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[Jagri]

Bamboozalist wrote...

The Smoking Man wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

Thermal clips are reusable. Just like soldeirs can pick up magazines they discard during combat. The difference is that with a thermal clip you can throw it back into your weapon and keep shooting till it overheats again.

Except they're never demonstrated as such. They're treated as purely disposable supplies. And the clips in your weapons don't seem to cool down by themselves, ever, no matter how long you wait.

They're not treated like that because something that is ~240 degrees Celcius takes a long time to cool down. This is my biggest problem with the ME1 system is that those weapons would not cool down that quickly, maybe if Shepard was caring around some really advanced cooling system on his/her back that plugged into the weapon and made it so they didn't melt themselves from the inside out, sure.

I would trade a heavy weapon for a advance cooling pack... Loved the Widow a shame I couldn't just enjoy sitting back and using it extensively.

[The Smoking Man]

didymos1120 wrote...

I also noted something in that entry, which got buried:

(Snipped out the nightmarish pyramid quote)
I don't think trying to apply the logic of how corpses disappear purely because it's an engine mechanic would apply well to ejected thermal clips. Thermal clips dropped by enemies on death don't disappear. I also imagine the tiny thermal clip model has far fewer polygons and takes less VRAM with textures than NPCs.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 10 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[Jorina Leto]

didymos1120 wrote...
You kill stuff, and the bodies magically vanish.

Yeah I wish they would stay but the thread is not about it.

[Praetor Knight]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I've faced Benezia with an armor that had the highest Biotic Protection possible to find, and the Combat Exoskeleton. As a Soldier Shock Trooper that fight is merely a matter of time.

Apparently you've never been a victim to the Benezia throw bug of doom. You're lucky. The bug is this: if Benezia casts throw on you, and then, while you're under its effects, one of those cutscenes where Benezia opens up a door plays, you'll get teleported to a corner of the room, permastuck. If you wait a while and don't get killed fast, you'll notice Shepard's body getting more and more mutilated (the ragdoll physics bugging out). The only thing you can do about it is reload a previous save and try again.

I have been pinned to the ground on my first few playthroughs, and the biotics kept chain casting on me my first time, I was perturbed to say the least.
I had Wrex and maybe Kaidan on either Normal or Veteran, so it was not that bad, I was just useless as the fight slowly dragged on those few time .

Also by that part of the game I did not even bother finding cover so I never experienced that bug, I under stand that clipping through the floor or boxes was what triggered it, but I could be wrong on that.

Anyway, once I figured out what to do, I would immediately turn right in the room and take out the commandos and geth. Moving I guess in a counterclockwise U motion around the room.

The key was being prepared for her, and she's been a breeze ever since.

[The Smoking Man]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Yeah I wish they would stay but the thread is not about it.

It's not practical, performance-wise, to do that. NPCs = lots of polygons and lots of VRAM used in the way of textures.

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I
have been pinned to the ground on my first few playthroughs, and the
biotics kept chain casting on me my first time, I was perturbed to say
the least.
I had Wrex and maybe Kaidan on either Normal or Veteran,
so it was not that bad, I was just useless as the fight slowly dragged
on those few time [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie].

Also
by that part of the game I did not even bother finding cover so I never
experienced that bug, I under stand that clipping through the floor or
boxes was what triggered it, but I could be wrong on that.

Anyway,
once I figured out what to do, I would immediately turn right in the
room and take out the commandos and geth. Moving I guess in a
counterclockwise U motion around the room.

The key was being prepared for her, and she's been a breeze ever since. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Sometimes I get lucky and defeat her without running into the bug once on the first try. During my last playthrough, I got hit by the bug 20 times in a row. I eventually got fed up and gave myself the super gun.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 10 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[Jorina Leto]

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

[didymos1120]

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

[Jorina Leto]

Phaedon wrote...

Or maybe you don't know how constructive debates work. I have made my point, and you just repost the same thing again and again. How are we supposed to reach a consensus like this?

Do you mean with "consensus", that I should adjust my point to your's?

Phaedon wrote...
To conclude with this thread, like them or not, thermal clips make perfect sense. Technolodgy advances, new systems are implemented. There were no huge changes. The same weapons are still used, but now, you just place a thermal clip in the place where the heatsink used to be.

As I explained earlier: The gameplay doesn't show anything of the supposed improvements. It is just generic shooter gameplay. You're repeating and you're still wrong.

[Pwner1323]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

Why can't I mug people at the Citadel for the credit chits?

[Bamboozalist]

Jagri wrote...

I would trade a heavy weapon for a advance cooling pack... Loved the Widow a shame I couldn't just enjoy sitting back and using it extensively.

I've never run out of Widow ammo even using it exclusively on Insanity. But that's besides the point, I would love to see some advanced cooling pack in ME3 as a heavy weapon option.

[Pwner1323]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Jagri wrote...

I would trade a heavy weapon for a advance cooling pack... Loved the Widow a shame I couldn't just enjoy sitting back and using it extensively.

I've never run out of Widow ammo even using it exclusively on Insanity. But that's besides the point, I would love to see some advanced cooling pack in ME3 as a heavy weapon option.

Genius idea is genius.

[Praetor Knight]

The Smoking Man wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

I also noted something in that entry, which got buried:

(Snipped out the nightmarish pyramid quote)
I don't think trying to apply the logic of how corpses disappear purely because it's an engine mechanic would apply well to ejected thermal clips. Thermal clips dropped by enemies on death don't disappear. I also imagine the tiny thermal clip model has far fewer polygons and takes less VRAM with textures than NPCs.

The pace is quick in this thread

I looked back at the post in question from didymos1120.

Dunno how the polygons and such factor in, but my understanding was that you had used the cut Codex info, while the Codex supports enemies dropping Thermal Clips along with other stuff on the battlefield.

Also that Shep & Co maybe reusing some previously used Thermal Clips.

[didymos1120]

The Smoking Man wrote...
I don't think trying to apply the logic of how corpses disappear purely because it's an engine mechanic would apply well to ejected thermal clips. Thermal clips dropped by enemies on death don't disappear. I also imagine the tiny thermal clip model has far fewer polygons and takes less VRAM with textures than NPCs.

Yes, but you're overlooking that part about how many of them there would be if done for all the clips ejected by all the weapons in a firefight. It would add up fast.  Even just Shepard would rack up a lot, even if that's generally feasible, but then you'd just have people griping about how nobody else has piles of clips at their feet.  And, in any case, I wasn't comparing the clip drops to the bodies. I was comparing the ejected clips to the bodies: both vanish. The only difference is, they let the bodies stick around a little bit so it's not so blatantly unrealistic.

Modifié par didymos1120, 10 janvier 2011 - 08:42 .

[Jorina Leto]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

Does Shepard have a stealing skill?

[fLoki]

So I haven't been to forums in some time but seeing this topic still being live issue.. wanted to share, for pc user that don't know about it. You can have a working hybrid system that i find lore firendly.. imho anyways. Basically you change some lines and you get heatsinks that cooldown if you wait. Or you can use them up,as normal, if you need to spray alot of rounds. Anyways this is an old post but pc user might find it useful..

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1528869

[Pwner1323]

Jorina Leto wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

Does Shepard have a stealing skill?

If he is Earthborn he gets +15 to sneak and +10 to lockpick hack.

Modifié par Pwner1323, 10 janvier 2011 - 08:44 .

[Jagri]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Jagri wrote...

I would trade a heavy weapon for a advance cooling pack... Loved the Widow a shame I couldn't just enjoy sitting back and using it extensively.

I've never run out of Widow ammo even using it exclusively on Insanity. But that's besides the point, I would love to see some advanced cooling pack in ME3 as a heavy weapon option.

Must have moved to aquire more thermal clips then... I meant sitting back as a Sniper and remaining out of the action while teammates were sent to advance on the enemy. Sure during some fire fights there was more then 13 enemies at times.

[Bamboozalist]

Pwner1323 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

Why can't I mug people at the Citadel for the credit chits?

Why can't I randomly assault my crew and rape them?

[didymos1120]

Jorina Leto wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Jorina Leto wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
Thermal clips are reusable.

So why it is possible to run out of them?

Why can't I steal credit chits from all those mercs?

Does Shepard have a stealing skill?

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

[Bamboozalist]

Jagri wrote...

Must have moved to aquire more thermal clips then... I meant sitting back as a Sniper and remaining out of the action while teammates were sent to advance on the enemy. Sure during some fire fights there was more then 13 enemies at times.

I didn't move to grab ammo all that much, Husks are really the only time I can think of where you would run out of ammo but I never use the Widow against husks, you have tech and biotic powers for that.

[Bamboozalist]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

I'm pretty sure Shepard could take them from live mercs. Mug should be a skill.

[Pwner1323]

Bamboozalist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

I'm pretty sure Shepard could take them from live mercs. Mug should be a skill.

Rape should be a skill too while you're at it.

[didymos1120]

Bamboozalist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

I'm pretty sure Shepard could take them from live mercs. Mug should be a skill.

The example doesn't really matter, because the point is they restricted our access to various resources by design for gameplay purposes.  We can only hack some computers for creds.  We can only loot special persistent corpses for creds or suit upgrades.  We can only open certain crates for minerals.  So on. So forth.  Thermal clips are just another artificially restricted resource.  One of those restrictions is "No re-use."

[Bamboozalist]

Pwner1323 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

I'm pretty sure Shepard could take them from live mercs. Mug should be a skill.

Rape should be a skill too while you're at it.

Then Thermal clips and guns would be useless because everyone would just spam rape and mug.

[Pwner1323]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sorry, I meant dead mercs.  I mean, it's totally unrealistic.  People carry credit chits all the time.  Why can't I loot them? 

I'm pretty sure Shepard could take them from live mercs. Mug should be a skill.

Rape should be a skill too while you're at it.

Then Thermal clips and guns would be useless because everyone would just spam rape and mug.

At rank 4 of rape you can intoxicate your victim and silently shag. You also get the sexual predator achievement.