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[Phaelducan]

"but its a business so i guess FUN is less important then revenue"



Hey Stephen Hawking... this game crushed it in sales. CRUSHED it. The game is fun, you are in the minority. You want to go play Baldur's Gate? Hit up gog.com and download it, but you are delusional if you think the millions (MILLIONS) of people who either have already played or will soon play (on PS3) ME2 don't know what a fun game is.



This is such a stupid and tired argument now. Go out and search for ME2 and "Game of the Year" and you'll find hits left and right. The ratings were sky high, the sales were sky high, the reviews were sky high.



This isn't 1997, and don't be such a pratt. You are in the minority... and no, we aren't all delusional...

[Pwnsaur]

I think the OP was caught in a moment of frustration, probably with the game paused while he posted his rant. The only thing he mentions that isn't purely subjective is the larger focus on the combat in ME2. While I didn't find it overwhelming I can somewhat empathize with him in this regard. While the core mechanics of the combat in ME2 were vastly improved, I believe there was a bit too much emphasis to display this new system thus leaving some gamers with a bit of 'battle fatigue.'



Agree or disagree, this point of emphasis was clearly discernible and a legitimate concern for some people. I hope now, with ME2 effectively showcasing the improved shooting mechanics that ME3 can focus more on their greatest achievement: storytelling mastery.

[FRSHPRNFILL]

Oh lordy, console blamers. As low as an anti-semite or racist.

To OP - The gameplay feels nearly the same as in doing side missions (without having the mako and landing on less planets) and talking to people. If you're talking about action, then everybody I've heard from has enjoyed the revamping and called it less aggravating (Besides no inventory or them adding thermal clips, which I doubt would increase any profits what so ever). Gathering credits and resources only makes it more of an rpg than a shooter (Not to mention to use them to upgrade your equipment). I don't see much shooters that do much of that.

[xentar]

Phaelducan wrote...

"but its a business so i guess FUN is less important then revenue"
[...]
You want to go play Baldur's Gate? Hit up gog.com and download it...
[...]
This isn't 1997, and don't be such a pratt. You are in the minority... and no, we aren't all delusional...

Problem is, there are only so many Baldur's Gate games. And anything new gets "hollywoodized", so, oldschool players are left out.

[darknoon5]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Because the vocal, whiney, Xbox shootemup minority outweighed the silent majority who have been Bioware fans since Baldurs Gate.

My "lols!" for the day right here.
Also, just like ME2 is better then ME1, BG2 is better then BG1. Little something called change, as not everybody is living in the nineties. Besides, ME was originally xbox exclusive anyway.

Modifié par darknoon5, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:20 .

[Nightwriter]

I am curious who these "old school gamers" are, what they want, what they are being denied, and why they think it's happening.

I do not feel I have a good grasp of their platform.

[FRSHPRNFILL]

Nightwriter wrote...

I am curious who these "old school gamers" are, what they want, what they are being denied, and why they think it's happening.

I do not feel I have a good grasp of their platform.

They want to exterminate das console gamers from the world.

[darknoon5]

FRSHPRNFILL wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I am curious who these "old school gamers" are, what they want, what they are being denied, and why they think it's happening.

I do not feel I have a good grasp of their platform.

They want to exterminate das console gamers from the world.

They are their/our salvation through destruction.

[Phaelducan]

They want every RPG made from now on to emulate CRPG products made more than a decade ago. They are being denied their right to get insta-wiped by a stupid level 3 mage who casts a sleep spell which miraculously your entire party fails their save against. They think it's happening because those of us who like ME2 clearly only ever played Halo and COD on platforms.

[didymos1120]

adam_grif wrote...

 The oldschool RPG mechanics driving modern third person shooter combat went about as well as mixing sodium and water.

Provided you properly observe safety precautions, I see nothing wrong with mixing sodium and water.  It's quite entertaining, in fact.

[GodWood]

adam_grif wrote...

ok mass effect 1 , WAS AWESOME.

Most people disagree.

I don't believe that's the case at all.
Most people say ME1 was an awesome game.

[Elvis_Mazur]

There is also a lot shoot-shoot and collect credits in ME1... ah the hypocrisy.

[Jigero]

PetrySilva wrote...

There is also a lot shoot-shoot and collect credits in ME1... ah the hypocrisy.

Naw man it was Shoot-shoot and turn crap into omni-gel for an hour. Clearly that's superior.

[Shockwave81]

stickmanhenry wrote...

I really want to see the effect of our choices from Me2 in Me3, before I start passing judgement on the story. If we see all our surviving squadmembers return with full roles, along with fully fleshed out stories, then it will be a groundbreaking feat and give the story of Me2 a LOT of weight. If most of them are cut regardless, and we are given new squaddies then the entire story will feel like a gigantic waste of time.

Having played ME2 again recently I tend to agree with stickmanhenry's sentiment. 

I'm going to try as hard as I can not to get my hopes up for ME3 as I did with ME2, I'm slapping down my imagination each time it tries to come up with what ifs and maybes for ME3.  I'm merely excited about seeing my main FemShep fighting the fight of her life - no matter what that ends up being.  If I keep my expectations low, and simple, then fingers crossed I should be pleasantly surprised. 

I just have to avoid character reveals, trailers, and indepth interviews for the next 12 months or so!!  Oh god this will be hard. 

[Shockwave81]

PetrySilva wrote...

There is also a lot shoot-shoot and collect credits in ME1... ah the hypocrisy.

Also agree with PetrySilva.

[TMZuk]

wait..... did ME2 have a story??



Oh yes. Gather companions and kill the bad guy.



ME2 was, IMO, not an RPG but simply an amusing shoot 'em up game. Since it would seem many features from ME2 is reused in DA2, silly class and weapon-restrictions and third person narrative being the most obvious, I doubt I'll consider DA2 an RPG either.

[darknoon5]

Jigero wrote...

PetrySilva wrote...

There is also a lot shoot-shoot and collect credits in ME1... ah the hypocrisy.

Naw man it was Shoot-shoot and turn crap into omni-gel for an hour. Clearly that's superior.

Yep, omni-gelling everything I wasn't wearing added a real layer of depth and immersion that made ME1 so superior as an RPG.

[darknoon5]

TMZuk wrote...

wait..... did ME2 have a story??

Oh yes. Gather companions and kill the bad guy.

ME2 was, IMO, not an RPG but simply an amusing shoot 'em up game. Since it would seem many features from ME2 is reused in DA2, silly class and weapon-restrictions and third person narrative being the most obvious, I doubt I'll consider DA2 an RPG either.

Then you have a very closed definition of what an RPG is.

[Nightwriter]

ME2 was an RPG. If some of us think it wasn't a terribly good RPG, well, that's our opinions. But it was an RPG.

You simply think it wasn't because it significantly limited your ability to roleplay the character you created in ME1.

[darknoon5]

Nightwriter wrote...

ME2 was an RPG. If some of us think it wasn't a terribly good RPG, well, that's our opinions. But it was an RPG.

You simply think it wasn't because it significantly limited your ability to roleplay the character you created in ME1.

Agreed.

[Da_Lion_Man]

mike31181 wrote...

ok mass effect 1 , WAS AWESOME....why did bioware change everything in mass effect 2?....im almost done mass effect 2 and right now im saying wow i think im going to pop in mass effect 1 because it was FUN...im playing mass effect 2 because i like the story line thats it...but the gameplay is just shoot and collect credits...like i said the story line is awesome..BUT the gameplay is not unless you prefir an action game then rpg...what happened? is it to appeal to the general population to increase sales.................if i was bioware id keep it the same .,..but its a business so i guess FUN is less important then revenue...anyways im probably going to get bashed on this....and its probably been talked about before........

I understand where you're coming from brah.

[Phaelducan]

Why can't this be put to rest? Whatever misguided notions people have about what an RPG is... ME2 was definitely an RPG, and not even loosely-defined.



Pick a legitimate source, and ME2 will be labeled as an RPG. This genre-elitism is absurd.

[DarthCaine]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Because the vocal, whiney, Xbox shootemup minority outweighed the silent majority who have been Bioware fans since Baldurs Gate.

Whaa??

Just take a look at this forum and see all the vocal whiney RPG elitists minority. Just check EVERY SINGLE SITE AND POLL IN EXISTENCE to see that most say ME2 > ME1.

Seriously RPG purists are biggest whiners I've ever seen. Who cares what genre it is as long as it's awesome as ME2

Modifié par DarthCaine, 09 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[Mudzr]

I play games pretty much for the story and yet ME2 was a much better, and more playable game. Actually it was probably better in every way except for story (and the universe/ atmosphere and stuff that ties into that), and I have a lot more fun playing the game then going through ME1, and that was one of my favourite games ever.

If you want a more traditional RPG play DAO, and while I really did like that game, great story and all I find myself struggling to complete it a second time.



Yeah ok ME2 was dumbed down a bit, but for good reason, Yes they overdid it but hopefully ME3 will restore the balance a bit whilst delivering an awesome story.