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[Maria Caliban]

Note: In this thread, I would prefer people use the term Sprit of Desire or Desire Spirit instead of the inflammatory and judgmental Desire "demon."

I was wondering if in Dragon Age 2, my PC could continue to liberate spirits of Desire though…

1. Freeing them from the Fade or any entrapment by mages
2. Reducing or eliminating the Chantry's religious persecution of spirits of Desire
3. Helping spirits of Desire engage in mutually-beneficial spirit hosting arrangements with mortals.

I understand that many players desire to 'role-play' militant, fundamentalist Chantry believers who assault spirits of Desire, and I am not suggesting this choice not be available to them, but would hope that BioWare also gives those of us who desire to role-play more tolerant and open-minded individuals a chance to interact with spirits of Desire in a positive manner.

Previously, I've been pleased with BioWare's policy of allowing diplomatic relations with spirits of Desire. For example, in Honnleath, a PC could betray their word and brutally murder a Desire spirit after learning it had been imprisoned for over a century, or they could free it and help it begin a mutually-beneficial spirit hosting relationship with a young girl. I would like to see opportunities like this in Dragon Age 2.

[Atakuma]

How is a parasitic relationship mutually beneficial?

Edit: nevermind

Modifié par Atakuma, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:05 .

[TJPags]

I read this title as "Desire Spirit Libation". Which I found rather interesting.



I also agree with the actual premise of the thread - we should absolutely have this option. If I want to set Spirits of Desire loose on the world, that should be my choice.

[Kasen]

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call them "Desire Spirits", but I see no reason why they would stop allowing the player to aid or release more of them in DA2. It's all up to the writers of course...

[wulfsturm]

I'm fairly sure "spirits" and "demons" are two different things in DA lore, even if they do share the same plane of existence. So the proper name for them would indeed be Desire Demons. I.E. Demons want to dabble in the affairs of the mortal realm, while spirits usually don't care either way. It would be roughly like calling chimpanzies monkies because they live in the same place.

My two cents though.

*Edited.

Modifié par wulfsturm, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:13 .

[The Elder King]

wulfsturm wrote...

I'm fairly sure "spirits" and "demons" are two different things in DA lore, even if they do share the same plane of existence. So the proper name for them would indeed be Desire Demons.

My two cents though.

They are the same type of entity, the only difference is that "demons" are interested in the mortal world, and often envy mortals. "spirit" instead don't want to to interfee in the mortal world, and for this are rarely seen by mortals.

[Who is that Masked Man]

So is this one of those joke threads that quickly devolve into insanity and then get locked down by the mods? Because if so, this is the first time I've felt moved to post in one of those threads.



Anyway, here are my own thoughts on the matter.



1) Desire Demons are demons. Yes they so totally are.



2) Still, I support Desire Demon liberation, within reasonable limits. As far as I'm concerned, they can have all the lonely miserable Templars that they want. No possessing kids, though. That's just wrong. They can walk out of their prisons in their creepy possessed cat's bodies or not at all.



3) Mmm... Desire Demons.



That is all.

[Beerfish]

I wasn't sure about the Honneleth bit as at that point in time I didn't think long term it was good for the kid. However I did think long and hard in the mage tower with the spirit of desire and the templar she had messeed with. He seemed happy thinking he had a family and such.

[XX-Pyro]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

So is this one of those joke threads that quickly devolve into insanity and then get locked down by the mods? Because if so, this is the first time I've felt moved to post in one of those threads.

Anyway, here are my own thoughts on the matter.

1) Desire Demons are demons. Yes they so totally are.

2) Still, I support Desire Demon liberation, within reasonable limits. As far as I'm concerned, they can have all the lonely miserable Templars that they want. No possessing kids, though. That's just wrong. They can walk out of their prisons in their creepy possessed cat's bodies or not at all.

3) Mmm... Desire Demons.

That is all.

Very astute assessment. I support.

[The Elder King]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

So is this one of those joke threads that quickly devolve into insanity and then get locked down by the mods? Because if so, this is the first time I've felt moved to post in one of those threads.

Anyway, here are my own thoughts on the matter.

1) Desire Demons are demons. Yes they so totally are.

2) Still, I support Desire Demon liberation, within reasonable limits. As far as I'm concerned, they can have all the lonely miserable Templars that they want. No possessing kids, though. That's just wrong. They can walk out of their prisons in their creepy possessed cat's bodies or not at all.

3) Mmm... Desire Demons.

That is all.

Chantry distinguished Demons and Spirits, the first intended the ones who wants to travel in the human world (and possess mortals) and the second the ones that remain in the Fade and aren't a menace for the mortals.....but they are the same type of entity,  they are all spirit of the Fade.

[LOLZAO]

Yes i want to "interact" more with Desire Demons hehehe.

[Eclipse_9990]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Note: In this thread, I would prefer people use the term Sprit of Desire or Desire Spirit instead of the inflammatory and judgmental Desire "demon."

I was wondering if in Dragon Age 2, my PC could continue to liberate spirits of Desire though…

1. Freeing them from the Fade or any entrapment by mages
2. Reducing or eliminating the Chantry's religious persecution of spirits of Desire
3. Helping spirits of Desire engage in mutually-beneficial spirit hosting arrangements with mortals.

1. I can support this.. Only if the demon offers me something of value.. 
2. Well I wouldn't call them "spirits" I'm against the chantry as well but your making Desire demons seem like their innocent or good or something.. There's a reason their called demons ya know.. 
3. No.. Just no.. My body is mine, and I don't want some manipulative devil woman using it.. 

[Selene Moonsong]

Demons and Spirits are opposing entities.



Demons interfere with the mortal world and feed on a mortal's base desire, rage, hunger, etc, to gain access to the mortal world and are malevolent in nature.



Spirits, on the other hand have no direct interest in the mortal world and represent more the virtues of morals, such as valor, justice, etc, and are considered benign spirits.

[bluewolv1970]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Note: In this thread, I would prefer people use the term Sprit of Desire or Desire Spirit instead of the inflammatory and judgmental Desire "demon."

I was wondering if in Dragon Age 2, my PC could continue to liberate spirits of Desire though…

1. Freeing them from the Fade or any entrapment by mages
2. Reducing or eliminating the Chantry's religious persecution of spirits of Desire
3. Helping spirits of Desire engage in mutually-beneficial spirit hosting arrangements with mortals.

I understand that many players desire to 'role-play' militant, fundamentalist Chantry believers who assault spirits of Desire, and I am not suggesting this choice not be available to them, but would hope that BioWare also gives those of us who desire to role-play more tolerant and open-minded individuals a chance to interact with spirits of Desire in a positive manner.

Previously, I've been pleased with BioWare's policy of allowing diplomatic relations with spirits of Desire. For example, in Honnleath, a PC could betray their word and brutally murder a Desire spirit after learning it had been imprisoned for over a century, or they could free it and help it begin a mutually-beneficial spirit hosting relationship with a young girl. I would like to see opportunities like this in Dragon Age 2.

simply awesome

[TJPags]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Demons and Spirits are opposing entities.

Demons interfere with the mortal world and feed on a mortal's base desire, rage, hunger, etc, to gain access to the mortal world and are malevolent in nature.

Spirits, on the other hand have no direct interest in the mortal world and represent more the virtues of morals, such as valor, justice, etc, and are considered benign spirits.

Virtues mortals strive for would be more accurate, I think.

And it's all propoganda, anyway. 

[blothulfur]

Comrade spirit, know that there is a haven for you and your brethren free from the chantry and its foolish teachings where all your desires will be met and exceeded. Come to us in exotic par vollen and learn the wisdom of the Qun.

Thought for the day, a small mind filled with the qun is wiser than the aged scholar who knows not.

[Maria Caliban]

Atakuma wrote...

How is a parasitic relationship mutually beneficial?

Edit: nevermind

People are not 'parasites.' It's obvious from your inflammatory language that you're interested in the answer.

Thankfully, you're not one of BioWare's writers as they've had the courage to show a variety of mutually-beneficial soul hosting arrangements. Wynne, Justice, Harren and Wade.

I hope we get more in the future.

wulfsturm wrote...

I'm fairly sure "spirits" and "demons" are two different things in DA lore, even if they do share the same plane of existence. So the proper name for them would indeed be Desire Demons. I.E. Demons want to dabble in the affairs of the mortal realm, while spirits usually don't care either way. It would be roughly like calling chimpanzies monkies because they live in the same place.

My two cents though.

*Edited.

I think you've simply succumbed to Chantry propaganda. A large range of spirits - good and bad - interact with the mortal realm.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[Gavinthelocust]

I don't know what to say, this is like Draco in leather pants beyond the impossible.
Also, double troped.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 09 janvier 2011 - 11:39 .

[The Elder King]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Demons and Spirits are opposing entities.

Demons interfere with the mortal world and feed on a mortal's base desire, rage, hunger, etc, to gain access to the mortal world and are malevolent in nature.

Spirits, on the other hand have no direct interest in the mortal world and represent more the virtues of morals, such as valor, justice, etc, and are considered benign spirits.

I've always thought they're the same type of entities, opposed on their behaviour towards the mortals. As you stated, the spirits are considered begnin spirits, while "demons" are considered malevolent spirit.
I remember some part in DAO where the demon are called "spirit". Maybe in the Magi Origins, or maybe in some dialogue with Wynne.

[Eclipse_9990]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

I don't know what to say, this is like Draco in leather pants beyond the impossible.
Also, double troped.

You sir have just won this thread...

[Schneidend]

Mutually-beneficial?



Maria...when "spirits" feed on you, it eventually kills you. Even if it didn't, it was suggested the ensorcelled templar in the Tower quest would simply die from dehydration, hunger, or exhaustion.

[Maria Caliban]

Beerfish wrote...

I wasn't sure about the Honneleth bit as at that point in time I didn't think long term it was good for the kid. However I did think long and hard in the mage tower with the spirit of desire and the templar she had messeed with. He seemed happy thinking he had a family and such.

I appreciate your open-mindedness!

I can understand why you might view children serving as spiritual-hosts as problematic. They are, after all, emotional being and easily swayed by a fast talking spirit.

But, I'm glad we agree that adults should be able to enter into such a relationship of their free want.

[RzMyth]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Demons and Spirits are opposing entities.

Demons interfere with the mortal world and feed on a mortal's base desire, rage, hunger, etc, to gain access to the mortal world and are malevolent in nature.

Spirits, on the other hand have no direct interest in the mortal world and represent more the virtues of morals, such as valor, justice, etc, and are considered benign spirits.

Without getting too philosophical here, can't valor and justice be twisted into malevolence, while pride, anger and desire be used for good? 

a bit off topic, if there are such things as demons in the DA verse, where are the angels?

[Maria Caliban]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Demons and Spirits are opposing entities.

Demons interfere with the mortal world and feed on a mortal's base desire, rage, hunger, etc, to gain access to the mortal world and are malevolent in nature.

Spirits, on the other hand have no direct interest in the mortal world and represent more the virtues of morals, such as valor, justice, etc, and are considered benign spirits.

If that's true and spirits have no interest in mortals or the mortal world, why is Wynne alive?

[Eclipse_9990]

Schneidend wrote...

Mutually-beneficial?

Maria...when "spirits" feed on you, it eventually kills you. Even if it didn't, it was suggested the ensorcelled templar in the Tower quest would simply die from dehydration, hunger, or exhaustion.

Don't bother.. She's just blinded by her strange infatuation with Desire Demons.. Theres no reasoning with her..