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[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

EA is myopic and greedy. If I trade my EA game in chances are, as a gamer, I'm quite likely to spend that money on another game, possibly another EA game!

The used games market helps not hinders the industry.

[Magnus_The_Red]

I don't mind the extra stuff for those who pre-order, as long as it is available for everyone at a later date.

I liked Origins but Bioware is not getting a penny from me until I get more info.

[slimgrin]

magicwins wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
And do I really need to bring up how much better GoG's deal for TW2 is? There's no comparison.

If it wasn't for the fact that I really didn't like the feel of TW1, or European RPGs in general, I would have already bought that game, probably on GOG, but more probably in retail for the awesome freebies. You're absolutely right. Their 'premium' version trumps this Signature Edition by a mile and a half. But, what CD Projekt is trying to do is different. They want longtime fans to buy the Collector's Edition, with a truckload of loot for 130$. Bioware just wants us to pledge to buy the game early. Different marketing strategies.

I'd still like some physical loot with the Signature Edition though. Exclusively digital freebies feel.... disappointing.

Its $45 and you get an extra game on GoG for free. Plus a pdf version of the art book that comes with the collector's edition, and some other stuff. Look it up. The deal is way better. I mean way f*cking better. When are gamers going to get tired of being milked?

[crimzontearz]

TripedWire wrote...

EA is myopic and greedy. If I trade my EA game in chances are, as a gamer, I'm quite likely to spend that money on another game, possibly another EA game!
The used games market helps not hinders the industry.

if people buy your used game EA gets NO money at all.....hence why the need for a DLC that will get revenue to EA and Bioware when someone buys their games used

[Da_Lion_Man]

TC has a point.

[KBomb]

TripedWire wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

I pre-ordered because I'm a sucker. Loved Dragon Age:Origins and Awakening and want as much possible useless junk for Dragon Age 2. Call me what you will, I have faith that this will be a great game.

Don't you feel that your support is being exploited?
It's great that you enjoyed DA:O, I did too, but now your already sold on another game with that brand which is fine but if you decided to exercise some personal agency and wait for some more in game footage, demos etc you're getting short changed?

I don’t feel my support is being exploited in the slightest by Bioware or any other company. I am an adult, and I make my own money and spend it on what I want using my own decisions. I always pre-order games and have rarely been burned by the experience. I was going to pre-order this game anyway, I take it as a ‘Thank you for having faith in us’ rather than an exploitation.

[TJPags]

I get the anger, but what exactly are they witholding? Prince Seb and his quest are available as DLC for $7 - so it's not being witheld, just charged for.



Now, if this was not going to be available at all, I would be on board with you. But basically, they gave you a choice - order now and save $7, or not. I don't think that's wrong.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

crimzontearz wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

EA is myopic and greedy. If I trade my EA game in chances are, as a gamer, I'm quite likely to spend that money on another game, possibly another EA game!
The used games market helps not hinders the industry.

if people buy your used game EA gets NO money at all.....hence why the need for a DLC that will get revenue to EA and Bioware when someone buys their games used

Okay, I buy EA game on day one, trade it on after a week and some other joe buys it. EA makes no money on that transaction but it equally makes no money if I leave the game on my shelf, use the disc as a coaster or toss it out.
However the Joe who bought it may really enjoy it making him more likely to purchase future games from the same developer/publisher.

[nightcobra]

TripedWire wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

EA is myopic and greedy. If I trade my EA game in chances are, as a gamer, I'm quite likely to spend that money on another game, possibly another EA game!
The used games market helps not hinders the industry.

if people buy your used game EA gets NO money at all.....hence why the need for a DLC that will get revenue to EA and Bioware when someone buys their games used

Okay, I buy EA game on day one, trade it on after a week and some other joe buys it. EA makes no money on that transaction but it equally makes no money if I leave the game on my shelf, use the disc as a coaster or toss it out.
However the Joe who bought it may really enjoy it making him more likely to purchase future games from the same developer/publisher.

and then that joe might trade it, and the cycle begins anew.

[Gabey5]

EA



that is all

[Xewaka]

I have preordered. If I don't like what I see when the game comes out, I'll cancel the preorder. No big deal.

Then again, I'm buying on a physical store, not an online buy, so they're less pricks about that kind of thing.

[magicwins]

TripedWire wrote...

Okay, I buy EA game on day one, trade it on after a week and some other joe buys it. EA makes no money on that transaction but it equally makes no money if I leave the game on my shelf, use the disc as a coaster or toss it out.
However the Joe who bought it may really enjoy it making him more likely to purchase future games from the same developer/publisher.

But if you hadn't traded your game in Joe would have had to buy a new version of the game, sending a whole 50$ EA's way. You're saying they're not entitled to that cash? Or that Joe, having experienced the relatively lower price point of a used game will not return to make a similar purchase in the future when he wants another EA title?

Please think it through. I was considering some positive effect on the popularity of the game, but I have no data myself so I cannot say if it is worth it. I highly doubt it is.

Modifié par magicwins, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:22 .

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Sure but even then the developer and publisher have greater market penetration and brand recognition which is the goal of advertising which most companies pay enormous sums for.

The only downside is if the second hand buyer thinks the game is bad and has a negative opinion of the producers to which the solution is simply dont make bad games; everybody wins.

[Harid]

I find it funny that these companies that blame Gamestop for ruining their industry (wasn't a problem last gen, and bloated over budget AAA game philosophy is the real reason) often give Gamestop awesome preorder dlc to help hawk their game in the first place.



Why are you even doing business with a company that is making so much money off of you in the first place? (Because Gamestop is largely the place the majority of their sales come from) You can't complain about a company and summarily be the reason that company is able to make so much money off of you from trade ins in the first place. You are essentially fueling your collapse.

[Reaverwind]

Magnus_The_Red wrote...

I don't mind the extra stuff for those who pre-order, as long as it is available for everyone at a later date.
I liked Origins but Bioware is not getting a penny from me until I get more info.

Well, that extra stuff just isn't enough incentive for me. Garbage is still garbage, no matter how many shinies get added to the pile. I'm not buying til reviews, especially those pertaining to gameplay issues, come out. What does concern me is that the so-called 'bonus' material may actually be more than that. Time will tell.

[upsettingshorts]

TJPags wrote...

I get the anger, but what exactly are they witholding? Prince Seb and his quest are available as DLC for $7 - so it's not being witheld, just charged for.

Now, if this was not going to be available at all, I would be on board with you. But basically, they gave you a choice - order now and save $7, or not. I don't think that's wrong.

It's called "common practice." 

EA/Bioware is offering an incentive to early adopters.  If the risk you may not enjoy the game is too great for you to justify preordering, don't buy early. 

I didn't preorder though until the $45 deal came up on Direct2Drive, though I probably would have after the DLC character reveal at regular price anyway.  My original plan was to make a decision Jan 10 (why not wait until all the information that would be available by the deadline was available?) but the D2D deal wasn't something I felt I could ignore.  

But then, I don't tend to get worked up about stuff like this or DLC in general - from this company or anyone else.

[SirOccam]

I think some people need to decide what they're arguing. Is it that this specific offer from BioWare is bad? Or that DLC is bad? Or that day-1 DLC is bad?

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

Modifié par TripedWire, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:27 .

[magicwins]

Harid wrote...

I find it funny that these companies that blame Gamestop for ruining their industry (wasn't a problem last gen, and bloated over budget AAA game philosophy is the real reason) often give Gamestop awesome preorder dlc to help hawk their game in the first place.

Why are you even doing business with a company that is making so much money off of you in the first place? (Because Gamestop is largely the place the majority of their sales come from) You can't complain about a company and summarily be the reason that company is able to make so much money off of you from trade ins in the first place. You are essentially fueling your collapse.

I don't get this either. I've seen a lot of people who were very upset with the Harlequin DLC and Jack-In-The-Box (for Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood) being available exclusively at Gamestop, when they were planning to buy their games elsewhere just to support the publisher. It felt like the publishers themselves were asking to be slapped in the face. A very bad move imo, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

[kingjezza]

I've always though the pre-order extra stinks to high heaven, none of the excuses wash really, I have no problem with them giving extra away to every new copy bought, like they did with ME2 and DAO but when you set a date like they have, when the vast majority of people who buy the game new are going to be facing up to extra charges just to get the same as those who ordered early (in other words the complete thing) then in my opinion it's a low move.



But whatever, the World is a greedy place and that is that, well done.

[Kajan451]

Thetribeman wrote...

The people that preordered it would have done so anyways. The people who don't trust developers will always wait. It's just a little added incentive. I know I'm going to buy no matter what, now I will just do so earlier.

Wrong.

If there haddn't been a Bonus Character for Preorders i wouldn't have preordered. Only reason for me to Preorder was to get the Full Gaming Experiance and not only 50% of it.

And honestly, i really dislike the whole PreOrder Scam. You always have to decide which one you want, instead of just get it all... and on top of it... if you do not happen to life in the USA or probably Canada you get cheated out of half the pre Order Bonuses anyway, because usually as European you will only get 1 Option out of 3+

Now if the Preorder is just some Item or some Armor i could care less, but if its actually doing something for my gaming experiance like an Additional Map, Quest and or Character, i really feel cheated out of it, if its not available for me.

And i do not see them as Bonuses. I see them as being deprived of a part of the game, just because i didn't preorder or even better... didn't live in the USA to attent to some Convention or other cheap Marketing Thingy.

So yeah i feel kind of Blackmailed into Preordering because i want that character, the Quest and the Story that comes with it and i only get it if i Preorder. And worst of all, i still couldn't find any kind of additional information on what that Preorder Character is before i decided to preorder just in case its something cool and i didn't want to miss out on it.

So if they come up with some crappy Copy Protection like Steam or Ubisoft can decide if i want to keep ordering it or preordering it... and if there is no mention of any of that up till the release day and the game is crappy and sucks... i will have spend a lot of money on some Videogame which will most likely collect dust on my shelf.

Which is no small part of the reason i too consider Preorder Bonuses a scam. At least i hope this extra Character isn't as bland as Zaeed was.

[Harid]

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

Pretty sure they don't dwarf the actual entertainment industry (movies/television), but whatever.

[Bryy_Miller]

TripedWire wrote...

You don't get the prince companion and quests unless you're willing to commit to a full purchase before the 11th of January when there is scant information out about the game to effectively let you make an informed decision about it's quality.

This is a pre-order. These have existed for years. 

[Lord Gremlin]

You can still have the content. You just have to buy it. And those who pre-ordered will get it for free.