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[The Big Nothing]

The Reapers constructed the Mass Relays, each of which is indestructible, even by supernova, so why don't they construct themselves similarly? Then, no matter the enemy, they would be immune to all forms of attack and be guaranteed victory against any organic race.

Ruined Mass Effect.

[PsychoWARD23]

Ummmmmmmmmmm......well...............ummmmmm........hmmmmmmmmmmmm.............yeah.....

[StefanBW]

Maybe the Relays and Citadel weren't build by the Reapers, but a race prior to that...!??



Good point though. xD

[izmirtheastarach]

How about because they are semi-organic? The Relays are just machines. Plus they can easily maintain them every time they return to harvest all life.

[The Big Nothing]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

How about because they are semi-organic? The Relays are just machines. Plus they can easily maintain them every time they return to harvest all life.

Reapers can't maintain each other like apes picking bugs from one another's fur?

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 02:51 .

[izmirtheastarach]

No, the issue is that they cannot be made indestructible, because they are made of partly organic components.

[The Big Nothing]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

No, the issue is that they cannot be made indestructible, because they are made of partly organic components.

The only organic "component" is their veins. That should make no difference, because their skeleton and shell are both made from synthetic components, which could easily be the same material as Mass Relays.

[didymos1120]

Why does everyone always cite the Mu-relay? Nothing was ever said about the Mu-relay surviving the full blast of that supernova. It wasn't even in the same system. And yet everybody acts like the thing was five feet away from the star.

[The Big Nothing]

didymos1120 wrote...

Why does everyone always cite the Mu-relay? Nothing was ever said about the Mu-relay surviving the full blast of that supernova. It wasn't even in the same system. And yet everybody acts like the thing was five feet away from the star.

Read the third point under trivia: http://masseffect.wi...iki/Mass_relays

Unbreakable, like Bruce Willis! What now, didymos? What now?

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:04 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Maybe there is a side effect to being so indestructible like mass poisoning or something. Say they do make themselves uber indestructible on the outside but on the inside they’ve got a disease or something. It could be a power or weight issue something like that can’t be moved or towed so maybe that’s why its just too damn heavy and takes too much power to operate for a useful body.

[Sidac]

It said Virtually indestructable.....so you can destroy them. Just have to figure out the 1 litle pin head size weak spot.

[Bullets McDeath]

Because the Mass Relays built the Reapers to do their bidding.

[The Big Nothing]

Sidac wrote...

It said Virtually indestructable.....so you can destroy them. Just have to figure out the 1 litle pin head size weak spot.

Irrelevant. The question is "Why don't the Reapers construct themselves from the same 'virtually' indestructible substance?"

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:30 .

[The Big Nothing]

outlaworacle wrote...

Because the Mass Relays built the Reapers to do their bidding.

Oh. My. God.

It all makes sense now. The transit system is an evil genius.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:31 .

[Bogsnot1]

Humans make cars, and you could say cars are less destructible tham humans. Does that mean humans can make each other as hardy as cars? We can strap on all sorts of body armour, but we are still squishy organics.

You are simply taking Sovereigns word that they constructed the relays. Being partially organic, that gives the Reapers an ego. When threatening "lesser species", of course they would brag about their technological superiority. Would you trust anything the Reapers said? Especially after having beaten "the unbeatable", not once, but twice. Do you trust the Batarians when they say there was never a "Leviathon of Dis"? No? Why not? They have no reason to lie, right?

If they detest organics so much, why would they have a race of organic creatures maintaining the functionality of the Citadel, rather than some self-replicating mechanical driods. What would be easier to create and maintain? Keepers, or a horde of R2-D2 style droids?

Much is said about the Mu Relay surviving a Nova blast. But has any Council race, or other race, lined up a fleet of dreadnoughts alongside a relay and bombarded it with mass accelerator cannons? Didnt think so. Thus, their "unbreakable" nature is pure speculation.



ME and ME2 are RPG's. RPG's are designed for you to think your way through problems. If you want to accept everything at face value, then yes, you allow the game to be ruined, but only for yourself. If you decide to think things through, then there is a horde of possibilities awaiting to be discovered.

[Foxhound2020]

I thought it was fairly obvious in Mass Effect 1 that someone built the Reapers and it wouldnt be hard to assume that someone also built the indestructible relay and the citadel.

[That One Display Name]

That's like asking why the airplane isn't made out of the same material as the black box.. They serve different purposes and as such are designed differently.

[The Big Nothing]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Humans make cars, and you could say cars are less destructible tham humans. Does that mean humans can make each other as hardy as cars? We can strap on all sorts of body armour, but we are still squishy organics.
You are simply taking Sovereigns word that they constructed the relays. Being partially organic, that gives the Reapers an ego. When threatening "lesser species", of course they would brag about their technological superiority. Would you trust anything the Reapers said? Especially after having beaten "the unbeatable", not once, but twice. Do you trust the Batarians when they say there was never a "Leviathon of Dis"? No? Why not? They have no reason to lie, right?
If they detest organics so much, why would they have a race of organic creatures maintaining the functionality of the Citadel, rather than some self-replicating mechanical driods. What would be easier to create and maintain? Keepers, or a horde of R2-D2 style droids?
Much is said about the Mu Relay surviving a Nova blast. But has any Council race, or other race, lined up a fleet of dreadnoughts alongside a relay and bombarded it with mass accelerator cannons? Didnt think so. Thus, their "unbreakable" nature is pure speculation.

ME and ME2 are RPG's. RPG's are designed for you to think your way through problems. If you want to accept everything at face value, then yes, you allow the game to be ruined, but only for yourself. If you decide to think things through, then there is a horde of possibilities awaiting to be discovered.

If by "think things through" you mean "suspend disbelief," then yes, the possibilities are infinite.

And the people/car analogy was awful. 

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sidac wrote...

It said Virtually indestructable.....so you can destroy them. Just have to figure out the 1 litle pin head size weak spot.

Irrelevant. The question is "Why don't the Reapers construct themselves from the same 'virtually' indestructible substance?"

How do you know that they don't? 

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Much is said about the Mu Relay surviving a Nova blast. But has any  Council race, or other race, lined up a fleet of dreadnoughts alongside a relay and bombarded it with mass accelerator cannons? Didnt think so.  Thus, their "unbreakable" nature is pure speculation.

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

The council races have had no reason to try and destory a Mass Relay, it would be catastrophic if they did. They had billions of reasons to destroy Sovreign, however.

Modifié par 1xs3thx1, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:42 .

[The Big Nothing]

That One Display Name wrote...

That's like asking why the airplane isn't made out of the same material as the black box.. They serve different purposes and as such are designed differently.

This is true.

The Relay Network is a transit system.

The Reapers are genocidal war machines.

Clearly the Mass Relays should be more durable.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well, to be serious for a moment, I think the black box/airplane comparison is a pretty good one. And honestly, we don't know for sure that they aren't constructed with similar materials... Reapers are "virtually" indestructible as well, but we've seen they can be taken down. I don't think a fleet has ever actually tried to destroy a Mass Relay, so maybe they could.

[1xs3thx1]

outlaworacle wrote...

Well, to be serious for a moment, I think the black box/airplane comparison is a pretty good one. And honestly, we don't know for sure that they aren't constructed with similar materials... Reapers are "virtually" indestructible as well, but we've seen they can be taken down. I don't think a fleet has ever actually tried to destroy a Mass Relay, so maybe they could.

Indeed.

[Sidac]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sidac wrote...

It said Virtually indestructable.....so you can destroy them. Just have to figure out the 1 litle pin head size weak spot.

Irrelevant. The question is "Why don't the Reapers construct themselves from the same 'virtually' indestructible substance?"

who says they arnt? we've fought 2. 1 took a fleet to be taken out after you killed saren the other was nowhere near completion.

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Sidac wrote...

It said Virtually indestructable.....so you can destroy them. Just have to figure out the 1 litle pin head size weak spot.

Irrelevant. The question is "Why don't the Reapers construct themselves from the same 'virtually' indestructible substance?"

How do you know that they don't? 

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Much is said about the Mu Relay surviving a Nova blast. But has any  Council race, or other race, lined up a fleet of dreadnoughts alongside a relay and bombarded it with mass accelerator cannons? Didnt think so.  Thus, their "unbreakable" nature is pure speculation.

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:48 .

[Bogsnot1]

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.

You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.

Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.