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[errant_knight]

Saibh wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Any character who was previously a party member that we bring back as a party member again will be because we thought there was more to explore with them.

Minor characters from DAO, such as Isabela, are a different situation entirely. You barely got to know them, if at all. To assume that there's nothing more to them than the sliver you encountered is to ignore the fact that we can have whole new stories for them-- and the connection to DAO gives us a nice base to jump off of.

That's not to say that assumptions expressed in this thread are necessarily correct, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea, if I were you.

Fair enough. But it's not a decision I particularly like. As a writer, exploring older characters (especially ones you didn't have the time/resources to develop) must be a great exercise, and quite a bit of fun. As a player, I'd prefer companions I didn't already have an opinion on, that my Warden didn't already form some sort of relationship about. That way it's Hawke's opinion and Hawke's relationship--not the Warden's idea, and that experience, coloring it.

Anyhow, it's not like I'll cry boo-hoo sobby tears about it.

We really didn't get to know the Awakening characters in the same way we did the Origins ones. I'd really like the opportunity to get to know them better, myself. Even people you're acquainted with can surprise you, especially when seen from a new character's point of view.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:44 .

[s0meguy6665]

The game already has enough unlikable characters... no thx

[ObserverStatus]

s0meguy6665 wrote...

The game already has enough unlikable characters... no thx

"It says so here in your personnel file: unlikeable. Liked by no one. A
bitter, unlikeable loner whose passing shall not be mourned. "Shall not
be mourned." That's exactly what it says. Very formal. Very official.
It also says you were adopted. So that's funny, too."

But seriously, I didn't think I'd like half as many of DA:O's characters as I did, so I'm not going to judge how likable the characters are until I've actually tried the game.

Modifié par bobobo878, 10 janvier 2011 - 06:55 .

[sevalaricgirl]

I really liked Anders and Nathaniel, but Anders most so I'd be happy if they brought him back and it would be fitting since he is an apostate. It fits the story.

[kreite]

I don't know, the possibility of him dying in awakening makes me pretty skeptical that he will any major involvement in Da2.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...
We really didn't get to know the Awakening characters in the same way we did the Origins ones. I'd really like the opportunity to get to know them better, myself. Even people you're acquainted with can surprise you, especially when seen from a new character's point of view.

I'd say yes, in a cameo.  I know that Nathaniel Howe's and Alistair's cameos are the only things that might make me hit the order button right now.

However... bringing Anders back as a companion not only would retcon some people's epilogues, what about his tactical setup?  Is he going to be a blood mage because I made him one in the Origins game I import?  Is he going to have the same (way overpowered) talents he had at the end of Awakening?

[Tietj]

Addai67 wrote...



However... bringing Anders back as a companion not only would retcon some people's epilogues, what about his tactical setup? Is he going to be a blood mage because I made him one in the Origins game I import? Is he going to have the same (way overpowered) talents he had at the end of Awakening?

If the developers are not holding the epilogues as sacrosanct then I highly doubt they'll take into account the skills and talents that the player may have chosen to give him. I would welcome Anders as a companion but more than that I'm just happy that a human male mage seems to be in the party, whoever he ends up being.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...
I'd say yes, in a cameo.  I know that Nathaniel Howe's and Alistair's cameos are the only things that might make me hit the order button right now.

However... bringing Anders back as a companion not only would retcon some people's epilogues, what about his tactical setup?  Is he going to be a blood mage because I made him one in the Origins game I import?  Is he going to have the same (way overpowered) talents he had at the end of Awakening?

If they're not concerned about epilogues, then he's pretty much in the clear. He can only be turned over to the templars, and there's no confirmation on whether he is actually put to death once they get a hold of him.

As for skills, I don't know why they'd do anything but make him a Spirit Healer, since that's what he is when you pick him up in Awakening (or they'd give him his own special thing). Since you could respec your companions as much as you want in DAA, my guess is that continuity on that front is incredibly unimportant.

[Annie_Dear]

bobobo878 wrote...

s0meguy6665 wrote...

The game already has enough unlikable characters... no thx

"It says so here in your personnel file: unlikeable. Liked by no one. A
bitter, unlikeable loner whose passing shall not be mourned. "Shall not
be mourned." That's exactly what it says. Very formal. Very official.
It also says you were adopted. So that's funny, too."

I approve +10

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I'd say yes, in a cameo.  I know that Nathaniel Howe's and Alistair's cameos are the only things that might make me hit the order button right now.

However... bringing Anders back as a companion not only would retcon some people's epilogues, what about his tactical setup?  Is he going to be a blood mage because I made him one in the Origins game I import?  Is he going to have the same (way overpowered) talents he had at the end of Awakening?

If they're not concerned about epilogues, then he's pretty much in the clear. He can only be turned over to the templars, and there's no confirmation on whether he is actually put to death once they get a hold of him.

As for skills, I don't know why they'd do anything but make him a Spirit Healer, since that's what he is when you pick him up in Awakening (or they'd give him his own special thing). Since you could respec your companions as much as you want in DAA, my guess is that continuity on that front is incredibly unimportant.

As someone once told me when I lost a cat, if there's no body, it's not dead. Found the cat 6 months later, worse for wear, but alive. This holds true even more so in fiction. If we don't see the death, then we really don't know for sure.

[IrishSpectre257]

I hope if anyone from Awakening is in the game, that they show up if we didn't go through Awakening. I decided to let the story of my first Warden end in Origins, since I chose to stay in Denerim at the end. That's who I will play through DA2 with first.

I wish there were a way to carry over our Origins playthrough to Awakening, but still play as the Orlesian Warden.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...
As someone once told me when I lost a cat, if there's no body, it's not dead. Found the cat 6 months later, worse for wear, but alive. This holds true even more so in fiction. If we don't see the death, then we really don't know for sure.

At least in some endings, he's definitively dead.  I believe that's if the Keep is not upgraded and he's left behind. But if they decide to retcon, he'll only have been mostly dead I guess.

I can totally hear Anders saying "I got better."

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
As someone once told me when I lost a cat, if there's no body, it's not dead. Found the cat 6 months later, worse for wear, but alive. This holds true even more so in fiction. If we don't see the death, then we really don't know for sure.

At least in some endings, he's definitively dead.  I believe that's if the Keep is not upgraded and he's left behind. But if they decide to retcon, he'll only have been mostly dead I guess.

I can totally hear Anders saying "I got better."

Lol! I can, too. Yeah, I forgot about the keep upgrading thing and I didn't leave him behind so I never had to deal with that anyway. On the other hand, there is little that can't be explained with a little creativity, and these folks have a lot of that.

[Wynne]

Anders make sense to me the more I think about it. 7 escapes makes for plenty of times he could pop up and be like, "Hey, Hawkie, I got away again!" and he would make a great LI because (a) he was much liked overall, ( he was cute and quite possibly Alistair's twin or something for all we know which could have awesome plot implications on both the mage and royalty sides, and © Hawke is either an apostate or has an apostate sister, which is a point of common interest in itself. Yeah, come to think of it, my instincts are telling me more and more that we'll see Anders in DA2.

Zevran still fits plot-wise in the early game at least. He would disappear at some point and possibly not come back. It could definitely work that he pops up in the game.

Tinxa wrote...

Merril is ok I guess. I'm not that invested in Dalish origin and if she's a bit boring there that's just the point. In DA2 her personality could be anything. To a human Hawke she could be just as mean as Vellana (though I hope not as I hated Velanna)

IMO, the Dalish origin was always the least awesome. Tamlen aside, instead of being chosen because you rock or you were touched by tragedy or both, you are chosen because you stupidly bumbled into something dangerous and got a disease. I played it quite a while ago--November of last year, IIRC--but regardless, I didn't remember Merrill. I doubt I'm the only one. When it comes down to it, I can't begin to imagine them doing a character that obscure--ONE origin only? Let's just say I'd be shocked.

My rule would be, screenshot or you lie. With Anders and Zevran we have people in screenshots who look like they could be adapted versions of them each, and walking next to Hawke no less beside possible-proto-Fenris, Varric, Isabela, Bethany, and Aveline. This makes me say, "Okay, it is very plausible that one or both of them is in DA2." 

With Merrill, it just hasn't happened, so I don't even consider it a decent rumor. How did it even originate? Is there evidence I haven't seen? I honestly wonder where this came from.

[ObserverStatus]

Will Sir Pounce-a-lot be returning too?

[obnoxiousgas]

I have little else to contribute to this topic other than I want to believe.

[madsabroo]

It really does look like him in the trailer AND the tiny bio picture in the new video. I love that people are freaking out about BUT IN MY PLAYTHROUGH - if both Nathaniel and Alistair can have cameos, and both of those people could die depending on how you played the game, then there's nothing to say that Anders couldn't come back.



I hope he DOES come back - he was charming, amusing, a creative character and had some of the best voice work in DA:O and Awakening.



So I have nothing to contribute but to echo obnoxiousgas and say: I want to believe.

[Wynne]

Well, Merrill's in. Anders... who knows? But I too want to believe.



*has sudden Wendersnaveny thoughts and silently curses the Grobnar in her imagination*

[Malanek]

Wynne wrote...
( he was cute and quite possibly Alistair's twin or something for all we know which could have awesome plot implications on both the mage and royalty sides

My memory is a bit hazy but in David Gaiders first book, Flemmeth made a bargain with Maric and took him aside for...the night. It was speculated at the time that Morrigan was the result but wasn't that later denied? Did we ever find out what the outcome of that event was? Anders does bare a resemblance to Cailan and Alistair, and the time David was writing awakening was probably not too far away from when he was writing the stolen throne. Could Anders be the son of Flemmeth and Maric?

[Morroian]

I'd rather Nathaniel appear than Anders.

[Miri1984]

@Melanek999 DG has said before that the resemblance between Alistair and Anders is purely coincidental.



And I'm hopping from foot to foot in excitement now. Not just because of possible Anders. I'm kind of in love with default Hawke as well...

[Lady Catastrophe]

Morroian wrote...

I'd rather Nathaniel appear than Anders.

For the love of the Maker,THIS.

[AngelicMachinery]

stickmanhenry wrote...

So far we are completely missing a purely sarcastic/comic relief character.

And WE NEED a purely sarcastic/comic relief character.

I truly hope Carver fits this role.