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[Avilia]

FireEye wrote...

Avilia wrote...

Now I know ME isn't just about romance and they do have other things to do, but why offer it if they're not going to deal with it properly. Better to just leave it out imho.

At the moment, the only thing that has me vaguely interested in ME3 is how they handle Kaidan and Ashley.  Because as far as I'm concerned, ME2 dropped the plot ball on all the neat bits I was otherwise interested in.



I think we could all use a chair right about now.

*sneaks in and moves chair*

They do seem to have forgotten the actual plot in amongst the combat tweaks.


Edit - ToP - handy I didn't snip the piccy...muahaha

Modifié par Avilia, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:51 .

[Melindil]

FireEye wrote...

At the moment, the only thing that has me vaguely interested in ME3 is how they handle Kaidan and Ashley.  Because as far as I'm concerned, ME2 dropped the plot ball on all the neat bits I was otherwise interested in.

This is where I'm at.  I love the entire Mass Effect universe and all of the lore... but ME2 really dropped the ball in that department.

[meonlyred]

Think of it this way: Liara and VS fans got our romance first. Then ME2 came out and fans of the first 3 LI didn't get to be with their LI. We had to step aside and let fans of the new LI have their day. As much as I would love to say it is, Mass Effect isn't about Shepard and Kaidan. I know, I know, its a damn shame.

Mass Effect: Redemption could not be about the VS because who would be the one who goes after Shepard's body? Some people have Ashley dead other Kaidan. It would ****** one or both fan bases off if they said 'canon says _______ is the one you dies.' Wrex could also be dead depending on how you played. That left only Garrus, Tali, and Liara confirmed alive at the end of ME1.

Then LotSB came out, it gave fans of Liara their reunion. I have high hopes that they just haven't got to us yet. We're probably going to be the last ones to get their 'happy ending.' It sucks, trust me I know. I mean that is what we get for picking the less exposed LI. At least Ashley was in all the ME1 promo marketing. Kaidan doesn't have anything promo wise.

EDIT: Calling Kaidan the least 'Exposed' LI after that picture takes on all kind of new meanings...

Modifié par meonlyred, 21 janvier 2011 - 04:04 .

[close2myheart]

cgrimm54 wrote...

*delurk*
Long wait for DLC means big DLC?  Or maybe they'll add a Liara fluff pack... 

I Lol'd,,, I'll jump off a bridge if this really happens <_<

Hummm got me into thinking though, remember that letter reply from Bioware a while back (Jesse Houston If I'm not mistaken) that sez more or less like, "Of course the VS are not forgotten, Kaidan & Ashley are important characters to the Mass Effect franchise."
Do you think he said that to : a) Calms us down and ignore the whole issue later, or They are actualy in the middle of doing something awsome concerning the VS, with seperate teams?

I personally hope it was because of option B :mellow: But I'm just soooooo scared to let my hopes live atm.

[DWH1982]

meonlyred wrote...


Mass Effect: Redemption could not be about the VS because who would be the one who goes after Shepard's body? Some people have Ashley dead other Kaidan. It would ****** one or both fan bases off if they said 'canon says _______ is the one you dies.' Wrex could also be dead depending on how you played. That left only Garrus, Tali, and Liara confirmed alive at the end of ME1.

If all LIs are equal, they should have picked Garrus or Tali to go after Shepard's body.  That way it wouldn't have looked like they're trying to push one relationship over the others.

Frankly, it would have made more sense to have Garrus bringing back the body. I could see him as more of the shoot first/action hero quip type than Liara.

Water under the bridge, though...

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

At the moment, the only thing that has me vaguely interested in ME3 is how they handle Kaidan and Ashley.  Because as far as I'm concerned, ME2 dropped the plot ball on all the neat bits I was otherwise interested in.

This.

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

Think of it this way: Liara and VS fans got our romance first. Then ME2 came out and fans of the first 3 LI didn't get to be with their LI. We had to step aside and let fans of the new LI have their day. As much as I would love to say it is, Mass Effect isn't about Shepard and Kaidan. I know, I know, its a damn shame.

No, you're right.  Mass Effect isn't about Shepard and Kaidan. 

Mass Effect is about how AWESOME!!! tIM is and how many hawt chicks he banged. 

[Chignon]

close2myheart wrote...

Hummm got me into thinking though, remember that letter reply from Bioware a while back (Jesse Houston If I'm not mistaken) that sez more or less like, "Of course the VS are not forgotten, Kaidan & Ashley are important characters to the Mass Effect franchise."
Do you think he said that to : a) Calms us down and ignore the whole issue later, or They are actualy in the middle of doing something awsome concerning the VS, with seperate teams?

I personally hope it was because of option B :mellow: But I'm just soooooo scared to let my hopes live atm.

Marketing wishy-washy.

Of course they are going to say things like this. They want you to buy their product, in this case future DLCs and ME3.

[FireEye]

... I'm sorry, I said I wouldn't be a dick and inadvertently dash people's hopes with my pessimistic sarcasm.  I forget sometimes.



I'll behave.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

[fortunesque]

Honestly, I've been the voice of negativity a lot, but I've always looked at it as realism.



I think we should wait until the next major dlc is announced. Then we can pitchfork all we want.

[meonlyred]

Pitchforks and torches.... Can I bring the marshmallows?! We can make smores!!! *Claps hands*

[FireEye]

meonlyred wrote...

Pitchforks and torches.... Can I bring the marshmallows?! We can make smores!!! *Claps hands*

Kaidan smores? 

[Melindil]

meonlyred wrote...

Pitchforks and torches.... Can I bring the marshmallows?! We can make smores!!! *Claps hands*

See, now there's some good optimism. :happy:

I've been oscillating between pessimistic and relatively hopeful lately.  A lot of rational people I've talked to who are on the outside of this looking in (that is, they aren't at all emotionally invested in the VS) seem to believe that the Mass Effect team does have something awesome planned for the VS and that we'll probably be getting the best deal at the end of it all.  It just reminds me that it is really easy for us as the fans to take every little bit we see that's relevant to the characters and tear it apart and that maybe, just maybe, we've been completely off-base with all of our worries and concerns.

Modifié par Melindil, 21 janvier 2011 - 04:25 .

[Chignon]

I've said it before but even a DLC wouldn't make things right again but if well done, it could repair some of the damage that has been done to Ash and Kaidan.

[mllrthyme]

FireEye wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Pitchforks and torches.... Can I bring the marshmallows?! We can make smores!!! *Claps hands*

Kaidan smores? 

It appears Kaidan brought the chocolate...

Seriously, though, I plan on living in the realm of denial - that the VS DLC/ME3 will deliver and I will be satisfied with their work, until it is confirmed otherwise.  I don't have enough information to go on to speculate otherwise, even though their treatment of KaidEn is, I suspect, born of ignorance or an oversight.  I like to think of it as Bioware prolonging our anticipation so that when we get what we want, it'll be that much better.

Of course, the land of denial can skew one's perception slightly...

[Gilsa]

That chocolate picture is pure evil. =D

[yoshibb]

cgrimm54 wrote...
My god, I think I know what's going on!  Subtle propaganda to get everyone to play Dragon Age II!  

That's really the only reason I'm not just forgetting about Bioware completely. Dragon Age 2 looks awesome and I'm excited for that to come out. Plus at least they answer questions in that forum. I'll wait until the next DLC is announced but if there is no Kaidan, the torches are coming out completely. My Shepard will not save Bioware from the Reapers 

[Hedera]

Melindil wrote...
It just reminds me that it is really easy for us as the fans to take every little bit we see that's relevant to the characters and tear it apart and that maybe, just maybe, we've been completely off-base with all of our worries and concerns.

Story of these forums ever since DAII was announced... 

[Selenora]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I sincerely hope they give us Kaidan/Ash DLC.  Because if they don't I may hang up my N7 armor and go play champion of Kirkwall for a while.  

My god, I think I know what's going on!  Subtle propaganda to get everyone to play Dragon Age II!  

I am planning to play DA2  anyway, no matter what. I've played all bio games so far. I dont know if i will play ME3 tho. You see, i know ME universe is not about the story of shep and Kaidan but i tend to take it as such, especially after the ME2 events. I swear to God if we didnt have the story of them two written the way it is in ME2 i would propably not think of it as a Shep-Kaidan story. But now they somehow forced me to think of it as that. I mean, if we had Kai with us in ME2 i would think: ok, i have the love of my life with me, now lets kick some reapers and save the universe. But now i think of it as: I must fight for my love, universe be damned. and if not a reunion and a happy ending in ME3 i dont think i'll buy it. The universe can survive without my shepard. My shepards wont bother.......they will die at the end of SM and if that means i will have to play ME2 again in order to kill them, i will.
The universe will be saved no matter what and i can always watch vids on how, if im curious enough.

Im not buying any ME3 til i read all spoilers of what they did to Kaidan.

[Jean]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Melindil wrote...
It just reminds me that it is really easy for us as the fans to take every little bit we see that's relevant to the characters and tear it apart and that maybe, just maybe, we've been completely off-base with all of our worries and concerns.

Story of these forums ever since DAII was announced... 

Eww.. I literally high tailed out of there a few days after it was announced; the threads were... awful. Especially at how much the female characters were picked apart.
Looks like a 180 was done since then, most threads I see look more positive. Game looks like it'll be great.

[Jenova65]

fortunesque wrote...

So, when you choose Kaidan, it shows a closeup of Liara being sad? Or does it show Kaidan being all happy? o.o

It is a shot of Kaidan standing behind the desk, looking either nonplussed or vaguely amused depending on whether you are a glass half empty or glass half full kinda gal (or guy) It is the Liara shot with Liara removed basically and VS transplanted BEHIND the desk. She does state that she lets Liara down by telling her that there is 'someone else', she is interested in, but they weren't letting it get in the way of the mission and she does make it sound like Shep and Kai just give in to their passions just before Ilos and it was perfect in the moment.
It isn't Zaeed, it is Kaidan, tbf, none of three LI's look the way they do in ME, but the shot of the three of them is quite sweet (fanrage aside and trying be objective) and in that shot Kaidan is at the front  Hale makes it sound like they have feelings, real feelings for each other, not just a passing whim on positive side!
Sorry I didn't reply when you asked, but I am in England and and it was past my bedtime................ 

[Commander Kurt]

I don't know what kind of expectations you guys have? To me, ME2 was a disappointment after playing ME1 but it's still one of my favourite games. It got a tonne of awards, and a lot of people really like it. I'm hoping that ME3 will be better, because I know that they have it in them, but reading on these forums you could easily get the impression that ME2 was an utter failure.

It wasn't. It took a direction I don't like, but it's not by any standard a bad game. I'm holding a candle for Kaidan as much as anyone here, but misspelling his name is not really a big deal to me. And I'm not in the optimist camp on this, I do feel that the VS will probably get some justice but I doubt that I will love ME3 as much as ME1.

Every game that Bioware makes will not be my favourite game of all time. I'm hoping that the next one will be, but if it isn't I'll still be free to enjoy ME1. I will be sad if I feel that ME3 was a missed opportunity, but it will not in any way make me angry.

And it's not like I don't get the need to vent. This is actually me, venting. I just want this opinion to be present among the rest of them.

[MizzNaaa]

Gilsa wrote...

That chocolate picture is pure evil. =D

It is...Blame Sesh, she had Jho do it!

[FireEye]

Commander Kurt wrote...

I don't know what kind of expectations you guys have? To me, ME2 was a disappointment after playing ME1 but it's still one of my favourite games. It got a tonne of awards, and a lot of people really like it. I'm hoping that ME3 will be better, because I know that they have it in them, but reading on these forums you could easily get the impression that ME2 was an utter failure.

It wasn't. It took a direction I don't like, but it's not by any standard a bad game. I'm holding a candle for Kaidan as much as anyone here, but misspelling his name is not really a big deal to me. And I'm not in the optimist camp on this, I do feel that the VS will probably get some justice but I doubt that I will love ME3 as much as ME1.

Every game that Bioware makes will not be my favourite game of all time. I'm hoping that the next one will be, but if it isn't I'll still be free to enjoy ME1. I will be sad if I feel that ME3 was a missed opportunity, but it will not in any way make me angry.

And it's not like I don't get the need to vent. This is actually me, venting. I just want this opinion to be present among the rest of them.

Speaking as a gamer of over two decades with eclectic tastes, Mass Effect 2 wasn't a terrible game to me, it was simply a mediocre game.  It was the type of game I probably wouldn't have given a second glance on the store shelf if it hadn't had "Mass Effect" in the title (considering I'd played ME1 for the first time only in the month before picking up ME2 and had been happily playing over and over until I had the money to do so.)  What I was expecting was a continuation of the plot and characters, and I feel I got neither.  I still feel rather sad for what the Reapers could have been, but now aren't because someone was on an exposition binge.

The lack of Kaidan wasn't my problem with ME2.  I was bored its gameplay mechanics and disappointed with its lackluster story.  Horizon is still my favorite part of the game, since someone has to call Shep out on her plot-induced idiocy and I'm happy that it's Kaidan, in part because I get to see him, even if the writers seem to feel I should be disliking him because he's disagreeing with Shepard (and thus misguided/stupid/evil).

It kinda feels like someone dropped ME1 in my Happy Zone, then came back and said, "No, wait, we're sorry - this was meant for the gamers next door."

Yeah, I still have ME1.  And boy am I very happy about it.  Whenever I boot it up, I get this strange half-squee, half-sad (in a good way) at Vigil's theme and the pretty blue menu.  I've already disconn'ed ME2 from my Mass Effect experience, but I am curious (albeit morbidly so) to see where my favorite characters end up, even if I never play ME3 (which is likely).

If any of that makes any sense.

My expectations at this point is that Kaidan or Ashley will face off with Shepard and either take a bullet for her or take a bullet from her.  But who knows?  Maybe they'll be squadmates from the beginning and live long enough to abscond into the sunset with everybody else and it will be all rainbows and sunshine. 

[Jhourney]

Well, I lurk on the BSN for a reason, mainly because I adore BW's games. My adoration has gone down a few levels though, ever since DA+DLCs and ME2+DLCs. I'm here because I believe Mass Effect could be a great trilogy, with ME2 being the lesser episode of it all...like with most movies as well.
I still believe in a happy conclusion for Kaidan and Shepard, happy in my eyes anyway and will continue to do so until ME3 is released and then either that hope is shattered, or I'm squeeing like a little schoolgirl.

I do get negative at times, because the wait is long and has been even longer so even the tiniest of things gets to me. The fact that I care enough to get angry or sad, says enough. However, the way my favourite character is treated in DLCs, the comic and even ME2, upsets me and makes me fearful at times about what else is going to happen.

Other times I just shrug and tell myself ME2 isn't about the VS, it's an introduction of new characters...they are setting it all up for the grand finale. Even if the way they are setting it up doesn't agree with me, that's the way it is.
That every step Bioware makes is to push characters in the right directions to prepare for ME3 and even though some characters get pushed harder while others seem to fall behind, I think they will all be on the same level in the end.

All in all, spending this much time on the BSN has taught me not to accept everything coming out of the Bioware studios in blind faith. It took me a long time to purchase Kasumi, Overlord and LotSB, for example, while completely dismissing all other DLCs up for sale. Mostly because ME2 doesn't sit well with me for more than one reason, so I couldn't be bothered.

Is it the lack of Kaidan? I don't know ...part of it is, but ME2 just isn't up to BW standards....the standards I set for them mind you. So in the end, I needed to tone down my expectations and remind myself why I love their games to begin with. ME2 isn't a bad game and once I shifted my expectations it became a whole lot more enjoyable. Still, nowhere near as enjoyable as ME1, which I keep replaying as much as I replayed Baldur's Gate 2.

This is me being positive, I'm sure you'll see a ranting negative me further down the road again as well...it's the way of things...especially with the lack of Kaidan and stuff like the comic...though I'm dismissing the darn thing was ever made

Modifié par Jhosephine, 21 janvier 2011 - 01:53 .