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[Sialater]

jeweledleah wrote...

hmm, I think Tali would make him very thoughtful. After all if she can trust Shepard despite Cerberus's attack on Flotila, then there really must be something more going on between scenes, though Tali is also younger and a lot more hero worshipy then Kaidan ever was. Being exposed to Wrex I think made him understand Krogans more, so he's more likely to accept the violent nature of Krogan fights for dominance, not to mention Wrex doesn't really ally himself with terrorists to rise to power.

Liara..I think he'd be angry with her. about as angry as he was with Shepard. after all, its Liara's fault that Shepard ended up with Cerberus in a first place, however...he would also realize that Shepard wasn't lying and eventually come to be very grateful to Liara's intervention.

I think Kaidan would end up learning a lot more about shades of gray then he already knows. Especially when someone reminds him on that little piece of mutiny that he committed when hunting for Saren. He's already showing just how conflicted he is in his letter, because he's trying to reconcile what he knows about Cerberus and what he knows about Shepard (I still don't think that at that point he believes that Shepard didn't fake her death, but at the same time, he knows that she wasn't officially sanctioned to go undercover either) and btw, his immediate anger at Cerberus association shows just how similar to Garrus he can be, when he loses control

gah, am I over analyzing?

Nope.  That's what we're here for, isn't it?

That and pictures like this:

Modifié par Sialater, 02 février 2011 - 04:48 .

[Melindil]

With Wrex, I think Kaidan may not necessarily agree with some of the actions he may have had to take to get to his current position. However, he would recognize Wrex's reasons for engaging in whatever behaviors he had to (especially considering krogan culture and norms, which I think Kaidan would acknowledge) and would understand and approve of the fact that Wrex is doing it for the good of his people and not for some sort of selfish, power-hungry ambition.

I can see him being concerned about Liara. Even after what she has seen in the past two years, she's still young and still a bit immature and I think Kaidan would worry that she would end up getting swept away in the power and not think through the consequences of her actions.

Tali... I'm not really sure. I think he might be a bit surprised that she chose to leave the Flotilla after her pilgrimage to join Shepard, but at the same time, I think he would understand the sort of loyalty Shepard inspires in others and he would recognize that Tali has an inherent desire to do good. What better way to serve the Flotilla than to help save the galaxy?.

Modifié par Melindil, 02 février 2011 - 04:52 .

[Joisan]

Batteries wrote...

"I'd like that."

This   I may or may not have quoted this to Sam in a particular conversation

[RGC_Ines]

Do You think, that if Shepard started new romance in ME2, will Kaidan continue his relationship with doctor in ME3?

What kind of " punishment" will Devs give us in ME3 if we aren't " loyal" to ME1 LI's ?

Do You think ( or You want) there will be a DLC about Kaidan/Ash before ME3 relase date, so we will be able to resolve ME1 LI problems like we had a chance with Liara in LotSB?

[Nightodie]

Hello Everyone I am here to announce New Prompt for the:

Kaidan Alenko Prompt Project

Our winner:

Okay, me

Has decided that we should write or draw about:

Well, Red reminded me that it is the month of love. I couldn’t think of anything better. Then I was talking to Siri, and told her (whining of course) we already did presents (for Christmas). So I finally thought of something that might work, in an odd way.

Kaidan or Shepard is/are trying to find a way to spend Valentine’s day alone. Follow one of them (or both of them) for a bit, where, no matter how hard they try, nothing goes right.


Remember you do not have to be a KAAS Author or Artist to participate. You just have to have an idea and write it or draw it and submit it. Only rule is it has to follow that week's prompt. You can talk about the prompts there too! You also do not have to submit an idea to vote ... All voters are welcome. Just look at the posts and pick you favorite and send it to me. The more that vote the more mail for me ... YAY!!!

So everyone, get out there and start Creating. Don't forget to send me the link!!!

Let's go!!!!

Modifié par Nightodie, 02 février 2011 - 06:53 .

[Sialater]

I can just imagine that for Avery. I'll see what the muse has in store.

[mineralica]

About reaction on former squadmates:

Tali - understand that Shepard may use her influence and past good relationship to get Tali in situation she would try to avoid in clear mind, so Tali will become a "victim". Considering that Shepard finally abandons Cerberus, he would be glad everything ended up good. If not abandoned...

Wrex - well, Kaidan and Wrex are my usual party, so I believe they ended up rather understanding to each other.

Liara - the one I really looking forward to see. If one of the most painful moments was Shepard not telling she was alive, I expect shock when he'll found out Shepard really couldn't contact him, but Liara knew everything all this time. Plus, considering her new role and changes, Kaidan may be very concerned about "cutting corners" and "not become that we fight against"

[Jenova65]

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

mineralica wrote...

It's exciting to see how people tend to interpret the same facts in opposite way (see "I hate Garrus" thread for example). What for one is "sensible" for another is "undecisive" or even "cowardly"; it depends mostly on what is expected from person. Unfortunately, many gamers evaluate character from "kool psycho badass" position, so when it comes to Kaidan, they are disappointed - he's from type of guys I clearly see as "lawful good ruler" than superman shooting from grenade launcher at each hand.

Kaidan is just 'one of the good guys', whereas Garrus is constantly conflicted by his desire to see justice done thrown into sharp relief by the whole 'by any means necessary', concept. Garrus second guesses himself and makes morally grey choices where Kaidan doesn't, Kaidan is led by a very definite moral compass.
For example Garrus side mission - Dr 'Heart' - Garrus would have risked civilians to stop him, hell even the first meeting with Garrus he thoughtlessly puts the doctor at risk. He isn't a bad guy, he is good guy caught up in an overwhelming (sometimes blinding) need to catch the bad guy.
Kaidan would never do this  ^ ....... He just wouldn't. There is no way his character could reconcile that kind of choice he is of the mindset that better to let ten guilty men go than to imprison or kill one innocent man...
This is why I like him and I guess from the flip side why some people like Garrus, I think we see things in the characters that we identify with and that is what triggers preferences  It is certainly interesting to see how other people view though, I agree!

Hmmm.... explain to me then why I like both?  :innocent:

I like them both, I wasn't trying to imply that they are mutually exclusive in any way  Far from it, in fact....
Possibly Garrus is the way many of us would like to be but Kaidan is the way we are from a level headed perspective.
You watch some terrible things on the news and wish there was justice, but in the real world how many of us could actually (for example) risk the life of an innocent person to halt a guilty one?
Two sides of one coin, if you will 

[Sialater]

Jenova65 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

mineralica wrote...

It's exciting to see how people tend to interpret the same facts in opposite way (see "I hate Garrus" thread for example). What for one is "sensible" for another is "undecisive" or even "cowardly"; it depends mostly on what is expected from person. Unfortunately, many gamers evaluate character from "kool psycho badass" position, so when it comes to Kaidan, they are disappointed - he's from type of guys I clearly see as "lawful good ruler" than superman shooting from grenade launcher at each hand.

Kaidan is just 'one of the good guys', whereas Garrus is constantly conflicted by his desire to see justice done thrown into sharp relief by the whole 'by any means necessary', concept. Garrus second guesses himself and makes morally grey choices where Kaidan doesn't, Kaidan is led by a very definite moral compass.
For example Garrus side mission - Dr 'Heart' - Garrus would have risked civilians to stop him, hell even the first meeting with Garrus he thoughtlessly puts the doctor at risk. He isn't a bad guy, he is good guy caught up in an overwhelming (sometimes blinding) need to catch the bad guy.
Kaidan would never do this  ^ ....... He just wouldn't. There is no way his character could reconcile that kind of choice he is of the mindset that better to let ten guilty men go than to imprison or kill one innocent man...
This is why I like him and I guess from the flip side why some people like Garrus, I think we see things in the characters that we identify with and that is what triggers preferences  It is certainly interesting to see how other people view though, I agree!

Hmmm.... explain to me then why I like both?  :innocent:

I like them both, I wasn't trying to imply that they are mutually exclusive in any way  Far from it, in fact....
Possibly Garrus is the way many of us would like to be but Kaidan is the way we are from a level headed perspective.
You watch some terrible things on the news and wish there was justice, but in the real world how many of us could actually (for example) risk the life of an innocent person to halt a guilty one?
Two sides of one coin, if you will 

I agree with you, I was just being absurd.

[Jenova65]

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

mineralica wrote...

It's exciting to see how people tend to interpret the same facts in opposite way (see "I hate Garrus" thread for example). What for one is "sensible" for another is "undecisive" or even "cowardly"; it depends mostly on what is expected from person. Unfortunately, many gamers evaluate character from "kool psycho badass" position, so when it comes to Kaidan, they are disappointed - he's from type of guys I clearly see as "lawful good ruler" than superman shooting from grenade launcher at each hand.

Kaidan is just 'one of the good guys', whereas Garrus is constantly conflicted by his desire to see justice done thrown into sharp relief by the whole 'by any means necessary', concept. Garrus second guesses himself and makes morally grey choices where Kaidan doesn't, Kaidan is led by a very definite moral compass.
For example Garrus side mission - Dr 'Heart' - Garrus would have risked civilians to stop him, hell even the first meeting with Garrus he thoughtlessly puts the doctor at risk. He isn't a bad guy, he is good guy caught up in an overwhelming (sometimes blinding) need to catch the bad guy.
Kaidan would never do this  ^ ....... He just wouldn't. There is no way his character could reconcile that kind of choice he is of the mindset that better to let ten guilty men go than to imprison or kill one innocent man...
This is why I like him and I guess from the flip side why some people like Garrus, I think we see things in the characters that we identify with and that is what triggers preferences  It is certainly interesting to see how other people view though, I agree!

Hmmm.... explain to me then why I like both?  :innocent:

I like them both, I wasn't trying to imply that they are mutually exclusive in any way  Far from it, in fact....
Possibly Garrus is the way many of us would like to be but Kaidan is the way we are from a level headed perspective.
You watch some terrible things on the news and wish there was justice, but in the real world how many of us could actually (for example) risk the life of an innocent person to halt a guilty one?
Two sides of one coin, if you will 

I agree with you, I was just being absurd.

Ah, stupid internet and the inability to convey humour............................... <_<

[meonlyred]

I'm really looking forward to Kaidan's interactions with the crew in ME3. I expect there to be some high emotions. Maybe a few arguments, that Shepard will have to break up. I can almost see Garrus saying that Kaidan and by extension the Alliance abandon her when she need him the most. They are both 'good guys' but different enough that tenses might fly when it came to sensitive subjects, mainly Shepard.

Which for the record, I love Garrus he is my favorite right after Kaidan. Though I hate the fact he is now a LI. I like it better that Shepard was mentoring him or at least his best friend more then any romantic relationship.

Miranda and Kaidan would be another good one. She changes a lot during ME2, going from a ice queen to a much more reasonable if not less strong person. I really don't know how they will react to each other. But heads over idealism? Loyalties? Or will there be more of a kindred spirit?

Liara and Kaidan might be intense to. My big thing with her is why she didn't tell him about Shepard. Did she try and he didn't listen? Could it have been a jealously thing? Was Kaidan already sent on classified assignments and Liara couldn't send word? I don't really see her doing it to be cold and callous. Just something to think about.

But the I want to see is Kaidan and Joker. I really want to know if Kaidan blames/blamed Joker for Shepard's death and now her connection to Cerberus. I don't see Kaidan being mad at him, exactly. Maybe just upset. Or would he be thankful that Joker kept her safe during her fight with the Collectors. *Thinks of Joker's epic moment with an assault rifle* xD

As much as I want to see a VS DLC. I half think that the reunion with the VS might be a story driver, romantic or not.

Modifié par meonlyred, 02 février 2011 - 11:01 .

[Chignon]

meonlyred wrote...

I'm really looking forward to Kaidan's interactions with the crew in ME3. I expect there to be some high emotions. Maybe a few arguments, that Shepard will have to break up. I can almost see Garrus saying that Kaidan and by extension the Alliance abandon her when she need him the most. They are both 'good guys' but different enough that tenses might fly when it came to sensitive subjects, mainly Shepard. 

I, personally, do not want to see two squadmates fighting over Shepard and the question of "Who abandoned who?"

That is, at least in my opinion, something that should stay solely between Kaidan and Shepard. I would not like to see someone comment on such a delicate situation - especially if the person in question quite possibly has no clue what exactly was going on between them and Kaidan and Shepard may not have spoken about it themselves yet.

(This may also be due to the fact that I disliked the way the confrontation between the squadmates was handled in ME2 in general. The Warden in DA:O never had to play nanny with Alistair and Morrigan even though they both clearly couldn't stand each other.)

meonlyred wrote...

Liara and Kaidan might be intense to. My big thing with her is why she didn't tell him about Shepard. Did she try and he didn't listen? Could it have been a jealously thing? Was Kaidan already sent on classified assignments and Liara couldn't send word? I don't really see her doing it to be cold and callous. Just something to think about.
 

I agree. This would be very interesting to see.

[sesheta255]

My opinion on the difference between Kaidan and Garrus is that Kaidan has his act together, he knows who he is, what he wants, and where he's going and doesn't have to compromise his ideals to get there.  He doesn't need Shepard to fix him or do anything for him.  Garrus on the other hand reminds me of a petulant child, who packs up his bat & ball when he can't do things his own way.  He believes that his way is right and everyone around him is just trying to hinder him, regardless of the fact that others in C-Sec have more experience than he does.  He needs Shepard to lead him by the hand constantly otherwise he loses his way.
*these are just my observations and personal opinions and not meant to offend*

As for squad interaction, I would be surprised if there was much next time around given that Shepard could barely speak to the people that knew her from her old crew.  If Kaidan is a squadmate, I don't expect too much in the way of interaction or comments with other squadmembers, lol

[fortunesque]

sesheta255 wrote...

My opinion on the difference between Kaidan and Garrus is that Kaidan has his act together, he knows who he is, what he wants, and where he's going and doesn't have to compromise his ideals to get there.  He doesn't need Shepard to fix him or do anything for him.  Garrus on the other hand reminds me of a petulant child, who packs up his bat & ball when he can't do things his own way.  He believes that his way is right and everyone around him is just trying to hinder him, regardless of the fact that others in C-Sec have more experience than he does.  He needs Shepard to lead him by the hand constantly otherwise he loses his way.
*these are just my observations and personal opinions and not meant to offend*

As for squad interaction, I would be surprised if there was much next time around given that Shepard could barely speak to the people that knew her from her old crew.  If Kaidan is a squadmate, I don't expect too much in the way of interaction or comments with other squadmembers, lol

Agreed. Kaidan and Garrus are complete opposites IMO. Lawful good as opposed to chaotic good. 

[Jenova65]

I am still hoping they implement a DA:O type interaction with team mates, you're never alone with party banter and it really aids immersion to hear your team getting on, or not as the case may be. For example a Miranda/Jack combination could drive Shepard insane with the bickering.

Of course it is important that they don't just transplant the concept, but rather tailor it to fit ME, iyswim?

For me it makes me feel they are more human hearing them talk and given that this type of game tends to be a solitary experience it is nice to hear people chatting.....

[Jenova65]

fortunesque wrote...

sesheta255 wrote...

My opinion on the difference between Kaidan and Garrus is that Kaidan has his act together, he knows who he is, what he wants, and where he's going and doesn't have to compromise his ideals to get there.  He doesn't need Shepard to fix him or do anything for him.  Garrus on the other hand reminds me of a petulant child, who packs up his bat & ball when he can't do things his own way.  He believes that his way is right and everyone around him is just trying to hinder him, regardless of the fact that others in C-Sec have more experience than he does.  He needs Shepard to lead him by the hand constantly otherwise he loses his way.
*these are just my observations and personal opinions and not meant to offend*

As for squad interaction, I would be surprised if there was much next time around given that Shepard could barely speak to the people that knew her from her old crew.  If Kaidan is a squadmate, I don't expect too much in the way of interaction or comments with other squadmembers, lol

Agreed. Kaidan and Garrus are complete opposites IMO. Lawful good as opposed to chaotic good. 

I was kind of saying this in my post, I just worded it differently  And I am aware that there are a lot of Garrus fans who are on here who also love Kaidan (and vice versa) and was trying to put it in the most diplomatic way I could..... lol!

[jeweledleah]

I think with Garrus its more of a "follow the instincts" thing while with Kaidan its follow the observations, which is why he gets so angry on Horizon in view of all the evidence and is otherwise very tentative in his interactions with Shepard, while Garrus accepts Shepard despite the evidence.

Both of them got burned, but they reacted very differently to it. Kaidan is almost afraid to trust his instincts, while Garrus allows them to take over. Kaidan might not need fixing, but he definitely needs someone to get him to relax



I would love it if there was a confrontation between Liara and Kaidan in ME3, but I wouldn't want it to be a complete cut scene but rather something similar to conversation Shepard has with Jenkins and Dr. Chakwas at the beginning of ME1 - you can participate and sort of guide the conversation and possibly either mend relationship between Liara and Kaidan or break it irrevocably. actualy....this could be great! do you chose your love, or do you chose information source that will help you defeat the reapers? if you chose Kaidan/Ashley - you lose Liara's support (which will not make you lose the game, but will certainly result in some casualties you might have been able to avoid?), and if you chose duty over feelings, you lose any possibility of further romantic relationship with VS? and maybe if your persuasive enough (and you'd have to be very persuasive) you can manage to tentatively keep both...possibly. just a thought

[Shenzi]

Jenova65 wrote...

I am still hoping they implement a DA:O type interaction with team mates, you're never alone with party banter and it really aids immersion to hear your team getting on, or not as the case may be. For example a Miranda/Jack combination could drive Shepard insane with the bickering.
Of course it is important that they don't just transplant the concept, but rather tailor it to fit ME, iyswim?
For me it makes me feel they are more human hearing them talk and given that this type of game tends to be a solitary experience it is nice to hear people chatting.....

I would love to see this as well.

I replayed DAO over and over varying the members of the group just to hear all the different dialogue.

[Jenova65]

jeweledleah wrote...

I think with Garrus its more of a "follow the instincts" thing while with Kaidan its follow the observations, which is why he gets so angry on Horizon in view of all the evidence and is otherwise very tentative in his interactions with Shepard, while Garrus accepts Shepard despite the evidence.
Both of them got burned, but they reacted very differently to it. Kaidan is almost afraid to trust his instincts, while Garrus allows them to take over. Kaidan might not need fixing, but he definitely needs someone to get him to relax

I would love it if there was a confrontation between Liara and Kaidan in ME3, but I wouldn't want it to be a complete cut scene but rather something similar to conversation Shepard has with Jenkins and Dr. Chakwas at the beginning of ME1 - you can participate and sort of guide the conversation and possibly either mend relationship between Liara and Kaidan or break it irrevocably. actualy....this could be great! do you chose your love, or do you chose information source that will help you defeat the reapers? if you chose Kaidan/Ashley - you lose Liara's support (which will not make you lose the game, but will certainly result in some casualties you might have been able to avoid?), and if you chose duty over feelings, you lose any possibility of further romantic relationship with VS? and maybe if your persuasive enough (and you'd have to be very persuasive) you can manage to tentatively keep both...possibly. just a thought

I'm torn between making a smutty comment here or just waiting for the inevitable landslide of smut to roll in.... 
ETA - Though I don't want any more choices like Virmire tbh, it has been done and doesn't need any repeating!
I don't think there is a need to have that kind of consequence, I wouldn't mind having to find the info a different way though........................ But I don't think Liara is that petty and neither is Kaidan, even if Shepard is in the middle both have the capacity to see the bigger picture, imo! 

Modifié par Jenova65, 03 février 2011 - 12:49 .

[meonlyred]

jeweledleah wrote...

I would love it if there was a confrontation between Liara and Kaidan in ME3, but I wouldn't want it to be a complete cut scene but rather something similar to conversation Shepard has with Jenkins and Dr. Chakwas at the beginning of ME1 - you can participate and sort of guide the conversation and possibly either mend relationship between Liara and Kaidan or break it irrevocably. actualy....this could be great! do you chose your love, or do you chose information source that will help you defeat the reapers? if you chose Kaidan/Ashley - you lose Liara's support (which will not make you lose the game, but will certainly result in some casualties you might have been able to avoid?), and if you chose duty over feelings, you lose any possibility of further romantic relationship with VS? and maybe if your persuasive enough (and you'd have to be very persuasive) you can manage to tentatively keep both...possibly. just a thought

I could see them doing something like that. It might play out like the Tali vs Legion or Miranda vs Jack scenes, with a paragon, neutral, renegade, heroic paragon, or intimidating renegade.
Hell I would like to see more simple squad banter. I kind of miss the elevators for that solo reason.

[Jenova65]

Shenzi wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I am still hoping they implement a DA:O type interaction with team mates, you're never alone with party banter and it really aids immersion to hear your team getting on, or not as the case may be. For example a Miranda/Jack combination could drive Shepard insane with the bickering.
Of course it is important that they don't just transplant the concept, but rather tailor it to fit ME, iyswim?
For me it makes me feel they are more human hearing them talk and given that this type of game tends to be a solitary experience it is nice to hear people chatting.....

I would love to see this as well.

I replayed DAO over and over varying the members of the group just to hear all the different dialogue.

Sometimes I just ran around waiting for them to talk 

[jeweledleah]

@Jenova LOL, god damn it, now I'm seeing the revisit of original Liara/Kaidan/Shep confrontation except Liara and Shep are not letting Kaidan leave this time and..."persuade" him O_O



@Meonlyred - I know what you mean, that elevator banter was awesome (as long as they keep an option of faster transit for those who do not wish to hear the banter...I'm thinking about people like my hubby who got annoyed at Ashley's never ending commentary and promptly replaced her with Garrus as soon as he could recruit him...serious man my hubby - rapid transit was a godsend for him) at the very least, they should make more of those areas of interest where you could talk to your squad mates and hear not only their opinions but actual conversations, maybe like the observation balcony in ME1 only more frequent?

[catgirl789]

Jenova65 wrote...

Shenzi wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I am still hoping they implement a DA:O type interaction with team mates [snip]

I would love to see this as well.

I replayed DAO over and over varying the members of the group just to hear all the different dialogue.

Sometimes I just ran around waiting for them to talk 

I can't count the hours I've spent just switching around the people in my party to walk around and listen to them talk in DA:O.

[catgirl789]

jeweledleah wrote...

@Jenova LOL, god damn it, now I'm seeing the revisit of original Liara/Kaidan/Shep confrontation except Liara and Shep are not letting Kaidan leave this time and..."persuade" him O_O

@Meonlyred - I know what you mean, that elevator banter was awesome (as long as they keep an option of faster transit for those who do not wish to hear the banter...I'm thinking about people like my hubby who got annoyed at Ashley's never ending commentary and promptly replaced her with Garrus as soon as he could recruit him...serious man my hubby - rapid transit was a godsend for him) at the very least, they should make more of those areas of interest where you could talk to your squad mates and hear not only their opinions but actual conversations, maybe like the observation balcony in ME1 only more frequent?

Oooo, that sounds nice.

Edit: I mean that last part. This is what I get for not rereading the post I quoted. *facepalms*

Modifié par catgirl789, 03 février 2011 - 01:08 .

[Jenova65]

jeweledleah wrote...

@Jenova LOL, god damn it, now I'm seeing the revisit of original Liara/Kaidan/Shep confrontation except Liara and Shep are not letting Kaidan leave this time and..."persuade" him O_O

Lol, now that sounds more like it........