298 réponses à ce sujet

[Gavinthelocust]

TripedWire wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I support this platform.

Because giving money to people who spent years of their life working on a game and expect payment is evil. They don't need money to create games, they just do it all as a hobby and wanting anything in return is greedy.

[Bryy_Miller]

Revan312 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I call it business.

I call it corporatism..

And I call it capitalism. Your point? You seem to have this idea that society can "just stop" doing something, just like some seem to think that we can "just stop" drilling for oil tomorrow and there would be no problem.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

TJPags wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I support this platform.

Yet you created this thread complaining about something for free . . .  .

I created the thread questioning the exclusive content offered to those willing to commit to purchasing a game two months before it's release before being able to judge it's quality.

[BTCentral]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Companies need to make a profit, yes, but they have an obligation, an ethical obligation to do right by their consumer.

They have no obligation to give you something they worked on for nothing.
Especially considering it was done under a separate budget.

Which part of that sentence do you not understand? no, obligation or nothing?

They are choosing to give people that pre-order as set within their terms, for free.
They do not have to do this, they could have simply charged everyone for it.

Modifié par BTCentral, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:16 .

[Dave of Canada]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Again, if enough people eat ****, the rest of us have no choice.

If it's tasty, I'll gladly eat it.

om nom nom

Want some? It's tasty. Oh wait, you don't have a choice! I'll force it down your throat now.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:10 .

[Meltemph]

That's fine and dandy, except when enough people buy it it's labeled a "Success". That means a precedent is set. So other companies start following it. Eventually, another precedent is set, and another and another.



It's a chain reaction. So what am I, and others, supposed to do? Never play video games again?

That is up to you, but if companies copy it and it remains successful it means enough people are fine with it, who are you to think that your demands supersede everyone else's(I am honestly asking you this question)?

Companies need to make a profit, yes, but they have an obligation, an ethical obligation to do right by their consumer.





It used to be consumers would hold them to that obligation, but now they just blindly accept it. Again, if enough people eat ****, the rest of us have no choice.





Regardless, I'm done with this thread. It's overflowing with the corporate shill mentality that abounds our culture. Oh how I long for a revolution.

And it is up to the individual consumer to decide their purchasing choices, however, it IS NOT your job to tell other people how they should be making purchases.

[Heimdall]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

So I have to pre-order when Bioware tells me to?

Umm, yes? If you want the product they are currently selling between the time slot they tell you to, then yes you do have to buy it when they tell you to(or just don't buy it and deal with the consequences).

It isn't free to those that don't pre-order before January 10th thats my point.

And? You think you are entitled to it simply because you want to be? If that is the case, then don't buy the product, I don't see the problem.

Unfortunate that you let a company tell you what and when to spend your money. 

If you don't want to pay for it you wont get it, just like any other product.

[The Big Nothing]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

I'm glad you take the industry so lightly. Some of us are very passionate about video games, and fear for the direction they are heading. Your stance is that your ignorant, then educate yourself and come to a conclusion.  Otherwise, stay out of the conversation. Your input is again, unnecessary.

My stance is that I am ignorant, and so are you.  Stop acting like you're not. 

Zing!

[The Big Nothing]

Dave of Canada wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Again, if enough people eat ****, the rest of us have no choice.

If it's tasty, I'll gladly eat it.

om nom nom

Want some? It's tasty. Oh wait, you don't have a choice! I'll force it down your throat now.

Zing!

[Bryy_Miller]

TripedWire wrote...

TJPags wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I support this platform.

Yet you created this thread complaining about something for free . . .  .

I created the thread questioning the exclusive content offered to those willing to commit to purchasing a game two months before it's release before being able to judge it's quality.

Some games go up for pre-order an entire year in advance. Duke Nukem went 13.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:15 .

[xDragonDudex]

maaan you guys take this internet stuff very seriously huh

[Maria Caliban]

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I'm of the opinion that BioWare ought to send me the game for free. Pre-installed on the new computer they've made for me.

That they continue to not do this is perplexing.

[Bryy_Miller]

It is srs bsns, after all.

[ladydesire]

TripedWire wrote...


I created the thread questioning the exclusive content offered to those willing to commit to purchasing a game two months before it's release before being able to judge it's quality.

Game developers have been doing it for years, so if you've never seen it before, I'm quite surprised; I rarely buy games and I knew about it. Bioware isn't the first game developer to do this, and DA2 isn't the first game that they have provided something extra for those that bought the game before a certain date (The Stone Prisoner and Blood Dragon Armor for DAO come to mind).

[BTCentral]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm of the opinion that BioWare ought to send me the game for free. Pre-installed on the new computer they've made for me.

That they continue to not do this is perplexing.

No way, me too! I think we should form a club, the main activity involves complaining that this has not happened.

Modifié par BTCentral, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:18 .

[Addai]

TripedWire wrote...

I created the thread questioning the exclusive content offered to those willing to commit to purchasing a game two months before it's release before being able to judge it's quality.

Two months early is not that early.  We know a lot about the game thus far.  And now we know exactly what we're going to get with the bonus character.  I have other complaints, but that we don't know enough to make an informed purchase isn't one of them.

[Ryzaki]

I mean honestly folks just don't pay for the DLC it sucks but the only message corporations seem to understand is not getting your money when you see them as ripping you off.

[Revan312]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I call it business.

I call it corporatism..

And I call it capitalism. Your point? You seem to have this idea that society can "just stop" doing something, just like some seem to think that we can "just stop" drilling for oil tomorrow and there would be no problem.

Just stop doing what? Taking all the BS we're fed through all industries in our wonderful free-trade capitalistic society?  I've always hoped people would actually fight back against it but no, it's not the case, people continue to lap up the pin-stripe oligarchy of today and actually believe it's fair..

I'm putting far to much of my beliefs about the general industrial complex onto games as they're an inessential part of life, so I should back off a little, but the ridiculous tactics in other industries are seeping into gaming because it's become so monopolized, corporatized and institutionalized.  I simply hate the way society is unfolding as people continually accept stronger and stronger restrictions in the name of "democracy" or "capitalism" even though those restricions only help the very top of the pyramid..

I really should be on a political forum though, as like I said, my general opinions about society are seeping into a gaming forum which is pointless..

[slimgrin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

I for one would like to have more things for free, rather than pay for them.

I'm of the opinion that BioWare ought to send me the game for free. Pre-installed on the new computer they've made for me.

That they continue to not do this is perplexing.

I'm of the position they should offer incentives for simply buying new, like they did with ME2.

I dunno...maybe they will.

[Gavinthelocust]

xDragonDudex wrote...

maaan you guys take this internet stuff very seriously huh

You must be new, the forums before a new release are the very ZENITH of taking things too seriously followed by ignorance and stupidity.

[Xewaka]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
I do find the fact that DLC supposedly made in the dead 8-to-12 weeks between locking the disk content and the release being announced about a month before the lockdown a bit fishy.

Why?

It is indicative that it is being developed at the same time as the main game. That means that time could had been added to the regular game schedule.
All thing said, though, the principal reason I distrust DLC is because of the alternate costumes packages of Street Fighter IV. Modders had them - the alternate costumes that would be put to sale - available on PC by unlocking dummied out code before they were put to sale officially. Incidentally, there will be no PC version of Super Street Fighter IV. Make of that what you will.

Ryzaki wrote...
I mean honestly folks just don't pay for
the DLC it sucks but the only message corporations seem to understand is
not getting your money when you see them as ripping you off.

That's what I do. I'll take them for free or if sold on a disk. They won't see a € of mine through digital buy.

Modifié par Xewaka, 09 janvier 2011 - 01:20 .

[BTCentral]

filaminstrel wrote...

In fact they have an obligation not to, to the people who have shares in their company who expect them not to use their investment so irresponsibly.

Your logic is faulty. EA/BioWare develop something, and give it away for free to the number of people that pre-order.
Pre-order period is over, people buy it. What happens? Fans get rewarded, yet EA/BioWare still get rewarded.

[Seb Hanlon]

That's just about enough arguing around in circles. If we want to discuss the business ramifications of DLC and preorder bonuses in general, let's take it to off-topic.



[#import "lock.h"]