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[BECC4]

I don't think the alliance will make Kaidan make any 'evil' choices, way I see it if the Reapers are destroying Earth the time for denying their existence has well and truely past, even the council I think have reached the point where they've ignored Shepard on so many occasions and been proved wrong that the will have to do something. ME3 isn't going to be about political BS and stonewalling, it's gonna be kicking the Reapers collective asses!

[fortunesque]

I think the best option would be going private and having no direct affiliations with any one group. Shepard can then use any connections (Cerberus, Alliance, geth, krogan, etc) to do what needs to be done. From what I've heard from people that have read the books, the Alliance and Cerberus don't appear to be as separate as they claim.



And honestly, I'm sick of the mess that affiliations and factions cause in the ME world. I'd rather fly under my own flag so that I can get the job done without having to worry about who I'm representing. I'm pretty sure that this will be the case in ME3.

[mineralica]

Surely, neither Alliance nor Council will make Kaidan do something evil (considering he already committed mutiny once)... unless he won't know how the things are really going. Remember renegade talk with Vasir - "it was Cerberus who bombed the buildings". Rather many events in ME2 may be presented as Shepard became completely insane and evil, and if someone really interested in making him to stop Shepard for the greater good, it's not that hard to perform. Remember Horizon - a little silence and disturbing rumours may do wonderful things, and Shepard still didn't explain him anything.

[Aslanasadi]

fortunesque wrote...

I think the best option would be going private and having no direct affiliations with any one group. Shepard can then use any connections (Cerberus, Alliance, geth, krogan, etc) to do what needs to be done. From what I've heard from people that have read the books, the Alliance and Cerberus don't appear to be as separate as they claim.

And honestly, I'm sick of the mess that affiliations and factions cause in the ME world. I'd rather fly under my own flag so that I can get the job done without having to worry about who I'm representing. I'm pretty sure that this will be the case in ME3.

I agree with this a 100%

[Melindil]

fortunesque wrote...

And honestly, I'm sick of the mess that affiliations and factions cause in the ME world. I'd rather fly under my own flag so that I can get the job done without having to worry about who I'm representing. I'm pretty sure that this will be the case in ME3.

Same.  I don't want to have to worry about filing paperwork when I could be doing something far more productive, like actually saving the damned galaxy.

[Nightodie]

I reference to the below- I am on iPhone & can't quote correctly- if new people come into the thread you can always direct them to the first 6 pages and ask them to read about the different takes on Horizon. They of course can then take us there again if their view is different. Hopefully we have, at this point, covered everything Horizon.

I still love you all!!!!

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Nightodie wrote...

TBH I am not doing Horizon. I don't do it. Both sides are right. Yes they are OOC and Yes he should have listened. Yes she should have had better lines and Yes she should have had the choice of not joining Cerberus. Yes he should feel that way. Yes she should feel that way. And because of all this, we have Fan Fic. (the link is in my sig)

That being said, I hope for some more Kaidan in ME3 and maybe something in the next DLC to tide us over. a limerick, a note, some Shadow Broker file or *gasp* an actual appearence.

We can dream....

QFT

I've had my fill of discussing Horizon for 2011 over the course of the first few pages of the new KAST thread and won't be going back there again.

You, too, huhn?  I haven't even posted in the new thread yet since I have no desire to revisit Horizon.  I said my piece in fic.

Totally understandable, but this topic will come up from time to time again, because there are new people joining this thread/discussion who haven't talked about Horizon yet and who would like to discuss it. Horizon is not really what people wished to see after playing ME1 and starting ME2....

That's fine.  Discuss it all you want.  I don't begrudge it.  I'll just be over here staring at Jho's pinups till y'all are done.
*pic snip*

What Sia said .
 
I know that people new to KAST want to discuss Horizon, I however am just Horizon’d out after seeing it discussed over and over on the KAST part 2 and will leave the discussion to those people that aren’t tired of it.
 
And I’ll be starring at Jho’s work as well in the meantime.

[Selenora]

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

[Shenzi]

Selenora wrote...

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

Nope, both of the Shepards that I actually have spent a lot of time thinking about from a RP PoV feel the same way.

[Selenora]

Brodyaha wrote...

Selenora wrote...

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

It depends on what Shepard I play.  One is brainwashed by Cerberus, a couple want to leave for the Alliance, one doesn't know what the heck he wants, and another wants to be independent.

Personally, I don't think the Alliance is the best organization, but Shepard enlisted; it was his/her career.  They're a lot better than Cerberus though.

I dont like to run errands for the Alliance but i dont have any problem hearing Hackett's voice
 Or TIM's ...i know....i know...im a traitor
but seriously, the Alliance is my home and i cant thing of being anywhere else....maybe i should pay more attention to roleplaying the game, making diferent choises but...i just cant

[Melindil]

Selenora wrote...

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

Oh, my Shepard is Allliance to the core.  She's just at the point where she wants to be able to do what she needs to do without being held back and if that means she's gonna have to fly solo, she'll do it.  Sometimes there's a point where, in order to do the right thing, you have to strike out on your own because no one will support you or listen to you and as of the end of ME2, my Shepard certainly seems to be at that point.  She would love to have the Alliance's support and will take it without question should it be offered, but she's not going to hold her breath.

But this is going a bit off-topic, so have a Kaidan.

[*Kioux*]

My version of Shepard has done everything for the Alliance. As Spacer, she grew up with as a part of it and on the Normandy she did everything the Alliance ever asked of her. She did her best to present the Alliance in a good light, to avert anything bad from it and she put Anderson on the Council, after sacrificing her fellow soldiers in the Battle of the Citadel.



The she died - and as far as I know, we don't even quite know if or how long the Alliance looked for her. They didn't even manage to put down the memorial at the crash site of the Normandy themselves. Instead Shepard is declared killed in action - which is true and correct but even after she reappears on the Citadel and talks to Anderson (in my case) she is never offered to return to the Alliance. They don't care to look into that entire Cerberus thing and so she's left to deal with everything on her own.

After Anderson's behavior before and after Horizon, my Shepard is pretty much fed up with it. She feels betrayed and left behind and so - even if we'd be offered the chance to return to the Alliance in any DLC or ME3, I don't think it'll happen for my little Commander.



It'll be difficult to fly her own banner, less financial support, less information and so on but it'll be a chance for her to act the way she thinks best, without having to justify her action.

She doesn't hate the Alliance - but she doesn't trust them as much as she used to, anymore.

[Aslanasadi]

Selenora wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

Selenora wrote...

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

It depends on what Shepard I play.  One is brainwashed by Cerberus, a couple want to leave for the Alliance, one doesn't know what the heck he wants, and another wants to be independent.

Personally, I don't think the Alliance is the best organization, but Shepard enlisted; it was his/her career.  They're a lot better than Cerberus though.

I dont like to run errands for the Alliance but i dont have any problem hearing Hackett's voice
 Or TIM's ...i know....i know...im a traitor
but seriously, the Alliance is my home and i cant thing of being anywhere else....maybe i should pay more attention to roleplaying the game, making diferent choises but...i just cant

Oh, I like to hear Hackett's voice, too  ...
And there are things I can't deal with either...lol...I should try from the roleplaying point to renegade Kaidan once, but I just can't do it...

[Jhourney]

Well since I like the idea of Kaidan turning into an Alliance liaison onboard the Normandy in ME3, my Shep can't rejoin the Alliance

Then again....a fully reinstated Shepard with Kaidan as her second in command on a Normandy sailing under the Alliance flag.....that would work too

Okay so I want Kaidan returning as squadmate...what gave it away?

Modifié par Jhosephine, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:56 .

[Selenora]

Aslanasadi wrote...

And there are things I can't deal with either...lol...I should try from the roleplaying point to renegade Kaidan once, but I just can't do it...

You know, I have played ME1 22 times and not once i renegated him...not once....propably from fear i may lose him choosing the wrong answers...but i WILL do it this time....I think....

[Chignon]

Brodyaha wrote...

We don't need to tell new people we won't discuss Horizon with them. That will just become pages that consist of posts of, "Refer back to pages 1-6 from the beginning of the thread, here's what we think." I understand if some people are too tired to discuss it, but we still have a year to wait for ME3. I think a lot of topics were hit several months ago.  Heck, they were probably already talked to death when I showed up six months ago.  But what's a discussion thread for if not discussion?

I think, like we all do in the thread, we can choose not to comment on things, or we can. It depends on what we feel like discussing. And if there are several day lulls in the thread, then it shouldn't be a big deal.

I agree completely with you, Brody!

Selenora wrote...

Is it only me who is Alliance to the bone?

No, but I also agree with fort - it'd be nice to see Shepard finally working on her/his own.

[Star]

Sialater wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

TBH I am not doing Horizon. I don't do it. Both sides are right. Yes they are OOC and Yes he should have listened. Yes she should have had better lines and Yes she should have had the choice of not joining Cerberus. Yes he should feel that way. Yes she should feel that way. And because of all this, we have Fan Fic. (the link is in my sig)

That being said, I hope for some more Kaidan in ME3 and maybe something in the next DLC to tide us over. a limerick, a note, some Shadow Broker file or *gasp* an actual appearence.

We can dream....

QFT

I've had my fill of discussing Horizon for 2011 over the course of the first few pages of the new KAST thread and won't be going back there again.

You, too, huhn?  I haven't even posted in the new thread yet since I have no desire to revisit Horizon.  I said my piece in fic.

What Sia and Shenzi said.  And I wasn't even willing to visit Horizon in fic (you're braver than I am Sia!).  My stories pick up after the Collector base.  

[Star]

Chignon wrote...

Brodyaha wrote...

We don't need to tell new people we won't discuss Horizon with them. That will just become pages that consist of posts of, "Refer back to pages 1-6 from the beginning of the thread, here's what we think." I understand if some people are too tired to discuss it, but we still have a year to wait for ME3. I think a lot of topics were hit several months ago.  Heck, they were probably already talked to death when I showed up six months ago.  But what's a discussion thread for if not discussion?

I think, like we all do in the thread, we can choose not to comment on things, or we can. It depends on what we feel like discussing. And if there are several day lulls in the thread, then it shouldn't be a big deal.

I agree completely with you, Brody!

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I haven't posted in this thread much lately for any number of reasons and one of them is precisely because there are things that are "ok" to discuss and things that are not.    It seems to me that we're all entitled to opinions and to expressing them. Otherwise it's not a discussion, its a dictatorship.  And part of any discussion is dissent and even distaste for the topic -- i.e., some what to discuss a certain topic and others say they are tired of discussing it.   The biggest reason I don't engage in this thread much anymore is precisely because it is not ok to say anything that the majority of posters at the time don't agree with. 

Horizon was a manipulative plot device to me.  Didn't do much for either character.  However, I am looking forward to seeing Kaidan in ME3!  And I'm hopeful that he'll be a party member.  And most of my Sheps are loyal to the Alliance and would like to go back.

[leggywillow]

The only problem with Shepard being independent is resources.  Yes, she has the ship she stole if you go that route in ME2 but keeping a warship fueled, keeping the crew paid and fed, and keeping equipment maintained wouldn't be cheap.  The Alliance handled these behind-the-scenes expenses in ME1 and Cerberus did in ME2.  If Shep does go solo for ME3, finding money for expenses would realistically cut into her saving-the-galaxy time pretty significantly.

Of course, ME3 will be a video game and probably won't worry about details like that. 

I like the idea of Kaidan being an Alliance liason on the SR2.  That's how I always imagine him returning.



"Okay, let's settle this rationally.  Whoever blinks first has to go with the other one, no questions asked."

[DWH1982]

I'm glad to see the discussion turning away from Horizon.  It surprises me, but I'm tired of talking about Horizon as well.

As for the new discussion - I'd love for Shepard to be able to return to the Alliance in ME3.  I hated the fact that I had to work for Cerberus in ME2.  I do think there are a lot of indications that the Alliance and Cerberus aren't as separate as we might like to think, but that shouldn't surprise us either - Kohoku describes them in ME1 as an Alliance Black Ops agency that decided to leave the reservation.  It's quite possible that Cerberus was at least nominally under Alliance command until ME1, even if there were things (like election rigging and killing members of Parliament) that higher ups in the Alliance likely were not aware of.  It's very possible that Cerberus may not have split away from the Alliance as much as we thought, that there may be some blurred lines between them and Alliance military command.

That said, I think the Alliance and the Council are still preferable to Cerberus.  Yes, neither are perfect, but both at least have civilian governments and rules in place to promote accountability, rather than operating entirely out of the shadows.  The Council may have resorted to some underhanded things in the past, but they also pushed the Citadel Accords to regulate/ban WMDs, and at least make a limited effort at promoting unity, decency, and rights within their territory.  My Shepard appreciates that, and feels more comfortable  with it.

I suspect it might be best if ME3 gave some kind of choice between going with the Alliance, going with Cerberus, or going independent, though, given the range of opinions people seem to have.  Which raises a potential topic for discussion: 

If Shepard goes back to the Alliance in ME3, it should be easy for her to convince Kaidan to join her.  However, how do you think she should go about convincing Kaidan to join if she goes independent, or if she sticks with Cerberus?

Modifié par DWH1982, 09 janvier 2011 - 07:37 .

[CroGamer002]

Nightodie wrote...

And everyone knows how I feel, but just in case ... I ain't going there!!!

*snip*

(and this belongs to one of our Artists, meonlyred)

Kaidan might be one of the least characters I like, but at least I liked him!




Fact#1 2/3( 4th one planned once comic DLC is released) romanced Kaidan and olny one will be with Kaidan in ME3. This one is not one of them

Fact#2 One that will be loyal to him is not loyal. Romanced with Thane but he died during Suicide Mission.

Modifié par Mesina2, 09 janvier 2011 - 07:53 .

[Nightodie]

Brodyaha wrote...

We don't need to tell new people we won't discuss Horizon with them. That will just become pages that consist of posts of, "Refer back to pages 1-6 from the beginning of the thread, here's what we think." I understand if some people are too tired to discuss it, but we still have a year to wait for ME3. I think a lot of topics were hit several months ago.  Heck, they were probably already talked to death when I showed up six months ago.  But what's a discussion thread for if not discussion?

I think, like we all do in the thread, we can choose not to comment on things, or we can. It depends on what we feel like discussing. And if there are several day lulls in the thread, then it shouldn't be a big deal.

I did not mean that it shouldn't be discussed Brody, I am sorry if you misunderstood me.  I only meant that if we refered them to the first six pages they would be able to see the diverse views and that way feel that their view whether the same or different was just as welcome. 

Of course people are going to discuss Horizon, but having a place that is easily to refer to will make it possible for them to see what the people that won't be joining in an another discussion have said.  As several have pointed out, they wouldn't be joining in on the next discussion, should their views be ignored, I think not.  I did not participate (just in my usual way of posting a picture), but I think that every view has merit.  Should new people not know what Sia, Shenzi or I think, just because we don't want to discuss it again, I don't think so.  I for one like the idea that there is a place that new people can refer to and then maybe quote one of the posts and ask the poster, or someone else around what they think about it.

I know what a discussion thread is for Brody, but I am thinking about how much someone can miss if they don't experience what we have already talked about.  I think being able to point to the pages where the last discussion was is good.  How many people come into the thread saying 'I am sorry if this was discussed before, but I don't know where to look"  I am just saying, now we know where they can look.

  Who knows, they might have a new view of the quoted post that we had never thought about that might make us think better of Horizon.

Far fetched I know, but it's possible.

[BECC4]

I'm alliance through and through my ideal would be what Jho said, back with the alliance, Kaidan my second in command and permanent squadmate ;-)



I just don't think logistically it would be feasible to take on the Reaper army solo, I know, I know there's gonna be alliances between other species etc but as leggywillow said there would be too many limitations to ship maintenance etc without being affiliated to a group and of the choices I'd take alliance/council over Cerberus any day of the week.

[fortunesque]

So, if Horizon comes up and people don't want to talk about it, then just wait until the subject changes. That's what I do and it takes little to no effort. It's not like the thread is going off topic. But to block people with "I don't want to talk about this" could really make some people not want to come back. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular since you're all my friends and I don't want to step on toes, but it's just good thread etiquette...