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[Harid]

Uh. . .trees are living things. . .there isn't really much of an argument.

[Xewaka]

I'd have the desire demon posses a big, burly, hairy man. Kind of a reverse Wild Flower.

Mainly for the lulz.

Modifié par Xewaka, 10 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[Maria Caliban]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Does my thread actually bother you?

I've never read it. That makes it easy for it not to bother me-- same reason I don't read fanfiction.

Good to know.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 janvier 2011 - 05:16 .

[tmp7704]

Harid wrote...

Uh. . .trees are living things. . .there isn't really much of an argument.

Living, but not necessarily sentient, and since demons feed of emotions rather than life possessing just something that's alive wouldn't provide them with what they're after.

So if they can exist in something that doesn't provide them with their "food" then it may be possible they can also exist in an item -- i don't think they actually need a living host to sustain their existence.

[Dayshadow]

This has nothing to do with the topic, but shouldn't there be an incubus for female players and a succubus for males?  Why would a desire demon look like a woman to a woman, unless you can pick your sexual orientation at character creation and choose to be gay?

[Xewaka]

Dayshadow wrote...
This has nothing to do with the topic, but shouldn't there be an incubus for female players and a succubus for males?  Why would a desire demon look like a woman to a woman, unless you can pick your sexual orientation at character creation and choose to be gay?

Because most developers are male.
And one model is easier than two.

Modifié par Xewaka, 10 janvier 2011 - 05:54 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Desire Demons are not even females. I thought they were genderless.

[Maria Caliban]

Dayshadow wrote...

This has nothing to do with the topic, but shouldn't there be an incubus for female players and a succubus for males? Why would a desire demon look like a woman to a woman, unless you can pick your sexual orientation at character creation and choose to be gay?

Possibly. If desire spirits pick a form that's most pleasing to whomever they're interacting with, that makes sense. If they simply pick a form they view as being 'right' for them, then it doesn't make sense for the gender and sexual desires of the person they're interacting with to constantly change their form.

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Desire Demons are not even females. I thought they were genderless.

Yes to the first. As far as we know, they don't reproduce sexually and so can't be male or female. That doesn't mean they're genderless.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:00 .

[Xewaka]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
Desire Demons are not even females. I thought they were genderless.

They bargain with desire. Lust being the most common. It would seem sound to alter their appearance based on the potential customer, or to have an androginous and slightly otherworldly look, resulting in an attractive but slightly offputing appearance for both genders.

[Arcadionn]

Dayshadow wrote...

This has nothing to do with the topic, but shouldn't there be an incubus for female players and a succubus for males?  Why would a desire demon look like a woman to a woman, unless you can pick your sexual orientation at character creation and choose to be gay?

Don't forget they act as agents of lust/desire for people outside the fade. I do believe most people being seduced/manipulated by Desire spirits from the Fade never actually saw them.

They also interact with non-fade beings through other media (ie. Cat in the Shale DLC), they also likely do not appear in their true forms to the people they manipulate as with the Templar in the mage tower seeing her as his wife and imagining they even had kids.

Perhaps only those with power/sight/fade-awareness can see them as they are?

A desire spirit would be pretty fun to have around, could make for an interesting duality as they are not spirits of pain as their brethren, they are mostly looking to benefit from their hosts/victims but they need them very well alive... if corrupt...

Modifié par Arcadionn, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:14 .

[silentassassin264]

David Gaider wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
Dinosaur Gaider hates Desire Demons almost as much as he hates dwarves. Because I'm saying so. :<

Actually, I'd have nothing against having a Desire Demon as a party member. That could be quite cool. But they'd either need to be a manifest demon or be possessing a host-- they couldn't be melded a la Wynne. That's what a spirit does, and the two are very different things.

That would be so cool.  Having a pure Desire Demon running around with weird armor on getting strange glances from passing templars. 

[Xewaka]

silentassassin264 wrote...
That would be so cool.  Having a pure Desire Demon running around with weird armor on getting strange glances from passing templars. 

You might find Planescape Torment appealing then.

[Mad Method]

Eh, Xewaka, wasn't that succubus a chaste intellectual?

She ran a "Brothel of Slaking Intellectual Lusts" which caters exclusively to the sort of man who hires a prostitute to lecture/converse about morality, philosophy, etc. instead of getting laid.

Modifié par Mad Method, 10 janvier 2011 - 07:08 .

[attend]

So if I am understanding this right, it is the spirit's actions that determine if it is a demon or spirit. So could a demon get their version of AA and turn back into a spirit?



Take the mage tower demon who tries to convince you that by fulfilling the templar's dreams of a loving family she is giving more than she is receiving from him. If the same demon truly fell in love with said templar (before she drains him dry) and wants to no longer harm him, does she turn back into a spirit? Or is it more like a vampire, one shot and that's it?



Using an Buffy reference. Is it like the Inca Mummy girl (good person who must kill to stay alive therefore can no longer ever be good) or Spike fighting to get his soul back (evil vampire who wants to better himself because he is in love)?

[Amyntas]

attend wrote...

So if I am understanding this right, it is the spirit's actions that determine if it is a demon or spirit. So could a demon get their version of AA and turn back into a spirit?

Take the mage tower demon who tries to convince you that by fulfilling the templar's dreams of a loving family she is giving more than she is receiving from him. If the same demon truly fell in love with said templar (before she drains him dry) and wants to no longer harm him, does she turn back into a spirit? Or is it more like a vampire, one shot and that's it?

Using an Buffy reference. Is it like the Inca Mummy girl (good person who must kill to stay alive therefore can no longer ever be good) or Spike fighting to get his soul back (evil vampire who wants to better himself because he is in love)?

I was under the impression that demons don't really have free will, but that they are manifestations of emotions. So a desire demon couldn't really have a pesonality change. Not sure though.

[AngelicMachinery]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Desire Demons are not even females. I thought they were genderless.

I thought they had both...

[Xewaka]

Mad Method wrote...
Eh, Xewaka, wasn't that succubus a chaste intellectual?
She ran a "Brothel of Slaking Intellectual Lusts" which caters exclusively to the sort of man who hires a prostitute to lecture/converse about morality, philosophy, etc. instead of getting laid.

Chaste Succubus and Pure Desire Demon roughly equate in my mind. Unless I'm misreading the meaning of "pure" in the context.

[Arcadionn]

TBH, I disagree with the fact Spirits are positive and Demons are pure negative.



Look at Justice for instance. ****spoilers if you haven't done Awakening**** He is unable to compromise, he is unable to view things in a different light than pure black and white. When the Architect offers you a completely different approach to things. He will not even tolerate thinking about it and will still view him as a something that has to be removed no matter what.



So while spirits seem to embody more positive values of human psyche... they prove they can still be biased and unreasonable and make bad/evil decisions.



While desire can be a powerful and destructive human emotion it can also drive ambition, love and joy whom can all result in good.



View them as theology's sins and virtues.



While religion views sins as evil and virtues as good, virtuous people can do evil things while sinful people can do good things. (that was a bit stretching it I guess...)

[Beerfish]

Desire Demons would be very disappointed in me to bargain with.



Lucious Desire Demon: "Who are these New York Jets and why do you want them to beat the New England Patriots? And no i will not fetch you a beer."

[crimzontearz]

according to codex not only desire demons can pick and choose their manifested form they are also totally sentient (and apparently missunderstood)

[Maria Caliban]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Desire Demons are not even females. I thought they were genderless.

I thought they had both...

Sexing a natively non-corporal being is very different.

They most certainly 'have both' but they're not reproductively functional (that we know of).

[Lord_Caledore]

Beerfish wrote...

Desire Demons would be very disappointed in me to bargain with.

Lucious Desire Demon: "Who are these New York Jets and why do you want them to beat the New England Patriots? And no i will not fetch you a beer."

More likely to get granted then my wish, at least.

"Redskins to the Super Bowl? Woah, woah, woah, I'm a powerful demon, but I'm not a miracle worker."

[Arcadionn]

Lord_Caledore wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Desire Demons would be very disappointed in me to bargain with.

Lucious Desire Demon: "Who are these New York Jets and why do you want them to beat the New England Patriots? And no i will not fetch you a beer."

More likely to get granted then my wish, at least.

"Redskins to the Super Bowl? Woah, woah, woah, I'm a powerful demon, but I'm not a miracle worker."

Can't stop laughing

[Maria Caliban]

Beerfish wrote...

Desire Demons would be very disappointed in me to bargain with.

Lucious Desire Demon: "Who are these New York Jets and why do you want them to beat the New England Patriots? And no i will not fetch you a beer."

Correction.

Luscious Desire Demon: "The Jets beat the Pats? Sorry, that would be an act of God. Besides, Bill Belichick sold his soul to me already."

[Archereon]

David Gaider wrote...

Dhiro wrote...
Dinosaur Gaider hates Desire Demons almost as much as he hates dwarves. Because I'm saying so. :<

Actually, I'd have nothing against having a Desire Demon as a party member. That could be quite cool. But they'd either need to be a manifest demon or be possessing a host-- they couldn't be melded a la Wynne. That's what a spirit does, and the two are very different things.

I do hope there would be an option to kill off that abomination/posessed person immediately rather than being forced to bring them with you like Jack from Mass Effect 2.  (Considering she'd be executed for her crimes where I live, I really don't have any sympathy for her.  No, she would not get off on insanity, that defense doesn't work that way.)