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[Addai]

It's not screwing anyone over. It's an incentive to pre-order. You either are hooked by the incentive (or you were going to pre-order anyway and get a freebie for doing so extra early) or it's not enough to tempt you and you say "no sale."

Where the comparison to Shale fails (hey I made a rhyme) is that overall we're getting less content in 2 than in Origins. We got Shale with our initial purchase of Origins, and it always felt like part of Origins to me rather than DLC. I don't think we pre-ordered that early or anything, either. So DA2 seems like even less game because of that.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:01 .

[Dave of Canada]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

It's not a dramatization when it's true though. 10 years ago the concept of this kind of DLC BS would be a dramatization. It's just a fact of our culture that companies do this, and as long as consumers let them inch forward, they'll keep moving.

And the industry has evolved since ten years ago, where the downloadable content idea wasn't realistic because of all the limitations posed on the industry. Expansion packs worked because they were made in large bulks and could be shipped everywhere, however had DLC been available I'm sure we'd have had a similar industry to that of today.

Downloadable content is more profitable, easier to manage, less risky, requires a lot less work than a full expansion pack and allows the player to make a concious decision on the content he or she wants or doesn't want in their game. If you'd like to yell at people, please realize we're not in the same industry as ten years ago.

I don't call it nickle and diming, ripping off or any of the other words that are often used with the term DLC. I call it business.

The real question is how long till consumers wake up like they did with the music industry (which admittedly, is still ****).

FIGHT THE POWER.

I'll just be enjoying myself on this DLC, you can keep seething in that corner.

[Meltemph]

So I have to pre-order when Bioware tells me to?

Umm, yes? If you want the product they are currently selling between the time slot they tell you to, then yes you do have to buy it when they tell you to(or just don't buy it and deal with the consequences).

It isn't free to those that don't pre-order before January 10th thats my point.

And? You think you are entitled to it simply because you want to be? If that is the case, then don't buy the product, I don't see the problem.

[Gavinthelocust]

Harid wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Harid wrote...

This argument has gone circular. Bailing out unless addressed.

This is how things usually go here, an argument starts and by the fourth page it's become a flame war with a blend of insane troll logic and extreme ignorance.

Oh, I know.  It's sad, but true.  'Specially anything 'anti-Bioware'.

Even anything pro-Bioware usually becomes this, it's part of the reason rpg fanbases are considered unpleasable bastards who will argue anything into the ground no matter how (for lack of a better term)pants-on-head retarded it is.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:02 .

[Revan312]

TripedWire wrote...

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I haven't read all of the posts, but stores like Gamestop require only $5 to preorder a game and you can always cancel it later.

So why not put $5 down now and if you don't want it for some reason cancel it?

Because then the onus is upon you to act, to research and maybe cancel the order. You have to double down on a game which you only hope is worth your money and if something else come to light suggesting its not worth it you have to take the time to cancel your order.
Why not just make a great game and then it's indispuitably worth your money and you can buy it day 1 or day 2 or maybe at the weekend and you havent been locked out of any content.

Because that would be how games used to be made when there was more than two corporations owning the majority of the industry. 

[Ziggeh]

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

[TJPags]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

TJPags wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

TJPags wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

And for the record, I wouldn't have a problem with this if there wasn't a time limit on it, akin to Shale or Zaeed. Fine, it encourages you to purchase the game new as opposed to used where the developers do not get the money for their work. But I have to pay extra because I don't pre-order a special edition by January 10th? C'mon, that isn't cool...

I know, right?

How AWFUL that they want you to buy something early rather than late.

I suppose you hate all sales, right?

That isn't the point. It should already be included IN the game. They can develop addition DLC and sell it later all they want, I have qualms with that. But a limited day 1 "DLC"? I stress the limited part.

So it's the free for those who pre-order part?  Because, you know, the DLC is available to everyone.  And I stress everyone.

So I have to pre-order when Bioware tells me to? It isn't free to those that don't pre-order before January 10th thats my point.

And this is not new, nor unique to game companies.

Stores of all sorts have sales all the time, for people who purchase during the sale.  Is that wrong?  Those who don't shop the day after Thanksgiving don't get things at 70% off.  Those who don't order something online on cyber monday don't get free shipping.  Hell, on Amazon, virtually all the time, you can get free shipping if you buy over a certain dollar amount. 

Bars offer drink specials on off nights, but not on busy nights.  Is that wrong?  Car dealers off model-year end savings.  Is that wrong?  Again, time sensitive discounts.

Are all of these things wrong also?  They all have time limits or dollar limits to get them.  Here, Bioware gave you something for free if you buy before a certain date.  Why is that so wrong?

[upsettingshorts]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion.  Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary.

My stance is that I am ignorant, and so are you.  Stop acting like you're not. 

[Meltemph]

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion. Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary.

I think his input is necessary(or at least warranted in this discussion). Just because you take it "passionately" does not invalidate someone else's views, as much as you might want it to.

[Bryy_Miller]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...



There's a difference between making a profit and screwing people over.

This isn't screwing people over, it's offering a bonus to those who intend to pay the full price later which only requires a tiny down payment now that you can cancel at any time.

It's screwing over people who don't pre order it.

How is that screwing anyone over? It's a single player game.

[Cutlasskiwi]

I have purchased BioWare games for years and been happy with the products. This has built up a trust for the company and with the available information I have happily pre-ordered a copy of the game. I don't see this as withholding content seeing as DLC is developed on the side of the actual game, I see it as extra bonus items.

[BTCentral]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion.  Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary. (such as myself) have no idea what we are talking about, no idea how the industry works, and no chance of changing it.

Thank you for your valuable input, I was obviously being idiotic.

Next time, maybe I will actually come up with a valid argument before I bother to reply - rather than telling other people their opinions do not matter for no valid reason whatsoever.

Modifié par BTCentral, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:07 .

[SleepyPerson]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion.  Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary.

What gives you the right to tell people to stay out of the conversation when they bring up a good point? And you think your input is necessary? Stop being full of yourself. Most people can give two ****s about what your saying.

Modifié par TricksterPuppet, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:04 .

[Xewaka]

I do find the fact that DLC supposedly made in the dead 8-to-12 weeks between locking the disk content and the release being announced about a month before the lockdown a bit fishy. Then again, it could be scheduled to start its working schedule two months before and go into development befor the game is done.

Still, due to the fact that DLC is keeping old school disk expansions from coming to sale, I will not buy DLC. I might install it if given to me, but not buy it separately. The only DLC I have for DA:O is Shale and the Blood Armor. Same for ME 2, firepack and Zaeed is what I got.

[Saibh]

Modifié par Saibh, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:04 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Meltemph wrote...

So I have to pre-order when Bioware tells me to?

Umm, yes? If you want the product they are currently selling between the time slot they tell you to, then yes you do have to buy it when they tell you to(or just don't buy it and deal with the consequences).

It isn't free to those that don't pre-order before January 10th thats my point.

And? You think you are entitled to it simply because you want to be? If that is the case, then don't buy the product, I don't see the problem.

Unfortunate that you let a company tell you what and when to spend your money. 

[Saibh]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion.  Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary.

You missed the part where he said "You need to prove that you're somehow less ignorant". Posting a picture with your tin-foil hat on isn't going to prove it. He's saying that he's ignorant, not because he can't make assumptions, but because he chooses not to pretend to know.

The way you seem to be.

[upsettingshorts]

Xewaka wrote...

I do find the fact that DLC supposedly made in the dead 8-to-12 weeks between locking the disk content and the release being announced about a month before the lockdown a bit fishy.

Why?

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I support this platform.

[Revan312]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I call it business.

I call it corporatism..

[TJPags]

TripedWire wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I support this platform.

Yet you created this thread complaining about something for free . . .  .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Meltemph wrote...

There's a difference between making a profit and screwing people over.

Sounds like you think you deserve the product...

They can't screw you over if they tell you what they are selling before hand. It is not their fault if someone doesn't have the self control to not buy something they will not be happy with.

See here's the problem. People keep saying "If you don't want it, don't buy it". That's fine and dandy, except when enough people buy it it's labeled a "Success". That means a precedent is set. So other companies start following it. Eventually, another precedent is set, and another and another.

It's a chain reaction. So what am I, and others, supposed to do? Never play video games again? 

Companies need to make a profit, yes, but they have an obligation, an ethical obligation to do right by their consumer.


It used to be consumers would hold them to that obligation, but now they just blindly accept it. Again, if enough people eat ****, the rest of us have no choice.


Regardless, I'm done with this thread. It's overflowing with the corporate shill mentality that abounds our culture. Oh how I long for a revolution.

[Ziggeh]

Saibh wrote...

Posting a picture with your tin-foil hat on isn't going to prove it.

Worth a shot though.

[Meltemph]

Unfortunate that you let a company tell you what and when to spend your money.

You are not making any sense. IF I didn't like the offer I wouldn't buy it and if I thought I was entitled to the offer even if I didnt want to buy it on that time period, I wouldn't buy the game. Again, your post does not make any sense w/o the assumption that I secretly have a problem with the product they are selling. Which is false, in-case you didn't know.

[addiction21]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

So I have to pre-order when Bioware tells me to?

Umm, yes? If you want the product they are currently selling between the time slot they tell you to, then yes you do have to buy it when they tell you to(or just don't buy it and deal with the consequences).

It isn't free to those that don't pre-order before January 10th thats my point.

And? You think you are entitled to it simply because you want to be? If that is the case, then don't buy the product, I don't see the problem.

Unfortunate that you let a company tell you what and when to spend your money. 

Go to a grocery store and try to demand last weeks deals.

Go to a restaruant and demand mondays special on a thrusday.

Or do you actually do those things? Demand a business follows your wants?

Modifié par addiction21, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:09 .