ravene wrote...
hello everyone been awol for a while been a bad year but im fianly getting back to playing again and trying to get cought up with what all has been going on after reading the last couple pages i need to replay me1 again defently miss kaidan more now..
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jeweledleah wrote...
on a different note, I have to stop looking through some of the fanart :/ how the heck do you go from: "I tried to defend a girl I liked from an abusive instructor whom I killed in self defense, and the experience taught me to see turians as individuals instead of the race to hate" to "I killed a turian to proved to the girl that I loved her and I hate all turians and will kill them because I cannot control myself" ???
/rant
Cypher0020 wrote...
Ok I have a question
If you could invite Kaidan up to the SR2, what would you want him to say?
also a small nitpick.... WHY does Kaidan's email sound worse than Ash's?!
Especially the IIlos part! Did it mean a lot to her? YES!
) had a lot of trouble with personal conversations (no trouble with actions though )
Cypher0020 wrote...
Ok I have a question
If you could invite Kaidan up to the SR2, what would you want him to say?
Modifié par meonlyred, 02 février 2011 - 04:46 .
Cypher0020 wrote...
Well Ash's letter sounded romantic... and Kaidan mentions that he hopes Ilos meant as much to Shep as it did for him... to me, it sounded like he automatically assumed Shep ended the relationship or something.....
I didn't feel any resolution from that letter.... like the gap had been widened between them...
Modifié par Nightodie, 02 février 2011 - 05:01 .
FireEye wrote...
Cypher0020 wrote...
Well Ash's letter sounded romantic... and Kaidan mentions that he hopes Ilos meant as much to Shep as it did for him... to me, it sounded like he automatically assumed Shep ended the relationship or something.....
I didn't feel any resolution from that letter.... like the gap had been widened between them...
*shrug?* You can read it in different ways. Kaidan may be a romantic at heart, but he doesn't have the practice. The way I read it, he's laying everything on the line (in the adorable, if utterly awkward way that is Kaidan's attempt at interpersonal relationships) and leaving a way out... not for himself, but for Shepard.
Horizon is also meant to give a reason for people wanting to move on to the new LI's. The letters are intentionally vague on account of that. You can take it however you want, depending on how you want to roleplay your Shepard(s).
My Shepard considers the relationship over when she learned she'd been dead for two years (never mind that she doesn't know whether she's a clone or some kind of cyberhorror or the same "soul" or whatall). She'd hoped he'd moved on. That said, her reaction to the letter was essentially, "*facepalm*" because he sent it to Cerberus, who is probably reading her mail.
I liked it, though. Better than the absolute silence over three DLC.
"Big place"Cypher0020 wrote...
If you could invite Kaidan up to the SR2, what would you want him to say?
I agree, I always think guys who hate him, hate him for all the wrong reasons, immaturity, jealousy + the fact that he is gorgeous, they hate that women swoon over him (I think they are the ones who lost sight of the fact that he is only a game character and no threat in the real worldmeonlyred wrote...
One word: Haters. They feel emasculated by him and therefore must hate him. At least that is how my mind sees it.
I won't completely stop looking at fanart. There is some very talented artists out there. If you want to find a lot of pro-Kaidan art, I suggest this site. Also Night does a great job keeping track of artists and writers on the KAAS.
) Kaidan suffers the same kind of hate that people like Marilyn Monroe and Brad Pitt get. Women hated Marilyn cos they knew their husbands/boyfriends would watch her and imagine being with her, same goes for Brad. No one wants to think their loved ones are ogling someone else and thinking about *that*. For insecure people it can be too much. Of course some people are just idiots and feel threatened by virtual men................................. 
Kaidan is just 'one of the good guys', whereas Garrus is constantly conflicted by his desire to see justice done thrown into sharp relief by the whole 'by any means necessary', concept. Garrus second guesses himself and makes morally grey choices where Kaidan doesn't, Kaidan is led by a very definite moral compass.mineralica wrote...
It's exciting to see how people tend to interpret the same facts in opposite way (see "I hate Garrus" thread for example). What for one is "sensible" for another is "undecisive" or even "cowardly"; it depends mostly on what is expected from person. Unfortunately, many gamers evaluate character from "kool psycho badass" position, so when it comes to Kaidan, they are disappointed - he's from type of guys I clearly see as "lawful good ruler" than superman shooting from grenade launcher at each hand.
It is certainly interesting to see how other people view though, I agree!
Jenova65 wrote...
Kaidan is just 'one of the good guys', whereas Garrus is constantly conflicted by his desire to see justice done thrown into sharp relief by the whole 'by any means necessary', concept. Garrus second guesses himself and makes morally grey choices where Kaidan doesn't, Kaidan is led by a very definite moral compass.mineralica wrote...
It's exciting to see how people tend to interpret the same facts in opposite way (see "I hate Garrus" thread for example). What for one is "sensible" for another is "undecisive" or even "cowardly"; it depends mostly on what is expected from person. Unfortunately, many gamers evaluate character from "kool psycho badass" position, so when it comes to Kaidan, they are disappointed - he's from type of guys I clearly see as "lawful good ruler" than superman shooting from grenade launcher at each hand.
For example Garrus side mission - Dr 'Heart' - Garrus would have risked civilians to stop him, hell even the first meeting with Garrus he thoughtlessly puts the doctor at risk. He isn't a bad guy, he is good guy caught up in an overwhelming (sometimes blinding) need to catch the bad guy.
Kaidan would never do this ^ ....... He just wouldn't. There is no way his character could reconcile that kind of choice he is of the mindset that better to let ten guilty men go than to imprison or kill one innocent man...
This is why I like him and I guess from the flip side why some people like Garrus, I think we see things in the characters that we identify with and that is what triggers preferences
Ranirav wrote...
In some ways I feel that Garrus is the (very) renegade version of Kaidan. Their methods and philosophy might be different, but they're both idealistic and good at heart. I see very much the control issue in Garrus as well.
My FemShep tends to act like Kaidan (paragon), feel like Garrus (renegade), and most of the time get stuck somewhere inbetween (neutral). More or less.
This is at least the semi-official reason why I too like them both
) ). He doens't talk to his crew much when playing, so he never got the Brain Camp story out of Kaidan, but when I told him the gist of it, it actualy made him respect Kaidan's character more whiny wussy guys don't kill in self defence or step between people they care about and someone who's much bigger and stronger then them.Modifié par jeweledleah, 02 février 2011 - 04:36 .
jeweledleah wrote...
I like both of them as well and I actually think Garrus and Kaidan become good friends eventually. Kaidan is open to Garrus from the very beginning and if you listen to all the conversations they have in elevators and otherwise, they seem to work off each other really well. (but then I don't see Kaidan NOT getting along with people alien or otherwise, he might not grow close to some of them, but he's far to nice a guy to antagonize them outright, even Wrex
On Horizon he's just as angry at seeing Garrus with Cerberus as he is Shepard, because deep down, he and Garrus share a lot of the same idealism and good intentions, Kaidan is just more cautious and thoughtful, but Garrus is a Turian, and a younger one at that, so there are also cultural differences at play.
Modifié par jeweledleah, 02 février 2011 - 04:45 .
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