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[IrishGunman]

 Greatest villian in the game, and you felt sorry for him. He just was trying to save the universe and failed, and became what he fought aginist.

[lazuli]

He's certainly more compelling than the Reapers.

[Mikenator700]

Saren was already a sadistic bastardo to start out with. And still, it took Shepard's highest Renagade/Paragon option to put a bullet in his own head.

[Nina-Serena]

I really missed Saren in ME2~ He's a fantastic villain and far more interesting than the collectors.

Though I really wish the developers went with the less military concept art for him, he looks so much cooler! *Pimp Cane FTW*

Modifié par Nina-Serena, 09 janvier 2011 - 06:17 .

[pacer90]

Sovereign was a better villan imo. He was over-confident, but he actually had reason to be unlike so many other villans in fiction. You really felt like he was impossible to beat and you were truly f'ed.

[General Douchington]

pacer90 wrote...
 He was over-confident, but he actually had reason to be unlike so many other villans in fiction.

Sovereign wasn't a person. Maybe that's why.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

IrishGunman wrote...

 Greatest villian in the game, and you felt sorry for him. He just was trying to save the universe and failed, and became what he fought aginist.

Wouldn't that mean he wasn't a villain in the first place? That he was more of a "failed hero" than a villain?

[Kim Shepard]

Most talk about Saren happens in the Garrus and turian discussion thread, which might be why he doesn't have his own thread by now. I know I talk about him all the time. He's my favorite character.

I think of him more as a rival than a villain. Sovereign is the villain, without a doubt. Saren and Shepard both wanted to save organic life - same goal, but they went about it in completely different ways.

Nina-Serena wrote...

I really missed Saren in ME2~ He's a fantastic villain and far more interesting than the collectors.

Though I really wish the developers went with the less military concept art for him, he looks so much cooler! *Pimp Cane FTW*

I missed him too.

I liked the concept art and his final look, but a more military appearance at least works better for Revelation when he didn't use biotics. If I had to guess, he kept the armor because he still fights like a soldier.

[Nina-Serena]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Most talk about Saren happens in the Garrus and turian discussion thread, which might be why he doesn't have his own thread by now. I know I talk about him all the time. He's my favorite character.

I think of him more as a rival than a villain. Sovereign is the villain, without a doubt. Saren and Shepard both wanted to save organic life - same goal, but they went about it in completely different ways.

Nina-Serena wrote...



I really missed Saren in ME2~ He's a fantastic villain and far more interesting than the collectors.

Though I really wish the developers went with the less military concept art for him, he looks so much cooler! *Pimp Cane FTW*

I missed him too.

I liked the concept art and his final look, but a more military appearance at least works better for Revelation when he didn't use biotics. If I had to guess, he kept the armor because he still fights like a soldier.

Oh yes, totally agree and as you said he wasn't a 'proper' villain so using the concept art design would of made him look more... natural evil than unlawful justice. 
If that makes sense~ Haha~

[NOSAR]

He might return

[Kim Shepard]

The concept art made me think of someone who's had biotics for a very long time, their whole fighting style was developed around it, and mainly used long-range combat. It's a great design, I just don't know how it would look on a guy who fights like a soldier who uses biotics like a secret weapon, only if necessary. (If I remember right, the only time we've seen him use biotics is against Shepard.) Saren's fighting style and interrogation methods also tend to be very "in your face," like when he lifted Shepard on Virmire. A guy who mostly uses biotics would have probably lifted Shepard with biotics.

It could be because the armor looks less like a traditional villain's outfit too. I hadn't thought of that.

NOSAR wrote...

He might return

I wish. I don't expect it though. At least he'll be in Evolution.

[NOSAR]

Shepp came back, why not him?

[Kim Shepard]

Well, my Shepard would try her best to convince TIM to resurrect Saren. I'm not sure if he'd do that for a turian, one that he possibly has a bad history with. I really want it to happen. Just not getting my hopes up, that's all. But if they decide to bring him back, and he's on Shepard's team, ME3 would probably be my favorite game ever.

[IrishGunman]

Oh yeah, Saren is dead.

[Kim Shepard]

mrsph wrote...

NOSAR wrote...

Shepp came back, why not him?

Because Saren didn't even leave a corpse behind.

Shepard didn't leave that much of a corpse either. I think as long as they have some of his DNA, it could be possible.

[Nina-Serena]

Very interesting thought~ but even with DNA would they be able to recover his memories and personality, considering he was shot through the head?



Either way, if he somehow returned my life would be complete

[Eradyn]

They had Shep's body, even if it was badly damaged. Saren is literally dust now. At most they could clone him from left-over dna...but Saren as we knew him is gone forever.



And he was a pretty rotten bastard before Sovereign. Only difference is he became a rotten bastard-puppet afterward. But I still thought he made a pretty awesome villain.

[darknoon5]

pacer90 wrote...

Sovereign was a better villan imo. He was over-confident, but he actually had reason to be unlike so many other villans in fiction. You really felt like he was impossible to beat and you were truly f'ed.

Yep.
Saren was just a plain amoral douche, nothing mystical or grey about him. Maybe he did join up with the reapers to try to save the galaxy, but if you read revelation, I get the distinct impression he originally only wanted to use Sovereign to wipe out humanity.

[Madolin]

Even if they cloned Saren, he still wouldn't exactly be "Saren" and thus it wouldn't be the same character that many of us love. I say just leave him dead and write bad fanfictions about it.

I liked/loved Saren the way he was.

Modifié par Madolin, 09 janvier 2011 - 10:19 .

[Kim Shepard]

Nina-Serena wrote...

Very interesting thought~ but even with DNA would they be able to recover his memories and personality, considering he was shot through the head?

I'm sure Shepard had a lot of damage to the head too. When they recovered the body in Redemption, they couldn't even tell by looking if Shepard was a man or a woman. As for memories and personality, there's no real way to know, so whatever BioWare says is "truth."

Either way, if he somehow returned my life would be complete

So would my MainShep's.

[Punahedan]

Madolin wrote...
 I say just leave him dead and write bad fanfictions about it.

SCREW YOU, my fanfics about Shepard exploring Saren's new cloned body are SO GOOD. You have no taste! 

Guiz, clearly the Reapers have been searching for Saren's DNA in humans (since he slept with all humans everywhere) so they could gather enough to put him back together cell by cell.

(Am I facetious enough yet?)

[Nina-Serena]

Madolin wrote...

Even if they cloned Saren, he still would exactly be Saren and thus it wouldn't be the same character that many of us love. I say just leave him dead and write bad fanfictions about it.

I liked/loved Saren the way he was.

Unfortunately you're right, returning Saren as some shy, push over noob would be devastating. lol

[darknoon5]

If Saren came back, I'd fill him with bullet holes and feed him to Grunt and Urz.

I like him as a villian, but that's the point. You're not supposed to be on friendly terms with the guy, he makes renegade shep look like a fluffy kitten.

[Kim Shepard]

darknoon5 wrote...

Yep.
Saren was just a plain amoral douche, nothing mystical or grey about him. Maybe he did join up with the reapers to try to save the galaxy, but if you read revelation, I get the distinct impression he originally only wanted to use Sovereign to wipe out humanity.

He didn't want to wipe out humanity, but he definitely wanted revenge against the Alliance. Judging by the last page of Revelation, he wants humanity to learn their place, and unless he considers their place in the grace, that doesn't imply death to all humans. I'm sure death was involved in his plans for the Alliance though. He was even angry at the Council for making turians pay reparations after the war.

Everything else he did was basically "Renegade." Renegade Shepard can make many similar choices.

Madolin wrote...

I liked/loved Saren the way he was.

I agree with this. Even if he doesn't get resurrected (as I said, I'm not expecting it), I'll be happy with the extra information about him in Evolution.