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[Dean_the_Young]

Indeed, very true. We also know that various species have been technologically varied, so even on the standard of 'technological level' there has to be a lot of variance for different tech development.





My personal thesis is that the Reaper cycle is centered on controlling to overuse of Mass Effect, and dark energy,the overuse of such being the source of destabilizations like Haestrom. Civilizations that develop further along the tech path naturally have been using and finding more uses for Mass Effect and dark energy, but likewise larger, more populous, and more widespread civilizations would likely factor.



Demographics is certainly a good candidate for inclusion.

[Zulu_DFA]

General User wrote...

Or perhaps the Reapers base the timing of their harvests on things besides technology. Population profiles for example. 
 
The only thing we actually hear (and from Vigil at that) is that the Reaper Vanguard periodically assesses the state of galactic civilization before activating the Citadel Relay.
 
That most likely means the Vanguard considers a number of factors and weighs them accordingly.

Vigil was lying. Just like the Rachni Queen.

The function of  "assessing" whatever the Reapers needed to "assess" was perfomed by the Collectors (aka trans-Protheans), who became active about (only) 500 years back.

This new "secret room" being unlocked only after 40 years after the Humans had no problem with cracking all other "Prothean" tech on Mars, and at that only by "Milky Way" Cerberus after thy gained access to the Reapers' processing tech (see EDI) and probably the IFF signal (see Derelict Reaper) falls all too well with the idea that the Mars Base is bad/evil. After all, that Eletania vision thing is ripped from Arthur Clarke's Space Odyssey: 2001, where it did not end well for the Humanity.

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Milky Way Foundation is nearly as old as Cerberus itself: well, well before it ever went 'rogue.' For the Alliance'not to know that Cerberus and the Milky Way Foundation  were linked druing the decade+ of direct Alliance/Cerberus connection is such an atrocious oversight during the times of outright Alliance oversight as to be an idiot ball of Collector Base proportions.

While it doesn't say that Cerberus is strictly a part of the Alliance as it once was, the designation of a Cerberus company to handle potent technology of galactic implications is a very strong indicator of continued Cerberus/Alliance connections at the highest levels. (Which we already knew, but this just furthers how far that spreads: not simply a face-to-face basis of TIM being able to place calls, but actual Cerberus-tied organizations being allowed to handle such data at all.)

Not necessarily an oversight, Dean.  Sure, the Milky Way Foundation is as old as Cerberus, but that doesn't tell us anything.  Exactly when it was founded, who founded it, etc, etc.  Remember, several top officials in the Alliance military are on Cerberus' payroll.  So the "egregious oversight" you mention might not even be the Alliance's fault.  All it takes are the traitors within the military to misplace files or redirect investigations, and nobody finds anything but a dead-end.

So, technically, this doesn't prove anything.

Lol. Like I've said, some people ain't going to believe in the cake even when they have just had a faceful of it. Or when they are the cake.

Dirty infiltrators!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:33 .

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's hard to assume too little at this point. The Tela Vasir CDN's weren't more likely to relate to DLC than anything else we saw, and about the only thing Shadow Broker and the 'classified economic data' storylines had in common was Vasir herself, not the subject of the CDN itself.

Never said it was easy not to assume too much, just pointing out that you do. There's no reason to just debunk it straight away because they do not do it the exact same way as with Vasir... It's only 1 data-point, not much to judge your opinion on. We however can say, they do sometimes relate certain CDN's with upcomming DLC.

Dean_the_Young wrote...
No said you did.

Sorry, misunderstood your point. My bad!

Dean_the_Young wrote...
However, since it is not, the likelyhood of it being directly linked to DLC at this point is low, which is to say the same likelyhood of any other storyline we've seen in the year-long period. After all, the most logical presumption for a stand-alone week of CDN right before the DLC is that it will apply to the DLC. Since this isn't that period, there's no particular reason to assume it's directly related to the DLC anymore than any other possible plot line, and pretty much all the CDN plotlines can plausibly be linked to ME3.

Sigh, I guess we have to disagree then on the likelyhood. I see this storyline developing into something more interesting, especially in light with the Cerberus connection to it. This is a storyline with which they can work with, they couldn't realistically do that with various other storylines. Those were nice backstories, but that's all they were. This looks, at least to me, and apperantly quite a few others, to be more than that. (Not saying it is, just saying I see this CDN as having more potential)

Besides, all the DLC up till now didn't have a week of related CDN news before the DLC release. Why does this have to change for ALL possible upcoming DLC? They've only said they would do that for one DLC.

Modifié par Zavox, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:31 .

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Lol. Like I've said, some people ain't going to believe in the cake even when they have just had a faceful of it. Or when they are the cake.

Dirty infiltrators!

That's because the cake is a lie Zulu

[Dean_the_Young]

And with the current calendar and past Bioware history, there's only likely to be one plot-advancement DLC left intended. Bioware doesn't add a DLC every month, or every other month, let alone mission-type DLC (which I think we can all agree will be the week-leadup DLC). And then we have the consideration of not wanting to crowd up the ME3 release buildup with significant ME2 DLC.



If we see any other DLC besides our week-long CDN DLC, it's almost certainly going to be largely cosmetic: Appearance Pack 2, or maybe a release of all the other promo armors/weapons that some people got early on.





The reason why the announced DLC with a CDN buildup is almost certainly going to be different is because in the previous DLC, CDN wasn't already shut down. Tela Vasir was revealed well in advance, and could be. With CDN shutting down, the fact that they're re-starting it just for the sake of a DLC is a high indicator that the CDN in that period is more likely to have something to do with the DLC it pre-shadows.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Lol. Like I've said, some people ain't going to believe in the cake even when they have just had a faceful of it. Or when they are the cake.

Dirty infiltrators!

That's because the cake is a lie Zulu

[reply unintelligible past munching and smacking sounds]

[General User]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Indeed, very true. We also know that various species have been technologically varied, so even on the standard of 'technological level' there has to be a lot of variance for different tech development.


My personal thesis is that the Reaper cycle is centered on controlling to overuse of Mass Effect, and dark energy,the overuse of such being the source of destabilizations like Haestrom. Civilizations that develop further along the tech path naturally have been using and finding more uses for Mass Effect and dark energy, but likewise larger, more populous, and more widespread civilizations would likely factor.

Demographics is certainly a good candidate for inclusion.

Along those lines: given ‘Medigel’ and especially success of the Lazarus Project, I’m strongly inclined to believe that, whereas the Protheans were more advanced in terms of communications (the beacons) and transportation (the Conduit) technology, humanity is more advanced in terms of medicine and the life sciences.
 
I’m actually a bit torn on the idea of Reapers having some hidden ‘they were trying to protect us all along!” agenda. I’m really rather attached to the idea of the Reapers as Sopholcean figures, whose hubris will ultimately be their downfall. The former just seems too, I don’t know…modern. Nothing for it, but to wait and see, I reckon.
 
I fully believe Vigil was lying, or at least holding something back, there’s too much about Vigils version of events that just doesn’t make sense.
 
When it comes to eating cake, it is common wisdom that, if one is so inclined, then ‘them’ should be ‘let’ to do so.

[Zavox]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And with the current calendar and past Bioware history, there's only likely to be one plot-advancement DLC left intended. Bioware doesn't add a DLC every month, or every other month, let alone mission-type DLC (which I think we can all agree will be the week-leadup DLC). And then we have the consideration of not wanting to crowd up the ME3 release buildup with significant ME2 DLC.

If we see any other DLC besides our week-long CDN DLC, it's almost certainly going to be largely cosmetic: Appearance Pack 2, or maybe a release of all the other promo armors/weapons that some people got early on.

The reason why the announced DLC with a CDN buildup is almost certainly going to be different is because in the previous DLC, CDN wasn't already shut down. Tela Vasir was revealed well in advance, and could be. With CDN shutting down, the fact that they're re-starting it just for the sake of a DLC is a high indicator that the CDN in that period is more likely to have something to do with the DLC it pre-shadows.

It's a freaking 11 months. But let's suppose there's only 1 more DLC comming, no-one says they can't already give slight tickles to fans before they start the week long CDN tie-in.

Modifié par Zavox, 12 janvier 2011 - 12:41 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zavox wrote...

It's a freaking 11 months.

Indeed. And given the other Mass Effect products coming out and past history, one more story DLC, interspaced with a few possible accessory DLC, is right on the money. Then there's the lead-in to the next release, the point at which they stop giving any attention to the old game to focus on the new. Bioware has followed a pattern of giving one product/anouncement/promotion a month, at the shortest,. (In the case of Dragon Age, the 'drop any attention point' was five or six monthes in advance, last year.)

This month is Mass Effect: Evolution. Two months minimum for the confirmed DLC: the one announcing/leading into it, and the month of release. Let's be super-conservative and say that they break all ME2 attention, oh, three monthes before ME3's release. In just what we know and are conservatively looking at, over half of that eleven months are already taken, and that the limit for releases is almost certainly going to be the end of summer. They also told us they were going to make the ME1 interactive comic a Cerberus Network downloadable: that's likely another month.

And what of the other four monthes that remain open? Well, Bioware's certainly going to release more ME3 teaser trailers, like it did in December, even before it enters the pre-release advertising period. Lair of the Shadow Broker had a two-month lead-in, so that's another possible month. And major DLC has regularly been complimented by two or more accessory DLC, which themselves have often come with the two-month lead in (the month promising DLC is coming, and the month in which the DLC is the focus).

And only one of any DLC will be considered big enough to warrant restarting CDN.

All things considered, the likelyhood of any other story-important DLC (missions, character development, plot advancement) at this point is pretty slim.

But let's suppose there's only 1 more DLC comming, no-one says they can't already give slight tickles to fans before they start the week long CDN tie-in.

Sure.

Why should it be this story, though? Why not the thief who stole the New Years ball? Why not the Corporate War over Prothean tech?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 12 janvier 2011 - 01:05 .

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Lol. Like I've said, some people ain't going to believe in the cake even when they have just had a faceful of it. Or when they are the cake.

Dirty infiltrators!

That's because the cake is a lie Zulu

[reply unintelligible past munching and smacking sounds]

-honestly suprised I wasn't killed for using that meme-

[TheRealIncarnal]

Possible cover story for the use of technology recovered from the collector station by the Alliance?

[James2912]

TheRealIncarnal wrote...

Possible cover story for the use of technology recovered from the collector station by the Alliance?

Great idea that would be cool! A way for Cerberus to launder technology to the Allaince without the Council know the true source!!!

[Lebrine]

Interesting CDN, it seems to imply maybe that the Protheans deliberatly left things on mars for us to find in stages as we developed. To the point that they sealed off our system so that no other races could find and interfere until humanity was ready to leave of our own accords.

Its looking more and more likely now that the protheans saw something in humanity that was potentially a weapon against the reapers and had knowingly left us the means to destroy the reapers.

Their very last act knowing they had been wiped out was to disable the citadel, we are told that was so that the newer races wouldnt be crippled by the reapers before they even know whats going on. But now I wonder if the protheans suspected the reapers would be gunning for earth, lets be honest there isnt any mention of protheans being intersted in the other council races we see. No mention of hidden caches for them either and they are older races compared to humans, isnt that why the council is so interested in our cache?

A prothean cache right on our doorstep that just keeps giving and a dormant relay, these i feel are going to be a big part of the me3 plot.

[Sajuro]

Lebrine wrote...

-snippage- But now I wonder if the protheans suspected the reapers would be gunning for earth-snippage

If there is some super weapon hidden on earth like in Halo, I am going to be dissapointed.

[TuringPoint]

The question is, how much of that Foundation is Cerberus and how much isn't?  I don't think this story means, "Cerberus has been handed control of this."  

The Ascension Project was used by Cerberus; however its infiltration level was fairly minimal. Part of Cerberus' ability to evade detection is that the infiltrate, rather than taking over various programs.

Cerberus uses The Milky Way Foundation to further its goals; it has certainly infiltrated it, like everything else. That isn't evidence of anything we didn't know already. While the Alliance may know of this connection, The Milky Way Foundation is important in many ways besides being used by Cerberus. 

If the Mafia infiltrates your town's downtown area, and the Mayor knows about but can't really do anything except force initiatives into putting individuals in jail for minor offenses, is the Mayor really complicit with the Mafia?

No intention to compare Cerberus to the Mafia philosophically; just mechanically.

Modifié par Alocormin, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:26 .

[TuringPoint]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Lol. Like I've said, some people ain't going to believe in the cake even when they have just had a faceful of it. Or when they are the cake.

Dirty infiltrators!

THEY ARE THE CAKE!  The cake is not a lie.  Let them have cake while they're at it.  And thusly, they eat themselves.  They are cannibalistic cake.  They lie about their own existence, so you believe the unreality of the cake is... OMG, my mind is twisting on itself.  

Modifié par Alocormin, 12 janvier 2011 - 06:23 .

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]Alocormin wrote...

The question is, how much of that Foundation is Cerberus and how much isn't?  I don't think this story means, "Cerberus has been handed control of this."
[/quote]
According to the Shadow Broker, it was founded primarily to funnel funds to Cerberus. That is in order to have a legit account where the Allinace Fat Cat "contributors" could trasfer their "donations". So yeah, it's pretty much 100% Cerberus.


[/quote]
No intention to compare Cerberus to the Mafia philosophically; just mechanically.
[/quote]
Yet the parallels are stunning at times. Cosa nostra = "our cause".

[CoolCR]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Uh, If the Protheans got wiped out by the Reapers, would it make any sense for it them to possess the technology to destroy them? If so, why didn't they utilize it? Did they choose submission (becoming Collectors) over combat?

They had the relays closed on them splitting there fleets and colonys maybe they could have fought 300 reapers if gatherd at a single location but from what i can see one on one no ship is a match for a reaper.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Could be setting up the DLC... hopefully. It'd be close to Earth. Really, seeing Mars would be nice.

[Dionkey]

Sajuro wrote...

Lebrine wrote...

-snippage- But now I wonder if the protheans suspected the reapers would be gunning for earth-snippage

If there is some super weapon hidden on earth like in Halo, I am going to be dissapointed.

Its the cure to thanes illness..

[Aimi]

He probably wouldn't use it anyway. Dude practically has a death wish even if femshep romances him.

[Count Viceroy]

Can't help but to think this will tie in some way.