Depends, Dionkey. Thanix guns reportedly have "cruiser level" firepower, whatever that means. Cruisers didn't do much or anything against Sovereign. Assuming scaled up versions, 600-800 meters is about the size of Thanix guns on Reapers (since they are 2KM in length according to codex and the main guns on them are far less than half their length). Assuming Reaper scale thanix guns can damage reapers (we don't know if they can or not), then small Dreadnought size or heavy cruiser scale guns will be able to go toe to toe with Reapers.
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#102
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 01:22
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The Thanix itself is overrated. It has the same firepower as a cruiser MA cannon, but can be used in frigates and fighters.Dionkey wrote...
Just a thought here but won't thanix cannons make a huge difference once the whole fleet is armed with them?
#103
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 01:25
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Maybe Relays are too damn heavy from that construction so that only supernova can move them.
#104
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 01:29
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Thanks for both quick replies as I was unaware of this, I suppose they will just make it that Sovereign was stronger because he was so vital and that some of the other Reapers are less important =/ Not really opposed to this or anything but that kind of detracts from the idea of their menacing description. I guess Reapers thanix cannons could be more advanced and benefit from the length of the barrel as Adam stated and could be implemented in our ships if we have more time to research them.
#105
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 01:37
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Reaper guns are certainly more powerful than the SR2's thanix, since it was a miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. It would be very strange if they could shrink it without sacrificing a lot of firepower in the process. Whether or not our thanix is as good as theirs pound for pound is totally unknowable from the information we have. Might be identical tech wise, or they might be way better.
#106
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 06:04
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I'm going to be the Devil's Advocate.
I totally agree with The Big Nothing. The ending of ME1 is just so American. There is a giant ship with superior intelligence no one can defeat. But there is on man who breaks one part of it and shoooo....no problem, the monster is dead within seconds.
This is just so American type of SCI-FI with logical holes, pointed to be sold as much as possible and earn profit as much as possible. FOR THE MASSES.
Apart from the Big Nothing's question I have another one:
Why the hell every alien speaks perfect english and alien females have 2 titts and a figure of a model? Is every alien in the galaxy a mammal?? Why they look like humans: 2 eyes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a nose, mouth, lips and so on? Going htis way Jacob could be of a different species - the AFROAMERICANS.
LOUSY SCI-FI, but good RPG.
Regards.
I totally agree with The Big Nothing. The ending of ME1 is just so American. There is a giant ship with superior intelligence no one can defeat. But there is on man who breaks one part of it and shoooo....no problem, the monster is dead within seconds.
This is just so American type of SCI-FI with logical holes, pointed to be sold as much as possible and earn profit as much as possible. FOR THE MASSES.
Apart from the Big Nothing's question I have another one:
Why the hell every alien speaks perfect english and alien females have 2 titts and a figure of a model? Is every alien in the galaxy a mammal?? Why they look like humans: 2 eyes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a nose, mouth, lips and so on? Going htis way Jacob could be of a different species - the AFROAMERICANS.
LOUSY SCI-FI, but good RPG.
Regards.
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#107
Posté 09 janvier 2011 - 07:42
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Aliens don't speak perfect English, there's translators... as is mentioned in the games...
Asari have two breasts on their chest because they're a bipedal mammalian species. We don't know if quarians are mammalian or not, so that can't be considered wrong either. As for other species, I'm not aware of any time females of other species are shown, or if they are, we can't tell the difference between them and males of their species, implying that they DON'T have breasts. And it's heavily hinted that the Reapers are in some way affecting evolution of different species, which is why so many of the important ones have that body type. (or maybe that just is the most efficient body type? I dunno)
This doesn't fix everything, of course, but it does explain some of the potential issues.
Asari have two breasts on their chest because they're a bipedal mammalian species. We don't know if quarians are mammalian or not, so that can't be considered wrong either. As for other species, I'm not aware of any time females of other species are shown, or if they are, we can't tell the difference between them and males of their species, implying that they DON'T have breasts. And it's heavily hinted that the Reapers are in some way affecting evolution of different species, which is why so many of the important ones have that body type. (or maybe that just is the most efficient body type? I dunno)
This doesn't fix everything, of course, but it does explain some of the potential issues.
#108
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 01:11
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Yeah right, translators. What you said is not explanation. It is the EXCUSE.
#109
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 01:16
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Translators are a perfectly good explanation in-story.
Why shouldn't there be bipedal races with symmetry? A lack of symmetry is likely very rare in the galaxy, and there are a number of non-bipedal races as well.
Why shouldn't there be bipedal races with symmetry? A lack of symmetry is likely very rare in the galaxy, and there are a number of non-bipedal races as well.
#110
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 05:38
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The other part, the part about alien body types, yeah, that one is difficult to explain away. Yes, it's a bit of an excuse. I'm not denying that. But why aren't translators a good explanation? Sure, the way aliens' mouths move shouldn't align with what you hear and real-time translation is not possible without mindreading, but I think we can excuse that as just a simplification to add to the cinematic experience. The actual translation into English, there's nothing I can see that's wrong with just saying "they use translators". That works as an explanation for me.
#111
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 05:55
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szkasypcze wrote...
I'm going to be the Devil's Advocate.
I totally agree with The Big Nothing. The ending of ME1 is just so American. There is a giant ship with superior intelligence no one can defeat. But there is on man who breaks one part of it and shoooo....no problem, the monster is dead within seconds.
This is just so American type of SCI-FI with logical holes, pointed to be sold as much as possible and earn profit as much as possible. FOR THE MASSES.
Apart from the Big Nothing's question I have another one:
Why the hell every alien speaks perfect english and alien females have 2 titts and a figure of a model? Is every alien in the galaxy a mammal?? Why they look like humans: 2 eyes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a nose, mouth, lips and so on? Going htis way Jacob could be of a different species - the AFROAMERICANS.
LOUSY SCI-FI, but good RPG.
Regards.
By American do you mean Canadien:P?
Sir, it is an idealized Sci-fi RPG. For instance, notice much in the way of fat people? "Little people?" etc..?
Next, they're pushing the whole insterspecial relations thing throughout the game (are the devs into beastilality or something?). Would that be enticing if the other races looked all Kung Pow and had one boob
?You are right about most developers not making games that are horror stories, where the "good guys" do not win/ get the girl(s)/become filthy rich and famous/do not come out "on top."
But would most people want to play a game (Sci-fi or not) that has some horrically depressing ending? Probably not.
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#112
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 06:54
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You might assume that they are made of the same materials and that the shots which took out Soverign in ME1 were lucky hits at joint areas which, due to their movement, would structurally weaker.
Another thing to concider is that the Reapers are able to land on planets, albeit with the aid of large mass effect fields. While a stationary object like the relay could be solidly manufactured of compressed composites and making it diamond hard without the worry of brittleness, the Reaper vessel's skin would need to be able to handle tortional and longitudinal stresses when performing a manuver in atmosphere. Like when joker said that the reaper just pulled a turn that would shear most ships in half, that force would have shattered the probably denser materials of the relay. While the mass would be lightened, it would still withstand monsterous stressed that would need to be absorbed as opposed to causing structural weakness to develop. Hope this helps.
Another thing to concider is that the Reapers are able to land on planets, albeit with the aid of large mass effect fields. While a stationary object like the relay could be solidly manufactured of compressed composites and making it diamond hard without the worry of brittleness, the Reaper vessel's skin would need to be able to handle tortional and longitudinal stresses when performing a manuver in atmosphere. Like when joker said that the reaper just pulled a turn that would shear most ships in half, that force would have shattered the probably denser materials of the relay. While the mass would be lightened, it would still withstand monsterous stressed that would need to be absorbed as opposed to causing structural weakness to develop. Hope this helps.
#113
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:04
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Volus Warlord wrote...
Sir, it is an idealized Sci-fi RPG. For instance, notice much in the way of fat people? "Little people?" etc..?
That's less to do with idealization and more to do with saving time and money by re-using the same basic body models.
Less seriously: Yes, in fact, I have. The Volus are both bulbous and short.
#114
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:06
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swenson wrote...
The other part, the part about alien body types, yeah, that one is difficult to explain away. Yes, it's a bit of an excuse. I'm not denying that. But why aren't translators a good explanation? Sure, the way aliens' mouths move shouldn't align with what you hear and real-time translation is not possible without mindreading, but I think we can excuse that as just a simplification to add to the cinematic experience. The actual translation into English, there's nothing I can see that's wrong with just saying "they use translators". That works as an explanation for me.
I also thing that translators are a good explanation, something that is even referred in dialog with Thane when he calls Shepard Siha and Shep thinks his translater just glitched cuz s/he didnt understand what it means.
Lip synching is there just to make us gamers lives easier. Atleast my head explodes when I watch dubbed content with very off lipsynch... And I hate dubbing in general.
Though it would be amusing to see Thane speaking with exaggerated hand movements and facial expressions with overacted english dub a'la old bad Hong Kong Kung Fu movies... 
In other words, would anyone really like if Mass Effect looked like this when talking to aliens?
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#115
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:36
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That wasn't a baby Reaper, I have no idea where you got that idea from. It was a Reaper under construction. A Mass Relay under construction would have more weak points than a completed one. That Reaper was also a new design, it wasn't built to be the same as the others, so it is not a proper example of the durability of a standard reaper such as Sovereign.
I didn't know the citadel even had any type of movement capability aside from a gravitational mass, furthermore, how can one "activate" a star?
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The Americans built the Golden Gate Bridge.
The Golden Gate Bridge would be difficult to destroy.
Therefore, Americans should be difficult to destroy.
Got it. Moving on now.
it's times like these i start to lose faith in humanity.
#116
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:41
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That One Display Name wrote...
Um... terrorists?
ALALALALALA *BOOM*
They seem to embrace it...
oh my god
#117
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:50
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szkasypcze wrote...
Yeah right, translators. What you said is not explanation. It is the EXCUSE.
What would you have them do?
Invent several new languages? No.
Record several phrases with 'alien' gibberish and play them randomly when an alien speaks (KoTOR)? I'd rather have everyone speak English.
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#118
Posté 10 janvier 2011 - 07:57
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the big problem with "anti-reaper thanix cannon" is the fact that we don't have enough eezo to duplicate their shielding capacity. We might have fair imitations of their weapons, but we don't have their freaking enormous element zero cores, which is presumably where Sovereign's nearly unbreakable shields came from.
#119
Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 10:46
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Valikdu wrote...
szkasypcze wrote...
Yeah right, translators. What you said is not explanation. It is the EXCUSE.
What would you have them do?
Invent several new languages? No.
Record several phrases with 'alien' gibberish and play them randomly when an alien speaks (KoTOR)? I'd rather have everyone speak English.
Nothing. The conctat with alien species is just not possible. At least not the way they showed it in ME. This game would not be created if it was supposed to be close to reality. But they could at least try.
Doesn't any one get the feeling that ME characters structure (alien races) is so close in idea to Star Trek?? This going to hunt SCI-FI forever. GEEEEEEZZZZ!
#120
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 12:25
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I mean, the most important part of sci-fi is realism
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#121
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 12:45
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Realism is what seperates scifi from fantasy. So yes, it is extremely important.scottelite wrote...
I mean, the most important part of sci-fi is realism
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no.
#122
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 12:48
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The Big Nothing wrote...
The Reapers constructed the Mass Relays, each of which is indestructible, even by supernova, so why don't they construct themselves similarly? Then, no matter the enemy, they would be immune to all forms of attack and be guaranteed victory against any organic race.
Ruined Mass Effect.
But seriously
#123
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 12:48
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Vaenier wrote...
Realism is what seperates scifi from fantasy. So yes, it is extremely important.scottelite wrote...
I mean, the most important part of sci-fi is realism
rite
no.
lol. That's funny.
#124
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 01:34
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The relays are not indestructable, what do you think will happen if i fire a thanix cannon or a MA round from a dreadnought into the eezoo core? Also ive said it before and ill say it again tow the relay into a star and leave it there. problem solved
#125
Posté 19 janvier 2011 - 01:46
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The Big Nothing wrote...
...it is ridiculous that a machine race with millions of years to plot didn't think, "Hmm, you know, maybe we should probe some planets and get those hull upgrades."...
The mini-game was pissing them off!
Flaw solved.
