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[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

[didymos1120]

The Big Nothing wrote...
Read the third point under trivia: http://masseffect.wi...iki/Mass_relays

Unbreakable, like Bruce Willis! What now, didymos? What now?

I ignore it because it's just something someone put on a wiki without citing any source.

Modifié par didymos1120, 09 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[The Big Nothing]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

[Thompson family]

The Americans built the Golden Gate Bridge.

The Golden Gate Bridge would be difficult to destroy.

Therefore, Americans should be difficult to destroy.



Got it. Moving on now.

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

Thank you for clearing that up, now please respond to the first part of my statement.

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

What does that have to do with a flying pig, you were using that analogy, yet we know that the goal of the Reapers is to survive, we do not know the goal of a flying pig. Your analogy if more flawed than the one Bigsnot1 used. A Reaper would attempt of survive an attack, we do not know if a flying pig would.

Some things do embrace their own "death" or "slaughter", Some people in real life do when they know a greater thing will come from their death, such as a martyr. One should not presume to know the intentions of things they have not encountered.

[That One Display Name]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

Um... terrorists?
ALALALALALA *BOOM*
They seem to embrace it...

[padaE]

Is it said somewhere that the Reapers any less resistent than the Mass Relays? You are starting from an assumption that could very well be false.

[1xs3thx1]

That One Display Name wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

Um... terrorists?
ALALALALALA *BOOM*
They seem to embrace it...

I don't even know why I am bothering to argue with this person anymore. They are making assumptions based on their beliefs, and are avoiding answering some of my questions.

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

Thank you for clearing that up, now please respond to the first part of my statement.

You don't call something "virtually indestructible" if a fleet of ships can destroy it. The term "virtually" is used to express that something is resistant to conventional methods of attack. Not destructible by any conceivable means. Sovereign was destroyed by conventional means, hence, reapers are not made out of the same material as the relays. 

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

What does that have to do with a flying pig, you were using that analogy, yet we know that the goal of the Reapers is to survive, we do not know the goal of a flying pig. Your analogy if more flawed than the one Bigsnot1 used. A Reaper would attempt of survive an attack, we do not know if a flying pig would.

Some things do embrace their own "death" or "slaughter", Some people in real life do when they know a greater thing will come from their death, such as a martyr. One should not presume to know the intentions of things they have not encountered.

You may be over-analyzing the analogy. 

The point was to differentiate between fantasy and consistency. You can have fantasy, as long as you follow the established rules of this fantastical realm.
So, let me rework my analogy so it makes more sense to you:

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. All of these flying pigs want to survive. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

There, now we can move on. 

[DukeOfNukes]

Why are we using the basis of an article on a wiki site for the idea that relays are indestructible? Able to withstand a lot and indestructible are very different. We have no real idea of how near the star it was...and while it certainly survived a pretty severe amount. Based on our own Solar system, the relay is around 40+ AU from the sun...and they were most likely designed to suffer such a blast.



Do we have any reason to believe that a Reaper couldn't survive such a blast?

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

Thank you for clearing that up, now please respond to the first part of my statement.

You don't call something "virtually indestructible" if a fleet of ships can destroy it. The term "virtually" is used to express that something is resistant to conventional methods of attack. Not destructible by any conceivable means. Sovereign was destroyed by conventional means, hence, reapers are not made out of the same material as the relays. 

As Didymos said, we don't even know if that source if legitmate. Let us assume that it is. Has anyone actually tried to destroy a Mass Relay before? If they have, what methods have they used? The Council races do not even understand how a Mass Relay works. Sovereign was only destroyed because Shepard "shocked it" by killing its Avatar.

You are making an assumption that the Repears are built from something different to the Mass Relays. You have no evidence, you have no way of knowing. You are basing your argument over the relative term "virtually indestructable" that was from a source that has not been verified.

Tell me, where is it said in the Mass Effect universe that "virtually indestructable" means a fleet of ships cannot destroy it, and it cannot be destroyed by conventional tactics. The only way of knowing that would be if the Council knows what it is made of, and has tested their theory out on a real sample of the material the Mass Relays are made from. We have no evidence they have done that, do we? 

They have never tried to do it as far as we know, and the fact that the Mass Relays are extremely important to the Council means that they're probably unwilling to risk damaging them.

[The Big Nothing]

That One Display Name wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The analogy wasnt designed to be perfect, no analogy ever is.
You are able to suspend disbelief about Mass Relays in general, about Biotics, about glowing omnitools that appear out of your forearm, about asexual Asari capable of reproducing with any known species, weapons firing sand-grain sized projectiles, yet you have taken this one example claimed it ruined the game.
Either pick fault with everything "illogical" in the game, or suspend disbelief for everything. As I said, you are only ruining it for yourself by placing limitations on what you think is possible in the game world. Feel free to go off and write your own game if you demand everything to comply to your whims.

There is a difference between the fantastical and the inconsistent.

If I say all pigs can fly, that is fantastical. If those pigs don't use their flight capabilities to escape slaughter, that is inconsistent.

Not if they do not wish to escape. You are placing your belief of what a flying pig, a mystical creature, would want, over what a flying pig would actually want, Now that is being inconsistent.

Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter.

Um... terrorists?
ALALALALALA *BOOM*
They seem to embrace it...

You see how easily these topics get de-railed? It's like I'm talking to primary school kids.

"He didn't say that these pigs were Buddhist." C'mon.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 04:16 .

[The Big Nothing]

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

Thank you for clearing that up, now please respond to the first part of my statement.

You don't call something "virtually indestructible" if a fleet of ships can destroy it. The term "virtually" is used to express that something is resistant to conventional methods of attack. Not destructible by any conceivable means. Sovereign was destroyed by conventional means, hence, reapers are not made out of the same material as the relays. 

Snip

You didn't answer my question. Why  doesn't Shepard pilot the Citadel to a star and activate it? We know that Mass Relays are mobile, as evidenced by the Mu Relay, so all we'd need is a great big tether wrapped around the Destiny Ascension.

[Squeeze the Fish]

"Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter."



I thought Thane was pretty down with the whole death thing. And didn't Benezia ask you to kill her?



Not the point, I realize, but there it is.

[1xs3thx1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

Exactly, Soveriegn was "Virtually indestructable". That was until an entire fleet bombarded it until it was destroyed. For all we know, the Reapers could be made of the SAME things as the Mass Relays.

And it only took the might of Shepard & Friends on foot to kill a baby reaper. 

Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it in front of a star and activate it?

That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.

I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?

Right. How does one "activate" reading comprehension?

"Whatsmore, why don't Shepard & Friends over-take the Citadel, pilot it [the Citadel] in front of a star and activate it [The Citadel]?" You see, "it" stays consistent.

Thank you for clearing that up, now please respond to the first part of my statement.

You don't call something "virtually indestructible" if a fleet of ships can destroy it. The term "virtually" is used to express that something is resistant to conventional methods of attack. Not destructible by any conceivable means. Sovereign was destroyed by conventional means, hence, reapers are not made out of the same material as the relays. 

Snip

You didn't answer my question. Why  doesn't Shepard pilot the Citadel to a star and activate it? We know that Mass Relays are mobile, as evidenced by the Mu Relay, so all we'd need is a great big tether wrapped around the Destiny Ascension.

Nor did you respond to my statement. This topic is not about "why didn't Shepard do this". Make another topic for that, and I may respond, I do not intend to go off topic.

[FRSHPRNFILL]

To Big Nothing - I like how you called another analogy horrible earlier yet you use an analogy comparing the ability to fly with animals against the reapers using technology on the mass relay on themselves to keep them indestructible. Using analogies aren't the best way to prove a point.

Modifié par FRSHPRNFILL, 09 janvier 2011 - 04:24 .

[Sidac]

The Big Nothing wrote...
 We know that Mass Relays are mobile, as evidenced by the Mu Relay, so all we'd need is a great big tether wrapped around the Destiny Ascension.

Play ME1 again, talk to Benezia and the rachni queen, come back and reread what you wrote.

[The Big Nothing]

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

"Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter."

I thought Thane was pretty down with the whole death thing. And didn't Benezia ask you to kill her?

Not the point, I realize, but there it is.

First, nothing embraces its own death for the sake of dying. If you have a belief in the afterlife or are suffering, that changes things considerably.
Second, these are fictional characters.
In the face of death, every species will fight for survival. While there are individual anomalies, the general rule applies.
We all exist here on these forums because somewhere long ago ****** erectus suffered through cold nights, explosive diarrhea, and saber-toothed tiger fights. For what? Just survival.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 09 janvier 2011 - 04:27 .

[Squeeze the Fish]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

"Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter."

I thought Thane was pretty down with the whole death thing. And didn't Benezia ask you to kill her?

Not the point, I realize, but there it is.

First, nothing embraces its own death for the sake of dying. If you have a belief in the afterlife or are suffering, that changes things considerably.
Second, these are fictional characters.
In the face of death, every species will fight for survival. While there are individual anomalies, the general rule applies.
We all exist here on these forums because somewhere long ago ****** erectus suffered through cold nights, explosive diarrhea, and saber-toothed tiger fights. For what? Just survival.

Oh? I was under the impression we were talking about an entire fictional series. My bad!

[1xs3thx1]

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

Squeeze the Fish wrote...

"Survival is the most basic instinct. It is the theme of the Mass Effect trilogy, as a matter of fact. Nothing embraces its own slaughter."

I thought Thane was pretty down with the whole death thing. And didn't Benezia ask you to kill her?

Not the point, I realize, but there it is.

First, nothing embraces its own death for the sake of dying. If you have a belief in the afterlife or are suffering, that changes things considerably.
Second, these are fictional characters.
In the face of death, every species will fight for survival. While there are individual anomalies, the general rule applies.
We all exist here on these forums because somewhere long ago ****** erectus suffered through cold nights, explosive diarrhea, and saber-toothed tiger fights. For what? Just survival.

Oh? I was under the impression we were talking about an entire fictional series. My bad!

They've stopped actually putting up a decent argument now. Slightly comedic comments like yours as in order, I think.

Modifié par 1xs3thx1, 09 janvier 2011 - 04:32 .