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[Pwner1323]

I just looked up the definition of Mary Sue (ironic since Im an aspiring writter) after seeing it pop up numerous times in threads and have to ask, is Shepard considered one?

I personally don't see it but people have said s/he is.

Modifié par Pwner1323, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:01 .

[DeathtoTali]

Pretty much. The same can be said of all RPG main characters, though. Kind of hard to get around.

[GodWood]

Paragon Shep more so.

[Pwner1323]

So does that mean his perfect or what? Tha definition says that the character is either perfect in every aspect and/or held to very high esteem.

Shepard is not any of these things, at least not in my opinion.


Edit: Forget that last one

Modifié par Pwner1323, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:05 .

[adneate]

People throw the term around so much it's lost all meaning. Everyone and everything that succeeds in a work of fiction has been labeled a Mary Sue by someone and much like bias it is one of the most improperly used terms on the internet.

[Schneidend]

I don't think so. Shepard's not the absolute most skilled person in the galaxy. Paragon Shepards are a bit naive, Renegade Shepards have issues.



Mary Sue-ism is about narrated perfection and lacking dimension, just being a powerful and important person isn't enough.

[Pwner1323]

adneate wrote...

People throw the term around so much it's lost all meaning. Everyone and everything that succeeds in a work of fiction has been labeled a Mary Sue by someone and much like bias it is one of the most improperly used terms on the internet.

Like saying someone that you disagree with is a troll. That kind of overuse?

[marshalleck]

Pwner1323 wrote...

adneate wrote...

People throw the term around so much it's lost all meaning. Everyone and everything that succeeds in a work of fiction has been labeled a Mary Sue by someone and much like bias it is one of the most improperly used terms on the internet.

Like saying someone that you disagree with is a troll. That kind of overuse?

Not really. You can disagree with someone who is trolling. 

[DeathtoTali]

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

[Daewan]

Bella is a MarySue. Shepard is just overpowered.

Modifié par Daewan, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[marshalleck]

Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG is a good example of a Mary Sue type character. Always does the right thing (eventually at least), always saves the day whenever he is involved, he is liked by everyone around him, in general is favored by the writers and lacks any sort of character flaw.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:15 .

[Schneidend]

Daewan has an excellent example.



When most dudes see Bella they fall in love with her.



When most dudes see Shepard they open fire.



See the difference?

[Pwner1323]

Schneidend wrote...

Daewan has an excellent example.

When most dudes see Bella they fall in love with her.

When most dudes see Shepard they open fire.

See the difference?

lol'd good

So Shepard is not a Mary Sue but borderlines the term enough to be consired one by the untrained eye. Got it.

Modifié par Pwner1323, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:16 .

[slimgrin]

adneate wrote...

People throw the term around so much it's lost all meaning. Everyone and everything that succeeds in a work of fiction has been labeled a Mary Sue by someone and much like bias it is one of the most improperly used terms on the internet.

This. I would even posit the original term as being vaguely defined. Its like 'modern art' or 'expressionism'. Such terms are best avoided.

Modifié par slimgrin, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:20 .

[AntiChri5]

A sue is so vaugely defined.......

Shepard fits a lot of the characteristics, hell simply being an rpg protagonist fulfills one of the main requirements of suedom.

[Schneidend]

Pwner1323 wrote...

lol'd good

So Shepard is not a Mary Sue but borderlines the term enough to be consired one by the untrained eye. Got it.

You've got the gist of it, aye.

Any character that kicks a lot of ass and gets hit on more than once is going to be considered a Mary Sue by approximately 2/3rds of the internets.

[marshalleck]

Schneidend wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

lol'd good

So Shepard is not a Mary Sue but borderlines the term enough to be consired one by the untrained eye. Got it.

You've got the gist of it, aye.

Any character that kicks a lot of ass and gets hit on more than once is going to be considered a Mary Sue by approximately 2/3rds of the internets.

Which sucks because the internets are never wrong. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:19 .

[slimgrin]

If anything, Shepard is constantly challenged for the decisions he/she makes. I pissed off half my crew in both games. That counts for something. That's good writing on Bioware's part.

[Schneidend]

marshalleck wrote...

Which sucks because the internets are never wrong. 

Only if all 37 internets agree. Quit spreading misinformation! This is the INTERNETS. Show some class, for Godwin's sake.

Modifié par Schneidend, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:22 .

[Thompson family]

Shepard? No. A Mary Sue, IMO, is so powerful that there's no real gameplay challenge.

Consider the Normandy, though. It's fastest ship in the universe and it's stealthy. It's armed with Thanix cannons, improved armor, etc.). It now consists of the Normandy/EDI united and guided by the supposed best helmsman in the galaxy who grants this perfect machine an inspired bit of randomness and unpredictability.

I love the Normandy, but if she's not too good to be true she's getting close.

Modifié par Thompson family, 09 janvier 2011 - 08:30 .

[Pwner1323]

Schneidend wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Which sucks because the internets are never wrong. 

Only if all 37 internets agree. Quit spreading misinformation! This is the INTERNETS. Show some class, for Godwin's sake.

Did somebody mention Naz*s? Is Hitler a Mary Sue?

seriously though, Shepard isn't perfect and his specializes in what the player chooses and as far as the definition goes, Mary Sues are perfect in every way. Shepard isn't.

[Schneidend]

Further, Mary Sues can only be beaten by their "rivals." Shepard can be blown up by nameless jerks.

[marshalleck]

Seriously though. Wesley Crusher. No?

[Pwner1323]

marshalleck wrote...

Seriously though. Wesley Crusher. No?

Funny, wikipedia uses him as a prime example. I hate Star Trek so I wouldn't know.