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[EpicGamerMonkey]

If you can't make it through an engagement with ammo left over, you're doing it wrong.

[Whereto]

If they remove the thermal clip system it become the one sided afiar that me1. A hybrid system would be good, but a choice whether to use it or not is stupid. Some times different isn't better so live with the better system where you actually have to change the guns on higher difficulties

[Lunatic LK47]

The Smoking Man wrote...

SinDr0me wrote...

Unlimited ammo sucked, my weapon always overheated!

You're doing it wrong.

The problem with ME1's system was that, if you used the right weapon/ammo mods, you could spam bullets nonstop. Which is what everyone would always do by the final mission.
ME2's is stupid as well, in its own ways. Some weapons have not nearly enough spare clips that can be carried. And that you would have to go on a scavenger hunt after every firefight just looking for clips.

Uh, even with short controlled bursts, Engineers and infiltrators *WILL* sabotage your guns, making you royally screwed if you're not a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltaror. This is why I avoided playing Engineers, Adepts, and Sentinels like the plague.

[lukandroll]

The hybrid system is the way to go...



This has been discussed a million times.

If the weapon is getting hot, you could eject the thermal clip, or just wait for the weapon to cool off. Like it normally would.



Its exactly the same stupid thing but even more realistic.

[flem1]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Uh, even with short controlled bursts, Engineers and infiltrators *WILL* sabotage your guns, making you royally screwed if you're not a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltaror. This is why I avoided playing Engineers, Adepts, and Sentinels like the plague.

That's why you disable enemy casters first.  Duh.  You're doing it wrong.

[didymos1120]

lukandroll wrote...

If the weapon is getting hot, you could eject the thermal clip, or just wait for the weapon to cool off. Like it normally would.

Why are you assuming the clips are at all efficient at radiative cooling?  Or that even if you let them cool, that they can still rapidly absorb heat?  If they are physically altered by that rapid absorption of heat in a not-easily-reversible way, then once you've fired the max number of shots on a given weapon, they're basically useless no matter how much you let them cool off.  And since the old-style cooling systems were completely replaced by the clip module, the weapon cannot function without a new clip.  It has no other way to cool in anything resembling a reasonable amount of time.

[Lunatic LK47]

flem1 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Uh, even with short controlled bursts, Engineers and infiltrators *WILL* sabotage your guns, making you royally screwed if you're not a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltaror. This is why I avoided playing Engineers, Adepts, and Sentinels like the plague.

That's why you disable enemy casters first.  Duh.  You're doing it wrong.

Condescending much? Not every player is a Ninja Gaiden god with fast reflexes.

[ilostmycookie]

DarthCaine wrote...

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What he said

[wolfsite]

I prefer the clips, prevents you from just spamming with one gun and you use powers more strategically.  Hell in ME1 once you got the X grade weapons with Frictionless Materials you could just hold down the mouse button and that's it for strategy.

[DJBare]

wolfsite wrote...

I prefer the clips, prevents you from just spamming with one gun and you use powers more strategically.  Hell in ME1 once you got the X grade weapons with Frictionless Materials you could just hold down the mouse button and that's it for strategy.

I don't understand this, I stick with one weapon for the majority of time and thats the SMG, I only switch to another weapon for firepower like a missile launcher to take out heavy mechs, not once have I been forced to use another weapon because I'm out of thermal clips, oh I do use the sniper rifle, but that's only because it's a favorite weapon of mine, but so far, weapons selection has been by choice and not force.

[The Smoking Man]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Uh, even with short controlled bursts, Engineers and infiltrators *WILL* sabotage your guns, making you royally screwed if you're not a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltaror. This is why I avoided playing Engineers, Adepts, and Sentinels like the plague.

That's why you disable enemy casters first.  Duh.  You're doing it wrong.

Condescending much? Not every player is a Ninja Gaiden god with fast reflexes.

Or spam your uber biotics of uberness if you play as a biotic-capable class.

[LuxDragon]

Most the time, players stick to one weapon anyway. In ME2, every classs except Soldier could only handle two or three weapons, max.

I mean, an adept could only handle a pistol and SMG. What freakin' gun do you think I'm going to be playing with?

[Veex]

Zurcior wrote...

They should make upgrades that allow for more shots to be fired before ejecting the heat sink.

I believe this is probably the best, and most likely answer to the issue. They've already got an upgrade system in place (mmm... barely) and expanding it to allow modifications like clip size, further ammo modifications, muzzle velocity, scopes and the like would be a good way to add another layer of customization many enjoy.

[Lunatic LK47]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Uh, even with short controlled bursts, Engineers and infiltrators *WILL* sabotage your guns, making you royally screwed if you're not a Soldier, Vanguard, or Infiltaror. This is why I avoided playing Engineers, Adepts, and Sentinels like the plague.

That's why you disable enemy casters first.  Duh.  You're doing it wrong.

Condescending much? Not every player is a Ninja Gaiden god with fast reflexes.

Or spam your uber biotics of uberness if you play as a biotic-capable class.

Skills that take a minute to cool down? What am I supposed to do, sit down in a fetal position while everything's on cooldown mode? ME1 was ****ing bad in this department.

[Atmosfear3]

ITT no one would ever have anything to complain about if Shep could carry infinite thermal clips but still had the reload mechanic. People are just mad they have to scavenge for clips after each fight.

[didymos1120]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

ITT no one would ever have anything to complain about if Shep could carry infinite thermal clips but still had the reload mechanic. People are just mad they have to scavenge for clips after each fight.

Yeah, and unless you're being constantly and absurdly wasteful, you really shouldn't be spending very much time at all doing that.  Plus, with just the slightest bit of foresight, you can often cut that down to practically none by just holding off on gathering HW cells, because those fill all your other weapons up instantly (even if you're already full on power cells).

[Lunatic LK47]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

ITT no one would ever have anything to complain about if Shep could carry infinite thermal clips but still had the reload mechanic. People are just mad they have to scavenge for clips after each fight.

Coming from someone that constantly played ME2, I can see some of the complaints. Problem is some of the thermal clips are *VERY UNEVEN* with ammo distribution. For example, picking up a thermal clip would randomly give you two shots for your Carnifex handgun, one shot for your Widow and Mantis, or randomly six shots for your Vindicator. As a result, I ended up using only the M8 rifle, Viper Rifle,  or Revenant since the clips actually give me a full magazine of ammo, and the M3 Predator in the handgun department.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 10 janvier 2011 - 05:42 .

[vimpel]

NO.Where does those bullets come from. 

[didymos1120]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

For example, picking up a thermal clip would randomly give you two shots for your Carnifex handgun, one shot for your Widow and Mantis, or randomly six shots for your Vindicator.

That's not random.  Every gun generates a different amount of heat per shot.   Rapid firing weapons generate the least, sniper rifles the most.  Within each class of weapon, heat generation also varies.  Thus, the variation in how many shots worth of heat each thermal clip can absorb.

[Lunatic LK47]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

For example, picking up a thermal clip would randomly give you two shots for your Carnifex handgun, one shot for your Widow and Mantis, or randomly six shots for your Vindicator.

That's not random.  Every gun generates a different amount of heat per shot.   Rapid firing weapons generate the least, sniper rifles the most.  Within each class of weapon, heat generation also varies.  Thus, the variation in how many shots worth of heat each thermal clip can absorb.

I did see sporadic amounts of rounds being replenished on each pick-up with the shotgun, Vindicator,  and Carnifex though, and I'm just going off by personal experience. Carnifex randomized either "2 or 3 shots each clip pick-up" from my experience. The sniper rfle pick up is consistent, so, that's my mistake on that.

[sonsofanarchy10]

I wish they would bring back the rpg and customization of weapons back. I like choosing what and how to modify my weapon of destruction!

[Destructo-Bot]

As did I! In ME1 I played a soldier and modified my load-out thusly:

Sniper Rifle - KABOOM! Dual Scram-Rails with High Explosive Rounds + Assassinate. One shot wonder, needed a cooldown after every shot.

Shotgun - Combat Optics + Heat Sink and Sledgehammer rounds. For taking down melee enemies or clearing rooms with lots of close cover.

Assault Rifle - Heat Sink + Scram Rail + Cryo Rounds (has shield bypass with no damage penalty (unlike proton rounds)) for shielded enemies. The talent for ARs let you hold down fire anyway so dual heat sinks are unnecessary if you need to spray.

Pistol - Tungsten7/Shredder7 ammo and dual scram rails for high damage against unshielded targets.

Modifié par Destructo-Bot, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:27 .

[didymos1120]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
I did see sporadic amounts of rounds being replenished on each pick-up with the shotgun, Vindicator,  and Carnifex though, and I'm just going off by personal experience. Carnifex randomized either "2 or 3 shots each clip pick-up" from my experience.

Could be they have a small random factor in there to simulate the clips being partially spent when they're dropped by enemies.  The other thing is, the game will parcel out a single clip to multiple weapons if the one you're currently using gets filled by the pick-up and there's some leftover shots.  It'll also do that if your equipped gun is already full, and the next unequipped one doesn't need a full clip.  The game has to recalculate to figure out how many, say, 4 AR shots works out to for your pistol.  I imagine that involves a fair amount of rounding down.

[Praetor Knight]

I figure the return on picked up thermal clips is a gameplay convenience to keep ME2 combat balanced, similar to how enemy biotics do not use physics type attacks on Shep and the squad.