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[Potato Cat]

I like to be evil, but I also like to be polite. Unfortunately, it's usually impossible to be both.

[Liablecocksman]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

Okay then...
What would be  "pointlessly evil" action that is possible in Dragon Age: Origins, then?
Apart from slitting the throat of the wounded soldier at Ostagar.

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

I really liked how crazy evil you could become in Origins. I don't think my evil human Warden ever did a good thing to anybody. He only saved the world from the archdemon, because it threatened his own and life, and because it gave him a claim to the throne.

The murderknife was his prefered weapon and his fondest memories were killing all the elves at the camp and absorbing the essense of captive elves with strange blood magic, he definetly didn't like elves.

That was one of my favourite playthroughs, so yes, I am very much looking forward to screwing everybody again.

[Eclipse_9990]

Elfman wrote...

I like to be evil, but I also like to be polite. Unfortunately, it's usually impossible to be both.

That's not true.. You could always be classy evil(The best kind of evil btw..)
Just be polite and gentlemanly  to npc's but still do some pretty questionable things.. 

[Eclipse_9990]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

I really liked how crazy evil you could become in Origins. I don't think my evil human Warden ever did a good thing to anybody. He only saved the world from the archdemon, because it threatened his own and life, and because it gave him a claim to the throne.
The murderknife was his prefered weapon and his fondest memories were killing all the elves at the camp and absorbing the essense of captive elves with strange blood magic, he definetly didn't like elves.
That was one of my favourite playthroughs, so yes, I am very much looking forward to screwing everybody again.

Yeah.. Looking at your avatar I can tell your Warden was not a nice guy.. 

[Thiefy]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

[Eclipse_9990]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

Actually Kolgrim said that he would reward the warden.. So I wouldnt classify it as metagaming just the warden being power hungry.. 

[Ortaya Alevli]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

Actually Kolgrim said that he would reward the warden.. So I wouldnt classify it as metagaming just the warden being power hungry.. 

If anything, it also presents an opportunity for the Warden to tend to their business and be on their way with minimal danger/bloodshed.

[AndrahilAdrian]

my Hawke will be as selfish as possible, sarcastic, very manipulative and power-hungry. However, he is very loyal to the few people he actually cares about (i.e. compaions), and despite being very ruthless he doesn't hurt people just for the hell of it (well, not very often at least). Probably lawful evil in alignment, since he is very deliberate and methodical and he does have standards

[Eclipse_9990]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

Actually Kolgrim said that he would reward the warden.. So I wouldnt classify it as metagaming just the warden being power hungry.. 

If anything, it also presents an opportunity for the Warden to tend to their business and be on their way with minimal danger/bloodshed.

Exactly the warden probably could have wanted to get this over with, and decided that helping Kolgrim was the best way to get the job done..

[danteliveson]

I tried on my first run but I eventually went through as an honorable warrior.

Modifié par danteliveson, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:48 .

[Seagloom]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

If anything, it also presents an opportunity for the Warden to tend to their business and be on their way with minimal danger/bloodshed.

Indeed. On top of that Kolgrim advises the Warden to take a pinch of ashes before defiling the urn. Granted, the man was clearly a psycho, but listening to him is not much worse than following Cullen's advice in the Circle tower. Although some of the evil actions in Origins are callous to the extreme, I have to give BioWare credit for making fewer of them psychotic than in past games. I am hard pressed to think of any truly insane evil options other than the previously mentioned soldier killing in the Wilds.

Killing the hungry deserter at Ostagar, maybe? Ordering the assassination of that dwarf in the dwarf noble origin just for being insulting? That is all that immediately springs to mind.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:50 .

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

Defiling the ashes pleases one religion, keeping them untouched pleases another. My mage character had good reasons to not create a Chantry Mekkah and thereby strengthening the religious orthodoxy in the Chantry. If you didn't defile them, you'd have to eliminate an entire cult...

[Schneidend]

The Revered Mother in Lothering actually refuses to abide by the Right of Conscription. It is clear that the Chantry has become infinitely too big for its britches. That alone is reason enough to defile the Ashes.

[Eclipse_9990]

Schneidend wrote...

The Revered Mother in Lothering actually refuses to abide by the Right of Conscription. It is clear that the Chantry has become infinitely too big for its britches. That alone is reason enough to defile the Ashes.

You have a point there... Hmm maybe my canon Warden should have defiled those ashes.. 

[Aristorum]

I was always so set on being the good guy in every game and I FINALLY broke down and played a d-bag in DAO.

Funnest. Thing. Ever.

Being "evil" may not be my first run through, but I'll definitely put it as my second.

[babies8mydingo]

I like being ludicrously EVIL on a first playthough, if I start off good first time I usually slip into evil after a short while. DA: O the party loyalty thing was a real downside to this though, especially as a healer was invaluable in combat. As a result my first character in DA:O was all over the place morally (Alastair got what was coming to him though, "Such as they are").

[Shepard Lives]

Evil for the sake of evil is just about the least rewarding thing ever. For me, at least.



My first playthrough will definitely be that of a good guy. And by good guy, I don't mean a jackass.

Later on, I will play a Hawke that makes even nobler choices than the first, but who is also a douche.

Then, a highly selfish and amoral Hawke.

No "jerk who screws people over for the lulz".

[quicksilver_502]

i like to make the decisions i would make in the same situation on my first playthrough. hopefully, this means my hawke won't be too much of a jerk. of course, on subsequent playthroughs....

Modifié par quicksilver_502, 09 janvier 2011 - 07:31 .

[Eclipse_9990]

shepard_lives wrote...

Evil for the sake of evil is just about the least rewarding thing ever. For me, at least.

My first playthrough will definitely be that of a good guy. And by good guy, I don't mean a jackass.
Later on, I will play a Hawke that makes even nobler choices than the first, but who is also a douche.
Then, a highly selfish and amoral Hawke.
No "jerk who screws people over for the lulz".

^This dude.. I can understand doing good things for the sake of being good, because it feels nice and is productive in the grand scheme of things.. But ruining peoples lives because you thought it was funny... Thats just ****ing sick...

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 09 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Thiefy]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

Actually Kolgrim said that he would reward the warden.. So I wouldnt classify it as metagaming just the warden being power hungry.. 

If anything, it also presents an opportunity for the Warden to tend to their business and be on their way with minimal danger/bloodshed.

Exactly the warden probably could have wanted to get this over with, and decided that helping Kolgrim was the best way to get the job done..

By that logic wouldn't it be a not-so-evil act?

Power hungry or not, I wouldn't trust Kolgrim's word anyway. On a good playthrough I would kill him in self defense and on an Evil playthrough I would just get pissed at his arrogance. Besides, whatever he can give me pales in comparisson with the option of being able to have the ability to exploit the urn for personal gain (even if we don't have that option in game, it's something that would run through a warden's mind if she really want the "best" deal)

[Eclipse_9990]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Eh, depends on the situation i think. if it serves Hawke's purposes and she wants to do it, why not?

Kind of like when my "goodie" warden needed some money and she took on that job of throwing those bodies in the well at denerim.

I wouldn't purposesly have Hawke go out of her way to be mean or evil for the sake of it without any reason or benefit, like defiling the Sacred Ashes.

I wouldnt describe defiling Andraste's ashes as pointless evil.. I mean you got something out of it and the player knew it.. .

that's metagaming though.

my warden knew she was getting paid when she decided to hide those bodies. she doesn't/didn't know there would be a "reward" for destroying an object she needs, or could potentially exploit later on if push came to shove.

Actually Kolgrim said that he would reward the warden.. So I wouldnt classify it as metagaming just the warden being power hungry.. 

If anything, it also presents an opportunity for the Warden to tend to their business and be on their way with minimal danger/bloodshed.

Exactly the warden probably could have wanted to get this over with, and decided that helping Kolgrim was the best way to get the job done..

By that logic wouldn't it be a not-so-evil act?

Power hungry or not, I wouldn't trust Kolgrim's word anyway. On a good playthrough I would kill him in self defense and on an Evil playthrough I would just get pissed at his arrogance. Besides, whatever he can give me pales in comparisson with the option of being able to have the ability to exploit the urn for personal gain (even if we don't have that option in game, it's something that would run through a warden's mind if she really want the "best" deal)

Ah.. But what is evil mind you? Is it evil to kill a baby that would grow up to be a corrupt, and horrible dictator? Is it evil to purposely sacrifice thousands to save potential millions? Is it evil to kidnap and experiment on a specific person because him or her has special genes that could cure a potent disease? There are so many greys in life I don't even bother myself with worrying about "good", and "evil" anymore.. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:04 .

[Nj4u4]

I'm most likely gonna play though it about 7 or 10 times(origins anyway), so yea it's gonna be in there somewhere.

[Phoenix_Loftian]

I, fo one, don't believe in childish notions such as good and evil.

I'll just do the self-interested things and if they're 'evil' then so be it. That's just how real life is.

[BubbleDncr]

I like to do my first playthrough doing everything the way I would actually do it, and then my second playthrough as evil.



I had a glitch in my evil origins playthrough, where when I sacrificed Isolde and then made the deal with the demon, alistair still thanked me for saving his family. It was kind of hilarious, but also pretty annoying.



My favorite evil moment was joking with the guy who's wife was a werewolf about her fate.