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[fortunesque]

BECC4 wrote...

I'm alliance through and through my ideal would be what Jho said, back with the alliance, Kaidan my second in command and permanent squadmate ;-)

I just don't think logistically it would be feasible to take on the Reaper army solo, I know, I know there's gonna be alliances between other species etc but as leggywillow said there would be too many limitations to ship maintenance etc without being affiliated to a group and of the choices I'd take alliance/council over Cerberus any day of the week.

Oh yes. Even though I don't trust the Alliance or the Council, I trust them much more than Cerberus. 

[AmyBA]

General User wrote...

Mine too. “Joker, lose this channel.” Is about my favorite line.
 
I’m not saying Cerberus is any better, or even necessarily a good place for Kaiden to work. Just that the Council and the Alliance are really rather unsavory people and that, if Kaiden stays with them, he’s going to have to compromise his moral standards sooner or later. Possibly in a rather dramatic fashion.
 
I don’t think he will make that compromise. I think that he’ll quit and go looking for Shepard (whatever uniform Shepard might be wearing) rather than do anything blatantly evil. What happens then? Well… that’s up to Shepard.
 
Personal and romantic issues aside, I think Kaiden regrets not going with Shepard on Horizon on a professional level. When the truth comes out that the Normandy and crew really did save a lot of lives, Kaiden has to be asking himself if he should have been a part of that.
 
After all, protecting people from foreign threats is supposed to be the whole reason the military he’s so loyal to exists in the first place. And if Shepard’s “team” is saving lives and protecting people, and Kaiden’s “team” is having him chase down blind alleys and file pointless reports, it has to start to gnaw at him as a Marine.

I agree with this. I feel the same way about it. Kaidan at his core always wants to do the right thing, to help as many people as possible. I think part of him would for sure be like "Man, I missed out on a good thing!"

I am kind of hoping that the next DLC covers something like that myself. Brings Kaidan/Ashely back because of the mission they're on, they realize they need more help and leeway than the Alliance is actually willing to give, maybe its a situation where the Alliance uncovers something big and is too afraid to pursure it and is trying to back out and pull Kaidan/Ashley out, and they realize that going to Shepard is really the only way to get it taken care of.

fortunesque wrote...

I think the best option would be
going private and having no direct affiliations with any one group.
Shepard can then use any connections (Cerberus, Alliance, geth, krogan,
etc) to do what needs to be done. From what I've heard from people that
have read the books, the Alliance and Cerberus don't appear to be as
separate as they claim.

And honestly, I'm sick of the mess that
affiliations and factions cause in the ME world. I'd rather fly under my
own flag so that I can get the job done without having to worry about
who I'm representing. I'm pretty sure that this will be the case in
ME3.

About sums it up for me as well. My Shep isn't hardcore Alliance. She used to be, but after everything shes been through, shes more on her own team and will follow whatever path she has to in order to get things done. She feels slightly let down by the Alliance and their actions in the recent past have made her less enthusiastic about supporting them. But obviously vs. Cerberus, she trusts the Alliance more.

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:03 .

[Nightodie]

fortunesque wrote...

So, if Horizon comes up and people don't want to talk about it, then just wait until the subject changes. That's what I do and it takes little to no effort. It's not like the thread is going off topic. But to block people with "I don't want to talk about this" could really make some people not want to come back. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular since you're all my friends and I don't want to step on toes, but it's just good thread etiquette...

I certainly am not going to tell someone not to talk about it.  I always make a point of sayng that I am not going there, to explain my absence.  I am sorry if I stepped on any toes, but I also think new people are truly interested in everybodies view is and not just the ones that are posting at the time, that's all.  I was just thinking that when they ask to know we can point them in the direction so they can see what others think.  If you don't want to do that, you don't have too.

To each his own.

[AmyBA]

Nightodie wrote...

I certainly am not going to tell someone not to talk about it.  I always make a point of sayng that I am not going there, to explain my absence.  I am sorry if I stepped on any toes, but I also think new people are truly interested in everybodies view is and not just the ones that are posting at the time, that's all.  I was just thinking that when they ask to know we can point them in the direction so they can see what others think.  If you don't want to do that, you don't have too.

To each his own.

As one of the "new people" I get what you are saying, and I kind of agree, which is why I was a bit hesitant to post, lol.

Not so much because I didn't want to discuss or see it discussed, it was more "I don't exactly want to keep this going for 20+ pages and have nothing else talked about because I brought it back up, I'd like to see other discussion topics too."

[Nightodie]

@ Amy... If you want to discuss your opinion, you are welcome to do that ... we do like other's opinions, I am just afraid that new people will miss some good perspective because of the few of us that don't want to hash it out again.



After all (as someone said to me), having the opinion of being tired of Horizon is a valid opinion for discussion also.

[Geirahod]

Ok, to change the topic a little, I would love to see a different reaction of Kaidan in ME3
I mean, everything that happen on ME2 should change the things between Shepard and Kaidan, especially if they are (or were) involved romantically (in the past).

Modifié par Geirahod, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[BECC4]

I'd like to see him being a bit more forceful about their relationship. When they get back together and I'm sure they will, I think losing her once might make him a bit more aggressive in a good way after he realises that she didn't betray anyone, none of it was her fault and she went and saved the universe again.

[Elysis]

If they get back together, Kaidan might get over protective.

I mean, I would if I thought the love of my life had died and then came back!

[Commander Kurt]

Okay, my story is up there if you want to look at it. It's not complete, just a start, but please throw some pointers my way if I seem to be on the wrong track.

http://www.fanfictio...tween_the_lines

I think that Kaidan is really having a hard time thinking about loosing Shep again. Every time he opens his mouth since they decided to try this, he's emphazising how he couldn't stand loosing her and how she needs to be careful. I think that's what's holding him back from her now, even more than Cerberus.

EDIT; By the way, new thread! I love what you guys have done with the place so far.

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 09 janvier 2011 - 09:32 .

[AmyBA]

Geirahod wrote...

Ok, to change the topic a little, I would love to see a different reaction of Kaidan in ME3
I mean, everything that happen on ME2 should change the things between Shepard and Kaidan, especially if they are (or were) involved romantically (in the past).

Yea, I think he will be coming around. I think he will figure out whats happened between Shep and Cerberus (if she destroyed the base, put her foot down, etc) and realize Cerberus isnt influencing her in anyway and be back to support her fully.

I do also hope he is a bit more stern and forthcoming about their relationship in ME3. I hope he finally says "To hell with being cautious and waiting until this is all over and things calm down. I want this to happen NOW, I am not putting it off anymore and giving you another chance to slip away from me!"

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 janvier 2011 - 09:54 .

[meonlyred]

@Amy
Well hell that is how they got together in the first place. He goes to Shepard's quarters before Ilos not looking for sex (well maybe a little). He came to tell her she has his support and he thinks she is doing the right thing. It was after talking with her did he realize, "oh snap, life as we know it could end tomorrow, to hell with caution!"

No one, ever, has gotten a loved one brought back from the dead, he was given a miraculous opportunity that will never happen again, then on top of that, the Reapers are invading Earth I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he realizes where he needs to be.

Someone please give him a smack on the back of the head...

Modifié par meonlyred, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:32 .

[AmyBA]

meonlyred wrote...

@Amy
Well hell that is how they got together in the first place. He goes to Shepard's quarters before Ilos not looking for sex (well maybe a little). He came to tell her she has his support and he thinks she is doing the right thing. It was after talking with her did he realize, "oh snap, life as we know it could end tomorrow, to hell with caution!"

No one, ever, has gotten a loved one brought back from the dead, he was given a miraculous opportunity that will never happen again, then on top of that, the Reapers are invading Earth I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he realizes where he needs to be.

Someone please give him a smack on the back of the head...

Yea, but he went right back to putting everything on hold after that night too. They make it pretty clear that the night before Ilos was the only night they spent together, and that after that it was all back to regulation and code.

Yes, a good smack on the back of the head. XD

[FireEye]

AmyBA wrote...

meonlyred wrote...

Someone please give him a smack on the back of the head...

Yes, a good smack on the back of the head. XD

Be careful!  That's where the implant is. 

[Selenora]

BECC4 wrote...

I'd like to see him being a bit more forceful about their relationship. When they get back together and I'm sure they will, I think losing her once might make him a bit more aggressive in a good way after he realises that she didn't betray anyone, none of it was her fault and she went and saved the universe again.

AMEN

[meonlyred]

AmyBA wrote...
Yea, but he went right back to putting everything on hold after that night too. They make it pretty clear that the night before Ilos was the only night they spent together, and that after that it was all back to regulation and code.

Yes, a good smack on the back of the head. XD

You're probably right about just having the one night, but I still stubbornly refuse to believe they shared a single night. Cause you know sneaking into the Captain's quarters...  Yeah I'm going to hell for saying that one...

I want to believe maybe a couple times in Shepard's quarters, maybe once in the Mako... :3

[Elysis]

meonlyred wrote...

maybe once in the Mako... :3

*Giggles like a little girl*
I'm liking that idea 

[AmyBA]

meonlyred wrote...

AmyBA wrote...
Yea, but he went right back to putting everything on hold after that night too. They make it pretty clear that the night before Ilos was the only night they spent together, and that after that it was all back to regulation and code.

Yes, a good smack on the back of the head. XD

You're probably right about just having the one night, but I still stubbornly refuse to believe they shared a single night. Cause you know sneaking into the Captain's quarters...  Yeah I'm going to hell for saying that one...

I want to believe maybe a couple times in Shepard's quarters, maybe once in the Mako... :3

Oh god, the Mako, lol. Hopefully Garrus wasnt around and making repairs to it.

I kind of like the idea of them only having the one night. It lends more to a real emotional attachment. I think sex gets focused on too much (obviously, its a fun part of it XD), and the idea that their relationship was more than that and can be rebuilt based entirely on the emotional and mental connection is rather nice.

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:58 .

[Avilia]

Just the one night? I missed that completely. I always assumed their relationship continued during the two (?) months between ME1 and ME2's prologue. It made Kaidan's reactions at 'that' meeting more understandable to me.

Modifié par Avilia, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:02 .

[meonlyred]

Now that is some reach and flexibility.

Edit:
@Avilia
Amy has a point, with a crew of 20+ on a ship as small as the Normandy. Getting chances alone together would be rare. Plus Kaidan even said he didn't want to muddy things. An acting relationship while aboard the Normandy would be hard to pull off. I'm sure they had all kind of plans for a shore leave though.

Modifié par meonlyred, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:07 .

[Sandtigress]

Avilia wrote...

Just the one night? I missed that completely. I always assumed their relationship continued during the two (?) months between ME1 and ME2's prologue. It made Kaidan's reactions at 'that' meeting more understandable to me.

1 month, I believe.  And for me at least the reason I think they only had the one night is how Kaidan references it in his email.  "That night meant everything to me" - it doesn't seem like that one night would be so important if there were many after it.  Given the rules against fraternization, I suspect they tried to go back to "duty as normal" afterwards.  lol I'll admit, I have a little thing in mind and if I ever get so far as writing it, maybe I'll link it here....

[AmyBA]

That is how it came across to me, especially since he singled out the night before Ilos very clearly

"Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... "

If they had actually been able to be together physically after that, I couldn't see him singling that night out in the way that he did.

I am sure there was still an emotional relationship, and stealing small intimate moments with each other when they could, but I really don't take it as them having been able to be together physically after that because of their work cleaning up the geth.

This is really just my opinion and interpretation.

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:08 .

[FireEye]

Avilia wrote...

Just the one night? I missed that completely. I always assumed their relationship continued during the two (?) months between ME1 and ME2's prologue. It made Kaidan's reactions at 'that' meeting more understandable to me.

It is (intentionally or accidentally) left vague.  Kaidan will reference how the night before Ilos meant everything to him,  even if you send him away.  :innocent:

[AmyBA]

FireEye wrote...

Avilia wrote...

Just the one night? I missed that completely. I always assumed their relationship continued during the two (?) months between ME1 and ME2's prologue. It made Kaidan's reactions at 'that' meeting more understandable to me.

It is (intentionally or accidentally) left vague.  Kaidan will reference how the night before Ilos meant everything to him,  even if you send him away.  :innocent:

Well, the problem is that the game will flag as a romance and that night happening even if you just talk to Kaidan and are nice to him in some instances in ME1.

I have a Shep who did not romance anyone, very clearly so, and had no special night before Ilos. But when I began her playthough on ME2, It was flagged as her having romanced Kaidan.

I think the game assumes that if you romanced Kaidan or Ash or Liara in anyway, that night on Ilos happened.

Modifié par AmyBA, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:11 .

[meonlyred]

FireEye wrote...

It is (intentionally or accidentally) left vague.  Kaidan will reference how the night before Ilos meant everything to him,  even if you send him away.  :innocent:

I was wondering how that worked out. So if you persue the relationship but don't do that deed ME2 still says you did?

The "night before Ilos" call out could also be explained if was their first night together, not just their only. It really could be argued either way.