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[crimzontearz]

yes it would!

[Eclipse_9990]

I love this new rivalry system. I'm glad I don't have to kiss my companions ass for them to get along with me.
Thats what I loved about Sten. I could talk to him with out really worrying that what I said would send his approval plummeting(not that I worried in the first place). I could disagree with him with something or argue with him or something, and I would get like +11 approval.

Sten was pretty much the only character I respected in the game.. Besides Morrigan.

Plus.. Having a Rivalry romance with Merril sounds pretty damn hot..

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:15 .

[MerinTB]

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

[Xewaka]

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

"Rivalry belligerant sexual tension"?
"Rivalry slap slap kiss"?

Modifié par Xewaka, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:26 .

[XX-Pyro]

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

Rivalry accidental-one-night-stand.


Better? 

[Eclipse_9990]

Xewaka wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

"Rivalry belligerant sexual tension"?
"Rivalry slap slap kiss"?

I think I'll go with the belligerent sexual tension..

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:29 .

[crimzontearz]

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

anita blake..........that is all

[Maria Caliban]

Estelindis wrote...

Actually, according to QI, it's horizontal stripes that look slimming.  :-)

QI is wrong.

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

Han Solo and Princess Leia.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:30 .

[Alexia89]

crimzontearz wrote...

 Friendship:
-Hawke: Hey isabela I got you something *tosses her brand new buckled armor-sexy-outfit*
-Isabela: oh Hawke....that is gorgeous. Are you goiong to turn around while I put it on or are you going to bring your sweet lil ass over here and help me with it?
-Hawke: 


Rivalrly:
-Hawke: Hey isabela I got you something *tosses her brand new buckled armor-sexy-outfit*
-Isabela:......VERTICAL buckles? are you are you implying I'm FAT????
-Hawke: 

hahaha good stuff

[Maugrim]

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

It seems that the problem is that you are assuming that a rivarly has to have personal animosity involved.  While there often is is is far from the truth.  Think of say sports players.  You might have a rivalry with a fellow player, who can score the most, most tackles, best RBI average .etc etc.  Each one tries to out do the but off the field they are friends.  I suspect each person's rivalry may have a different flavor to it.  Ranging from competative best friends to I hate you but I have to put  up with/ respect you.

[crimzontearz]

Alexia89 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

 Friendship:
-Hawke: Hey isabela I got you something *tosses her brand new buckled armor-sexy-outfit*
-Isabela: oh Hawke....that is gorgeous. Are you goiong to turn around while I put it on or are you going to bring your sweet lil ass over here and help me with it?
-Hawke: 


Rivalrly:
-Hawke: Hey isabela I got you something *tosses her brand new buckled armor-sexy-outfit*
-Isabela:......VERTICAL buckles? are you are you implying I'm FAT????
-Hawke: 

hahaha good stuff

hehe

[Estelindis]

Maria Caliban wrote...

QI is wrong.

Your argument is compelling.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Han Solo and Princess Leia.

Now this would be magnificent. 

[The Elder King]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

Han Solo and Princess Leia.

As a fan of SW films, it will be epic:O

[Bryy_Miller]

I'm also wondering what is up with "rivalry romance"

[In Exile]

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

As I understand it, friendship/rivalry is based on belief. So with Morrigain, if you didn't believe in kicking puppies, you would get rivalry points. Her romance would be different, and you would likely only get the "love" scenario on the rivalry path. Whereas on the friendship path you see eye-to-eye, so Morrigain never has the opportunity to change.

[The Big Nothing]

David Gaider wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
If I remember well, to advance in some romance/dialogue you must have an high approval. Even a lot of companion's side quest are based on approval (Leliana, Sten, Oghren for sure, maybe even Wynne).

That's true for Origins. In DA2, all companion quests can be done regardless of your approval (they're useful more for determining approval than originating from it). There is still relationship dialogue based on your approval, though, but it can be either rivalry- or friendship-based in its character.

Thank God. Or Gaider, rather.

I was getting a bit pissed at having to be friendly to all my companions to get perks. Nobody liked Boromir, but he was still able to defend two hobbits with three arrows in his chest.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 12:42 .

[SirOccam]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...this whole rivalry thing is by far the #1 thing I am looking forward to.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Han Solo and Princess Leia.

"You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life."
"I happen to like nice men."
"I'm nice men."
"No you're not, you're--"

Yes. Do want.

[The Big Nothing]

SirOccam wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...this whole rivalry thing is by far the #1 thing I am looking forward to.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Han Solo and Princess Leia.

"You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life."
"I happen to like nice men."
"I'm nice men."
"No you're not, you're--"

Yes. Do want.

Is it strange that I am aroused by that?

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:00 .

[SirOccam]

The Big Nothing wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...this whole rivalry thing is by far the #1 thing I am looking forward to.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Han Solo and Princess Leia.

"You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life."
"I happen to like nice men."
"I'm nice men."
"No you're not, you're--"

Yes. Do want.

Is it strange that I am aroused by that?

No. No, it is not.

[MerinTB]

makenzieshepard wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

Someone has to help me understand "rivalry romance" as I think that's an oxymoron. At least the word romance should be changed to something less positive.

It seems that the problem is that you are assuming that a rivarly has to have personal animosity involved.  While there often is is is far from the truth.  Think of say sports players.  You might have a rivalry with a fellow player, who can score the most, most tackles, best RBI average .etc etc.  Each one tries to out do the but off the field they are friends.  I suspect each person's rivalry may have a different flavor to it.  Ranging from competative best friends to I hate you but I have to put  up with/ respect you.

The way I understand it - and maybe I am very much misunderstanding - is that rivalry is the mirror (if not exactly opposite) of friendship.

What you just described is competition between friends, you even use the words friends.  Rivalry as in not connected to friendship, positively or negatively.

That's not how I understand it to be in DA2.  And I could well be wrong, but how I've interpreted it was that you could do things that your companions dislike, and they don't like you as a result, but still respect your leadership or have similar end goals or other motives for sticking with you that are outside of liking and agreeing with you.

That's not competitive rivalry.  If your actions either make you gain friendship or rivalry points... that means each rivalry point is further away from friendship.

I know you don't have to like someone to sleep with them, but I'm fairly certain you almost always need to like someone to be in a romance with them.

---

Han and Leia were not rivals in any sense of the word.  Luke and Han were rivals - for Leia's affection (before Lucas changed the story for Empire and made Luke and Leia siblings.)  The Emperor and Luke were rivals - for Darth Vader's "soul".

Han and Leia had that cliched "I hate you, I can't stand you, and because of that I love you."  Han and Leia competed for nothing, and never tried to one-up either other (save maybe insults for a bit.)

I think a "rivalry romance" would be more like Brock and Molotov from Venture Bros.  Kid Flash and Jinx from Teen Titans.  Rogue and Magneto from X-Men.  Starbuck and Baltar from Battlestar Galactica.  With all of those listed, they either do not end well (or even ever really qualify as "romance") OR they start as rivals and move to liking each other and end up friends.

Same for Han and Leia, if you must use them.  They start hating each other, grow to respect and depend on each other so the banter is playful and not actually mean-spirited, and then are friends before lovers.

The rivalry meter for DA2 goes the OPPOSITE way.  You start neutral (probably), become more antagonistic or competitive or whatever, and at the "height" of it suddenly you THEN want to be in a romance?  I cannot think of a single fictional nor real "romance" that works from neutral to negative but the further negative the more attracted two people in question are to each other.

If your rivalry meter hits a point, you have your rivalry romance, does the meter than shift towards friendship?

Or is it where normally a rivalry hitting a certain point needs an explosion of violence, for DA2 the "violence" will be hateful or competitive or masochistic sex?

[David Gaider]

MerinTB wrote...
The rivalry meter for DA2 goes the OPPOSITE way.  You start neutral (probably), become more antagonistic or competitive or whatever, and at the "height" of it suddenly you THEN want to be in a romance?  I cannot think of a single fictional nor real "romance" that works from neutral to negative but the further negative the more attracted two people in question are to each other.

If your rivalry meter hits a point, you have your rivalry romance, does the meter than shift towards friendship?

Or is it where normally a rivalry hitting a certain point needs an explosion of violence, for DA2 the "violence" will be hateful or competitive or masochistic sex?

I think you might be getting caught up on the word "rivalry". It could just as easily be expressed by "conflict".

Two people that have conflicting views may fight over it. This does not mean they hate each other. It may, however, mean they get into some very heated arguments. That kind of conflict also does not necessarily exclude the fact that you may be attracted to someone.

Rivalry does not mean a companion hates or disrespects you-- if that was the case, they wouldn't be traveling with you.

There is a point at the "end" of the Rivalry path which mimics the end of the Frienship path: the companion is loyal and whatever conflict lay between you has been resolved. That's how the path works.

[crimzontearz]

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
The rivalry meter for DA2 goes the OPPOSITE way.  You start neutral (probably), become more antagonistic or competitive or whatever, and at the "height" of it suddenly you THEN want to be in a romance?  I cannot think of a single fictional nor real "romance" that works from neutral to negative but the further negative the more attracted two people in question are to each other.

If your rivalry meter hits a point, you have your rivalry romance, does the meter than shift towards friendship?

Or is it where normally a rivalry hitting a certain point needs an explosion of violence, for DA2 the "violence" will be hateful or competitive or masochistic sex?

I think you might be getting caught up on the word "rivalry". It could just as easily be expressed by "conflict".

Two people that have conflicting views may fight over it. This does not mean they hate each other. It may, however, mean they get into some very heated arguments. That kind of conflict also does not necessarily exclude the fact that you may be attracted to someone.

Rivalry does not mean a companion hates or disrespects you-- if that was the case, they wouldn't be traveling with you.

There is a point at the "end" of the Rivalry path which mimics the end of the Frienship path: the companion is loyal and whatever conflict lay between you has been resolved. That's how the path works.

so uhm.......which path do I pick with Isabela to convince her she should be "exclusively hawke's woman"? 

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...
I think you might be getting caught up on the word "rivalry". It could just as easily be expressed by "conflict".

Two people that have conflicting views may fight over it. This does not mean they hate each other. It may, however, mean they get into some very heated arguments. That kind of conflict also does not necessarily exclude the fact that you may be attracted to someone.

Rivalry does not mean a companion hates or disrespects you-- if that was the case, they wouldn't be traveling with you.

There is a point at the "end" of the Rivalry path which mimics the end of the Frienship path: the companion is loyal and whatever conflict lay between you has been resolved. That's how the path works.

So as compared to Origins, DA2's system isn't so much overall personal  "Approval" in the sense of liking/disliking but more like liking/disliking in the context of one's actions and beliefs?

So the rivalry path might be if my Warden was an ultra left Democrat and Morrigan a right wing Republican, its sort of assumed they're "friendly" overall despite getting in regular arguments over politics? ANd that any friendship/rivalry shift is mostly attributable to your actions and conversations with respect to political philosophy, not necessarily personal like/dislike? And  possibly towards the end of the rivalry pathway you could still develop a genuine romance but also have the chance to change Morrigan's view on things as well?

Whereas a "friendship" path would be more like if say both Morrigan and the Warden shared the same philosophical views already and simply went from there, nodding in agreement as they let kittens stay forever stuck in trees?

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 janvier 2011 - 05:44 .