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[shnizzler93]

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

The gaming industry does not dwarf every other entertainment industry, not even close. The music industry, perhaps yes, but not movies.

Black Ops was illegally downloaded over 4 million times, Mass Effect 2 was illegally downloaded over 2 million times. Think of how much 'potential' lost revenue that could have been

[Taint Master]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

TC has a point.

Not really. 

If you want to wait for the reviews, reserve it at a retailer that will let you cancel if you change your mind (like EB).  If that doesn't work for you... then pay 7 bucks when the game is released (omg 7 dollars?!?!?) 

You have options.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Harid wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

Pretty sure they don't dwarf the actual entertainment industry (movies/television), but whatever.

Yeah, it does, perhaps not combined and I can't be bothered to cite a source here but titles like CoD generate more, much more, than any fim, album, book or any other medium of entertainment.

[nightcobra]

SirOccam wrote...

I think some people need to decide what they're arguing. Is it that this specific offer from BioWare is bad? Or that DLC is bad? Or that day-1 DLC is bad?

it comes down to perspectives

my own would be:

there's 2 separate budgets, one for full game the other for extras.
if the alternative is for the extras to not exist in the first place and the full game remains the same, then i'm okay with the extras, will i buy the extras? depends on quality to cost ratio.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

shnizzler93 wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

The gaming industry does not dwarf every other entertainment industry, not even close. The music industry, perhaps yes, but not movies.

Black Ops was illegally downloaded over 4 million times, Mass Effect 2 was illegally downloaded over 2 million times. Think of how much 'potential' lost revenue that could have been

The video game industry is worth much more than the movie industry,

[Ensgnblack]

As said, no one is being punished. Pre orderers are being rewarded. If you do not wish to take a risk, then you will need to pay $7. Risk v reward is the name of the game. Are you willing to buy the game before it is reviewed? If so you are rewarded. NO ONE IS BEING PUNISHED HERE.







And lay off the EA stuff. Companies exist for one reason; to make money. Corporations are in fact, obligated to make profits for their shareholders. That is their job. EA is no exception...nor is Bioware. Dont get me wrong, I love BW games, but they are not making them altruistically. They may love what htey do, I hope they do, but they create games to sell. BW is no less profit centered as their parent company, and neither are intrinsically bad forbeing profit centered. In an industry that sells non essential items like video games, there are no moral battles to be fought.

[Sejborg]

SirOccam wrote...

I think some people need to decide what they're arguing. Is it that this specific offer from BioWare is bad? Or that DLC is bad? Or that day-1 DLC is bad?

I think that this specific DLC preorder bonus is bad. I was fine with The Stone Prisoner deal though. 

[upsettingshorts]

Kajan451 wrote...

So yeah i feel kind of Blackmailed into Preordering because i want that character

That's how an incentive works.  If no-one wanted it, it wouldn't be an incentive. 

The righteous indignation in this thread isn't very compelling.  I think it's because I don't buy the "it wouldn't be a complete game without the DLC" arguments.  That and I don't hate the concept of DLC either.

But I've wasted enough time already.

[shnizzler93]

TripedWire wrote...

shnizzler93 wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

The gaming industry does not dwarf every other entertainment industry, not even close. The music industry, perhaps yes, but not movies.

Black Ops was illegally downloaded over 4 million times, Mass Effect 2 was illegally downloaded over 2 million times. Think of how much 'potential' lost revenue that could have been

The video game industry is worth much more than the movie industry,

Show me the numbers and I'll believe you

[XX-Pyro]

TripedWire wrote...

shnizzler93 wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

The gaming industry does not dwarf every other entertainment industry, not even close. The music industry, perhaps yes, but not movies.

Black Ops was illegally downloaded over 4 million times, Mass Effect 2 was illegally downloaded over 2 million times. Think of how much 'potential' lost revenue that could have been

The video game industry is worth much more than the movie industry,

This is so false I can not even begin to describe.

[TJPags]

Kajan451 wrote...

*snip*

Now if the Preorder is just some Item or some Armor i could care less, but if its actually doing something for my gaming experiance like an Additional Map, Quest and or Character, i really feel cheated out of it, if its not available for me.

And i do not see them as Bonuses. I see them as being deprived of a part of the game, just because i didn't preorder or even better... didn't live in the USA to attent to some Convention or other cheap Marketing Thingy.

*snip*

But the preorder character is, in fact, available even if you don't get the SE upgrade, and even if you don't preorder at all.

So, is there still a problem?

[Harid]

TripedWire wrote...

Harid wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

Pretty sure they don't dwarf the actual entertainment industry (movies/television), but whatever.

Yeah, it does, perhaps not combined and I can't be bothered to cite a source here but titles like CoD generate more, much more, than any fim, album, book or any other medium of entertainment.

I highly doubt CoD generated more than say Avatar.  And even if it did, I would argue there are more high selling movies released in a year than they are high selling videogame franchises.  Please, show your proof from a reputable source.

[Bryy_Miller]

This was 2004: http://www.shacknews...rticle.x?id=540

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:35 .

[PinkysPain]

It's a hard sell plain and simple.

[Da_Lion_Man]

Taint Master wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

TC has a point.

Not really. 

If you want to wait for the reviews, reserve it at a retailer that will let you cancel if you change your mind (like EB).  If that doesn't work for you... then pay 7 bucks when the game is released (omg 7 dollars?!?!?) 

You have options.

That kind of attitude will bite you in the ass someday. Sure it's only 7 dollars, no big deal but if you keep that same attitude, soon every developer will pull the same stuff, including the developers of games you're skeptical about. In other words, you are punished if you don't have blind faith in the company... sort of.

[nightcobra]

Sejborg wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

I think some people need to decide what they're arguing. Is it that this specific offer from BioWare is bad? Or that DLC is bad? Or that day-1 DLC is bad?

I think that this specific DLC preorder bonus is bad. I was fine with The Stone Prisoner deal though. 

and like i said in a previous post, i think that may be a good possibility:


"the way i see it, there are two different conditions in this 

1- pre-order the signature edition, you get sebastian for free, if not his price tag is 7 dollars 

2- project ten dollar implements aprox. 10 dollars worth of dlc if you buy a new game 

if condition 1 isn't met, condition 2 might kick in if you buy the game new and sebastian may implemented in this condition. 

if both conditions aren't met (buy the game used) you'd have to buy sebastian if you wanted him. 


that is my take on it.



reasons why i believe this to be the case:


"EA’s solution is what CEO John Riccitiello calls “Project Ten Dollar.” The goal of Project Ten Dollar is to encourage new game sales by providing free DLC that used game purchasers would have to pay ten dollars to gain access to. As part of that effort, EA announced that all Fiscal 2011 titles will feature online content."

DA2's release date is still within 2011's fiscal year which ends at march 31st (canada, since that's where they're stationed)

so... most likely new copies will still receive dlc stuff that amounts closely to 10 dollars.

sebastian (7dollars) is to me very likely to be implemented this way."

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

shnizzler93 wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

shnizzler93 wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

The gaming industry does not dwarf every other entertainment industry, not even close. The music industry, perhaps yes, but not movies.

Black Ops was illegally downloaded over 4 million times, Mass Effect 2 was illegally downloaded over 2 million times. Think of how much 'potential' lost revenue that could have been

The video game industry is worth much more than the movie industry,

Show me the numbers and I'll believe you

http://seekingalpha.com/article/89124-the-video-game-industry-an-18-billion-entertainment-juggernaut

The one-day record holder for a movie premiere is Spiderman 3, which brought in $59 million in ticket sales on its opening day. Spring's
opening blockbuster brought in $500 million in sales. It was the
biggest entertainment opening ever. But it wasn't a movie… Grand Theft Auto IV, a video game, recorded sales of $310 million… on its first day. It's
not the first time video games have made a one-day killing like that.
Game sales have outpaced movies for some time now. For the first time
last year, the video game industry surpassed the movie industry in gross sales.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

And thats old as heck, Black Ops did obscene business

[Gavinthelocust]

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

I swear this is turning into insane troll logic, not only is that statement wrong on so many levels it is downright ignorant.
The games industry is eclipsed by the movie industry by a vast amount no matter how many copies of Call of Duty get bought, we are still fairly small and considered weird/immature by much of the entertainment industry and even by the public. The fact the supreme court took in a case to decide whether games can be protected by free speech is a sign that people don't take it seriously.
Piracy is the very killer of PC gaming, you can get any game for free whether the devs agree or not. Everything is downloadable if you look in the right places, don't think that it has no effect on gaming.

[Big Mabels Diet-Plan]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

TripedWire wrote...

The games industry is a behemoth, dwarfing by orders of magnitude every other entertainment industry.
The idea that second hand trade or piracy is in any meaningful way undermining it is laughable.

I swear this is turning into insane troll logic, not only is that statement wrong on so many levels it is downright ignorant.
The games industry is eclipsed by the movie industry by a vast amount no matter how many copies of Call of Duty get bought, we are still fairly small and considered weird/immature by much of the entertainment industry and even by the public. The fact the supreme court took in a case to decide whether games can be protected by free speech is a sign that people don't take it seriously.
Piracy is the very killer of PC gaming, you can get any game for free whether the devs agree or not. Everything is downloadable if you look in the right places, don't think that it has no effect on gaming.

You idiot:

Call of Duty: Black Ops has now netted more than $1 billion in sales
since its November launch, publisher Activision has confirmed.

That makes it the fastest grossing videogame of all time, according to CEO Bobby Kotick.

"In all of entertainment, only Call of Duty and Avatar have ever
achieved the billion dollar revenue milestone this quickly," he claimed.

[Khayness]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Piracy is the very killer of PC gaming, you can get any game for free whether the devs agree or not. Everything is downloadable if you look in the right places, don't think that it has no effect on gaming.

We need to light The Busomjack Signal.

Modifié par Khayness, 08 janvier 2011 - 11:40 .

[ErichHartmann]

I've been purchasing BioWare games on blind faith since 1998. Haven't been disappointed yet. Experience trumps Internet posts that worry too much.

[Revan312]

The point of fairness is always at differing points for differing people. Most I've noticed on these forums are fine with EA/Bioware removing content out of the game for the exclusive purpose of being DLC, effectively cutting content in an attempt to make more $$$. That's a matter of opinion I suppose as they (these forum goers) don't see the problem as most are going to get the sig edition whereas the vast majority of gamers won't. I see it as greedy and manipulative but again, it's opinion.



But as long as gamers continue to say "who cares" or "It's incentive" or "You must hate Capitalism" (Which I do by the way) then we'll continue to watch the gaming industry become more and more restrictive and greedy. I can see DRM in the not to distant future becoming extremely limiting, perhaps even to the point of only allowing 1 install per purchase. Games with half the content and the rest as pay for additional content and DLC that costs 7 bucks even though it's not worth 2.. oh wait, that last one is a reality (Witch Hunt I'm looking at you).



Most of it I can see why corporations do it as they have to maximize profits by law, but what's amazing to me is that the media environment of today has actually spun the topic of capitalism so well that normal people actually defend these practices.. Brainwashing has been so effective as to actually make the little guy fight for the big guy even though the big guy is exploiting him/her.. Truly mind boggling to me..

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Lol this thread is made with every new game bioware makes.



Deal wit it

[Eclipse_9990]

ErichHartmann wrote...

I've been purchasing BioWare games on blind faith since 1998. Haven't been disappointed yet. Experience trumps Internet posts that worry too much.

^This
Bioware hasn't let me down yet. I'm willing to take my chances..