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[Reiella]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Uh, If the Protheans got wiped out by the Reapers, would it make any sense for it them to possess the technology to destroy them? If so, why didn't they utilize it? Did they choose submission (becoming Collectors) over combat?

It may be a Reaper facility as well.  Have to realize, everything the Reapers did and left behind is attributed to the Protheans popularly in this setting.

Or other comments in this thread as well .

[Dean_the_Young]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Milky Way Foundation is nearly as old as Cerberus itself: well, well before it ever went 'rogue.' For the Alliance'not to know that Cerberus and the Milky Way Foundation  were linked druing the decade+ of direct Alliance/Cerberus connection is such an atrocious oversight during the times of outright Alliance oversight as to be an idiot ball of Collector Base proportions.

While it doesn't say that Cerberus is strictly a part of the Alliance as it once was, the designation of a Cerberus company to handle potent technology of galactic implications is a very strong indicator of continued Cerberus/Alliance connections at the highest levels. (Which we already knew, but this just furthers how far that spreads: not simply a face-to-face basis of TIM being able to place calls, but actual Cerberus-tied organizations being allowed to handle such data at all.)

Not necessarily an oversight, Dean.  Sure, the Milky Way Foundation is as old as Cerberus, but that doesn't tell us anything.  Exactly when it was founded, who founded it, etc, etc.  Remember, several top officials in the Alliance military are on Cerberus' payroll.  So the "egregious oversight" you mention might not even be the Alliance's fault.  All it takes are the traitors within the military to misplace files or redirect investigations, and nobody finds anything but a dead-end.

So, technically, this doesn't prove anything.

Well, I suppose you could reword and restate the second paragraph you quoted to make a point about agreeing with it, but it just seems a bit weird to me.

[Destroy Raiden_]

You know if they need a code cracked they could've just asked Shepard sense he knows how to read, speak, and most likely write the language would've made their jobs a whole lot easier. Hey wait I just found out Shep's new job once the reapers are done with!


EDIT: This facility could also be the same one where they took caveman ME prothean sphere referenced. They studied him there perhaps this was a research facility that covered multiple things and sense a poster brought up reapers shutting down the relays whose to say this base didn't dabble into how the relays worked? They use that to open up the massrelay the IFF will allow the Normandy to go through and then they can start opening relays to get to other worlds though at some point BW better make the reapers wise up to whom is opening their relays w/o their permission and start barricading them so Shep has to fight his/her way in and out of them at the very least.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 10 janvier 2011 - 11:45 .

[solsystem]

did anybody notice the 'is your ship upgraded?" in yesterday's CDN? I just read a post on these forums of someone who was wondering if your ship upgrades will have a role in ME3, maybe they'll have an effect on the new DLC.

[Arijharn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Possibly: Maneul also went to work for Cerberus in regards to Prothean technology (in the Firewalker packs).

That was retconned though, since the actual audio logs were pulled from the Firewalker pack that actively confirms it. It's unused audio now I think only.

[Dionkey]

Reiella wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Uh, If the Protheans got wiped out by the Reapers, would it make any sense for it them to possess the technology to destroy them? If so, why didn't they utilize it? Did they choose submission (becoming Collectors) over combat?

It may be a Reaper facility as well.  Have to realize, everything the Reapers did and left behind is attributed to the Protheans popularly in this setting.

Or other comments in this thread as well .

I seriously think its the observation post they used on early humans. As far as I know the original excavation found nothing to back this claim up and the only information we have of it was on that prothean orb.

[Dean_the_Young]

Arijharn wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Possibly: Maneul also went to work for Cerberus in regards to Prothean technology (in the Firewalker packs).

That was retconned though, since the actual audio logs were pulled from the Firewalker pack that actively confirms it. It's unused audio now I think only.

Retconned to that he was not? Not really. At most it's a vague spot with strong implications.

What was pulled was a soliloquy addressed directly to Shepard directly, but Doctor Manuel is still Manuel and he still makes the direct reference to Eden Prime (and pretty much is alone in the game in doing so), and the voice actor didn't change.

They left out the reference to what Shepard did to him, but they never said or implied Maneul wasn't the Maneul on Eden Prime.

[Arijharn]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Possibly: Maneul also went to work for Cerberus in regards to Prothean technology (in the Firewalker packs).

That was retconned though, since the actual audio logs were pulled from the Firewalker pack that actively confirms it. It's unused audio now I think only.

Retconned to that he was not? Not really. At most it's a vague spot with strong implications.

What was pulled was a soliloquy addressed directly to Shepard directly, but Doctor Manuel is still Manuel and he still makes the direct reference to Eden Prime (and pretty much is alone in the game in doing so), and the voice actor didn't change.

They left out the reference to what Shepard did to him, but they never said or implied Maneul wasn't the Maneul on Eden Prime.

1) Eden Prime and the events that occured on it are well known throughout the galactic community, and therefore can't be used as proof that they are still the same character.
2) They never mentioned his first name in the Firewalker packs and they never mentioned his surname iirc in ME1.
3) Plenty of people have lended their voices to other characters; unless you are going to say that Commander Shephard has a Turian twin on the Citadel waxing lyrical about Shotguns, or that he has a missing brother from another mother in the form of a Quarian; Captain Kar'Danna (I think that's the name of the Captain of the Rayya), or that a Quarian Admiral occasionally moonlights as Dr. Archer.

While he could still be the same Dr, I don't think it's even really implied any more.

[Renegade133]

its a magical usb/data storage device with specs to the ultimate weapon your going have to play find the parts for

[Sajuro]

It is an ancient autohusking device left by the reapers (like a dragon tooth but without the muss and fuss of impaling yourself on it) that would seem like something Cerberus would stash away, then accidentally activate and then ask shepard if he could clean up their mess (pretty please)

[etonesmith1]

perhaps this facility was used to breed humans that were less likly to be indoctrinated?

[Strugz]

Maybe the remaining Protheans froze the charon relay , to make humanity evolve with relay use, create new technology and destroy the Reapers?

[LorDC]

Did anyone mention that this event pretty much dismisses Collector Base decision. You know this Prothean tech was so awesome...

[Ahriman]

Maybe they'll find evidence of Reaper existance?

"Latest news.

24/13 Chancellor commented situation with Citadel  "Citadel is closed and we've lost connection with everyone inside it, so some of you probably think that something bad is going to happen. Still I'm sure everything will be ok".

25/13 Holy s**t! Ancient race of sentient machines is coming from Citadel. We are all doomed!

Other news. Merl and 104 Brothers Circus is going to visit Ilos..."

If serious, ancient technologies + Cerberus (if this Milky Way theory is right) = nothing good.

[Dionkey]

Strugz wrote...

Maybe the remaining Protheans froze the charon relay , to make humanity evolve with relay use, create new technology and destroy the Reapers?

This
The problem with the prothean orbs is that they were observing humanity while being reaped. Why didn't the reapers wipe out humans who had made premature contact with advanced beings? Someone must have stopped them. Also, I believe Mars will be a key point for ME3. Depending on how long the reapers have been around for, I think Klendagon was a clue. I believe that Marineris is going to be explained as a impact from a MAC round just like Klendagon. Their similarities are quite obvious and I am sure it could just be artwork reference but I am willing to bet BW would pull this one out of their sleeve.

[marshalleck]

LorDC wrote...

Did anyone mention that this event pretty much dismisses Collector Base decision.

Not necessarily. The Collector base is massive and by virtue of the fact it can generate its own gravity field to keep it safe from the massive black hole at the center of the galaxy, it's waaaay more advanced than the Prothean outpost on Mars. I wouldn't be surprised if it's purely of Reaper origin and construction. 

And that's saying nothing of all the data it must contain regarding biology and Collector experimentation on all known current species, perhaps extinct species as well over untold millions of years.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:04 .

[LorDC]

marshalleck wrote...

LorDC wrote...

Did anyone mention that this event pretty much dismisses Collector Base decision.

Not necessarily. The Collector base is massive and by virtue of the fact it can generate its own gravity field to keep it safe from the massive black hole at the center of the galaxy, it's waaaay more advanced than the Prothean outpost on Mars. 

Of course not necessary. But this is perfect excuse to do that.

[008Zulu]

Somehow it will be revealed as the key to defeating the Reapers, which will beg the question "Why didn't the Prothians use it?"

[StarcloudSWG]

Dionkey wrote...

The problem with the prothean orbs is that they were observing humanity while being reaped. 

Since we don't have exact dates for either the Prothean observation mission OR the beginning of the Reaping of the Protheans, there's no evidence that this statement is true. What we do know is that the Reaping took hundreds of years, but we don't know how long the Protheans were in space. I'd guess, from the example of the Asari, that the Protheans could have reached the Citadel two to five thousand years before the Citadel was activated to let the Reapers return.

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

This isn't part of the 'week before the DLC' CDN, so it's not especially more relevant than, say, the ghost ship storyline.

Ah, and how did we know the CDN's about Tela Vasir were related to DLC? We didn't, did we? This is exactly what I've been saying over and over the last couple of weeks, you guys are assuming way too much with way too little evidence, or even contradicting evidence.

Also, I've never said it was part of the 'week before DLC' CDN. It can however still be part of another DLC, and, as I've also said, if not, it's probably ME3 related.

Modifié par Zavox, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zavox wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

This isn't part of the 'week before the DLC' CDN, so it's not especially more relevant than, say, the ghost ship storyline.

Ah, and how did we know the CDN's about Tela Vasir were related to DLC? We didn't, did we? This is exactly what I've been saying over and over the last couple of weeks, you guys are assuming way too much with way too little evidence, or even contradicting evidence.

It's hard to assume too little at this point. The Tela Vasir CDN's weren't more likely to relate to DLC than anything else we saw, and about the only thing Shadow Broker and the 'classified economic data' storylines had in common was Vasir herself, not the subject of the CDN itself.

Also, I've never said it was part of the 'week before DLC' CDN. It can however still be part of another DLC, and, as I've also said, if not, it's probably ME3 related.

No said you did.

However, since it is not, the likelyhood of it being directly linked to DLC at this point is low, which is to say the same likelyhood of any other storyline we've seen in the year-long period. After all, the most logical presumption for a stand-alone week of CDN right before the DLC is that it will apply to the DLC. Since this isn't that period, there's no particular reason to assume it's directly related to the DLC anymore than any other possible plot line, and pretty much all the CDN plotlines can plausibly be linked to ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

LorDC wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

LorDC wrote...

Did anyone mention that this event pretty much dismisses Collector Base decision.

Not necessarily. The Collector base is massive and by virtue of the fact it can generate its own gravity field to keep it safe from the massive black hole at the center of the galaxy, it's waaaay more advanced than the Prothean outpost on Mars. 

Of course not necessary. But this is perfect excuse to do that.

Protheans don't have especially advanced technology compared to us anymore. That's the result of the Reapers wiping people out at a rough technological progression equivalent. They focused in different areas than us (the Conduit, the mental-communication beacons), but their technology isn't super-advanced: we only thought it was because we though the Relays and the Citadel were their creations.

If anything, because the Rachni Wars mark what we believe was Sovereign's first real attempts to recapture the Citadel, we're past the Protheans tech, even to the point of hacking their codes like in this DLC.

Protheans are a more-or-less equivalent level, but specialized in different areas. The Collectors alone have technology a decade ahead of ours galactic standard, and the Reaper tech inside is to the Prothean tech what Prothean tech was to pre-prothean human tech.

[Dionkey]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

The problem with the prothean orbs is that they were observing humanity while being reaped. 

Since we don't have exact dates for either the Prothean observation mission OR the beginning of the Reaping of the Protheans, there's no evidence that this statement is true. What we do know is that the Reaping took hundreds of years, but we don't know how long the Protheans were in space. I'd guess, from the example of the Asari, that the Protheans could have reached the Citadel two to five thousand years before the Citadel was activated to let the Reapers return.

Ok consider this. As far as we know the Protheans were the only spacefaring civilization at the time, this could suggest that the reapers only strike when they are sure that enough civilizations have reached spacefaring age. Perhaps the protheans were attacked much earlier than the modern nations for the fact that we still had multi species potential.

[Dean_the_Young]

Or perhaps they were attacked much earlier than us because they didn't have the advantage of someone disabling the Citadel and thwarting the reapers for upto a thousand years.

[General User]

Or perhaps the Reapers base the timing of their harvests on things besides technology. Population profiles for example. 
 
The only thing we actually hear (and from Vigil at that) is that the Reaper Vanguard periodically assesses the state of galactic civilization before activating the Citadel Relay.
 
That most likely means the Vanguard considers a number of factors and weighs them accordingly.