed half of it up But I hope you still understand what I tried to say.

[BECC4]

But all of the reactions are perfectly explainable, Wrex wouldn't give a damn either way, Garrus has already made it clear that he's more interested in getting the job done that who he's working for, Liara was fully aware of the situation because she essentially put you there, Tali's response depends on how you view here, in my opinion she idolises Shep so I think she's always gonna be on the trusting side, Ash and Kaidan however are trained soldiers, they look at things differently and as I've said before I think it would have been weirder for them not to question Shep's 2yr absence as a military officer especially with the crappy I've been dead story.

[leggywillow]

Chignon wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I thought that Kaidan (if romanced) would have been the most happy to see Shepard alive and kicking. But Garrus, although he didn't trust Cerberus, never even made an issue of it, and it was all the more reason to watch Shepard's back for him. Tali hates Cerberus, but not as much as she revered and respected Shepard, so she followed him. Wrex didn't care about Cerberus much, he was just glad to see Shepard again. Liara was happy to see Shepard again, and didn't care much about Cerberus (although because she is an info broker, she would have known the whole story.) Joker even joined Cerberus because he is addicted to flying.
And then Shepard goes to Horizon and Kaidan/Ashley accuses them of betraying the alliance to join Cerberus... Not what I expected first playthrough after seeing everyone else...

Kaidan, Ash, Garrus and Tali are in so different positions and situations, that it is more than unfair to compare them with each other.

IMO it gives Kaidan MORE of a reason to have conflicted emotions about Shepard's return.

I think about my reactions if my husband died, I buried and mourned him, and then he popped up alive and well 2 years later working for terrorists.  Then I think about my reactions if my best friend did the same thing.  I personally would be mad at both of them, of course, but it would be much easier to just forget the past and accept my best friend back with open arms than to do that with my husband.  My husband would raise a lot more questions and feelings of hurt and betrayal.

Yes, I know, Shepard really was dead but from the galaxy's perspective, which scenario is more likely: Shepard died and was resurrected like no other human has EVER been except with the possible exception of Jesus Christ, or Shepard faked her own death and laid low for 2 years?  The latter possiblity is unfortunately more likely, and I can't even imagine the sickening feeling in Kaidan's stomach as he considers that possibility.

[sesheta255]

BECC4 wrote...

But all of the reactions are perfectly explainable, Wrex wouldn't give a damn either way, Garrus has already made it clear that he's more interested in getting the job done that who he's working for, Liara was fully aware of the situation because she essentially put you there, Tali's response depends on how you view here, in my opinion she idolises Shep so I think she's always gonna be on the trusting side, Ash and Kaidan however are trained soldiers, they look at things differently and as I've said before I think it would have been weirder for them not to question Shep's 2yr absence as a military officer especially with the crappy I've been dead story.

What Becc said

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Just to clarify, I am not blaming Kaidan. But I would have expected him to trust Shepard like the other squadmates did. And you may say that Kaidan is different because he loved Shepard, but so can Liara, and she still follows him/her.
I wasn't comparing them. I was confused as to why Kaidan suddenly lost his trust and loyalty to Shepard.
I think it could be a cerberus plot. But then, I think everything is a Cerberus plot!

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 08 janvier 2011 - 10:26 .

[Aslanasadi]

Like I said I understand Kaidan feelings and of course he has got every right to question her, but like I said before, I feel with my Shepard, who really is not to blame for the happenings...My went as soon as possible to the Citadel to find out about Kaidan, but Anderson stonewalled her...How was she suppose to get in touch with him?



Besides that I think it's okay, when everyone got his own view on it...

[BECC4]

@Tasha you can't compare Kaidan's response to Liara's, Liara gave your body to Cerberus, she KNOWS you're telling the truth, Kaidan has been in the dark for 2yrs

[BECC4]

@Aslanasadi, I totally agree I'm glad everyone has their own opinions, the world would be a pretty boring place without them :-)



And even though my Shep knows she went straight for Kaidan unfortunately he doesn't hence the anger

[syllogi]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Just to clarify, I am not blaming Kaidan. But I would have expected him to trust Shepard like the other squadmates did. And you may say that Kaidan is different because he loved Shepard, but so can Liara, and she still follows him/her.
I wasn't comparing them. I was confused as to why Kaidan suddenly lost his trust and loyalty to Shepard.
I think it could be a cerberus plot. But then, I think everything is a Cerberus plot!

Lots of people complained about Liara's appearance in ME2 before LotSB came out; they felt that seeking vengeance for Feron wasn't a good enough reason to keep looking for the Shadow Broker and not help Shepard with the Collectors.  Some people felt that Liara was completely out of character, and it was debatable whether she trusted Shepard...after all, she wouldn't tell Shepard the full story of how she got her body back unless Shepard chose one particular dialogue option during their reunion, and for people who were her love interest, there was no way to talk to her about it, or even acknowledge it other than one kiss when greeting her.  It wasn't until Lair of the Shadow Broker came out that all of these issues were resolved.

At this point, I would just want some acknowledgement from the devs that they realize that Horizon was extremely frustrating for Ashley and Kaidan fans...they don't have to make any promises about DLC or ME3, but just let us know that they know we exist and they hear our concerns.

[Chignon]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Just to clarify, I am not blaming Kaidan. But I would have expected him to trust Shepard like the other squadmates did. And you may say that Kaidan is different because he loved Shepard, but so can Liara, and she still follows him/her.
I wasn't comparing them. I was confused as to why Kaidan suddenly lost his trust and loyalty to Shepard.
I think it could be a cerberus plot. But then, I think everything is a Cerberus plot!

Liara had vital information that Kaidan did not have.

Also, it should be logical that Shepard turning up with Cerberus after two years of being "dead" doesn't inspire much trust or loyalty in Kaidan.

[wildannie]

 For me I found Kaiden's reaction on Horizon to be totally understandable, he was caught off guard, I'm surprised he was as calm as he was.  

I also think that the more contained greeting from Shepard is because of their close relationship and their strong emotions.  I think it would be much easier for Shepard to be lighthearted and open when reunited with old friends than with her lover.

I definitely found the options to respond to Kaiden to be ooc for my Sheps - very frustrating!