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[BomimoDK]

They're doing it well, that's for sure.

[ROD525]

Slugwood wrote...

I've been dreading this moment. I've seen it coming. But I cannot deceive myself any longer.
I...hate the beard. Specifically, the way it flips out at the sides. Why must it do this? Trailer!Hawke's is so much better...
*ducks*

I feel the same way....the beard looks odd. I thought it would be epic but it just doesn't do it for me. Well I never go with the default face so it doesn't really matter.

[The Night Haunter]

Beaner28 wrote...

I mean it really is laughable how you guys just rev into full on flame mode the second someone criticizes a BioWare game. Also, your post was TL;DR

First i wasn't flamin. I was askin you to back up what you are saying. I could say some random thing with out evidence too.

The Sky is purple.

That didn't make the sky purple, nor did i give evidence to show it is (screen shots in this case).

I did get sarcastic because thats me. So instead of calling me a random fanboy, respond with something that you can use to show your point.

Second idk what Tl;DR is please explain.

[Beaner28]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

I mean it really is laughable how you guys just rev into full on flame mode the second someone criticizes a BioWare game. Also, your post was TL;DR

First i wasn't flamin. I was askin you to back up what you are saying. I could say some random thing with out evidence too.

The Sky is purple.

That didn't make the sky purple, nor did i give evidence to show it is (screen shots in this case).

I did get sarcastic because thats me. So instead of calling me a random fanboy, respond with something that you can use to show your point.

Second idk what Tl;DR is please explain.

too long; did not read

[Pwnsaur]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah so you admit to fabricating BS to make yourself sound better? Understood.

What the hell are you talking about? What did I fabricate? I noticed an irrational and overly emotional hatred directed toward a couple characters based solely on their breast size. I called it out for being moronic and I stand by that assertion. I can't even begin to understand what I would 'fabricate' to 'make myself sound better.' Better than what? And what exactly am I recovering from?

[Beaner28]

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

Modifié par Beaner28, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[The Lesser Evil]

Beaner28 wrote...

derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces

Sooo, I'm not sure if that word really fits with the adjectives you used there.

[Beaner28]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces

Sooo, I'm not sure if that word really fits with the adjectives you used there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[Pwnsaur]

Beaner28 wrote...

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

So.....why are you here again?

[Beaner28]

Pwnsaur wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

So.....why are you here again?

Because this is a thread discussion on the developr diary pertaining to story.

[nightcobra]

Beaner28 wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

So.....why are you here again?

Because this is a thread discussion on the developr diary pertaining to story.

of DA2, not of the bioware games in general no matter how you feel about them.

[Stormfire82]

Dear Bioware, you done made me fall in love all over again.... I hope they will introduce new clothing and hairstyles though as well as update current clothing because this is a whole new setting from dragon age and it would look weird in my opinion if people from "cultured and wealthy" Kirkwall would look exactly like rugged and plain Fereldans.

Modifié par Stormfire82, 11 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .

[Dellingr]

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools
Tropes Are Not Bad

[Pwnsaur]

Beaner28 wrote...

Because this is a thread discussion on the developr diary pertaining to story.

No, I mean here as in; this forum. You're not discussing anything, you've already reached your conclusion. You have decided BioWare games are recycled, derivitive non-rpg's. Why are you wasting your time 'discussing' them on a forum if they're so trivial and unworthy of your attention? 

[Beaner28]

Pwnsaur wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

Because this is a thread discussion on the developr diary pertaining to story.

No, I mean here as in; this forum. You're not discussing anything, you've already reached your conclusion. You have decided BioWare games are recycled, derivitive non-rpg's. Why are you wasting your time 'discussing' them on a forum if they're so trivial and unworthy of your attention? 

i do it for the lulz

Modifié par Beaner28, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:07 .

[Amyntas]

Beaner28 wrote...

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

Please stop putting on airs. You clearly expect too much from video games, they can't replace novels. Bioware still creates the most engaging video game stories, especially through believable companions. I actually agree with your criticism of the directon of DA2's gameplay, but to assume that only fools play "hack n' slash" is just ignorant pride.

[Wynne]

David Gaider wrote...

Her outfit is baggy in the front, so it simply looks that way (and it does, I see what you're seeing from that particular shot).

As for her looking tiny, I assume that's also the angle. She's not much smaller than an average human, to be honest. She is thin, though-- all elves have very slender body types (to go back to the art team's intention to give the races more distinct silhouettes).

Okay, thanks for clarifying that. I do like the choice to make the races different. And Merrill is freaking adorable in my book.

Astoria wrote...

In regards to Fenris, I never thought of it that way, but now that you mention it it does make sense. If you can't remember doing the deed I suppose you would retain some sort of 'mental virginity.' I can't really see him being a 'girl-next-door' type of elf, though. Pretty sure they were referring to Merrill. Never the less, it should be interesting to see how it plays out, assuming he is even a 'LI.'

'Course he's not the girl next door type, but she was speaking in general and they used Merrill as a backdrop. Doesn't necessarily mean she was only speaking about Merrill, though. She was thinking about what they did in making the game. It's just, I don't think anybody pointed to Merrill on a screen and said to Jennifer Hepler "talk about that." She was giving an interview. We don't know for sure what was in her mind when she was saying that. They've mentioned NPC romances, so it could just as easily be one of those she was thinking of at the same time. Merrill could have been the girl next door part, but might not necessarily be virginal, unless maybe she's kinda geeky. I don't think the virginal part has to be creepy, is all I mean here.

I agree though, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

kalassy wrote...

I hope not, that's less than origins....

I'm seeing Merrill, Varric, Isabela, Fenris, Aveline, and possibly Anders... but then there's your sibling, so it would still be at least seven either way.

Tamyn wrote...

She looks like black-haired Aerie from BG II.
I like Carver's looks and Cassandra's looks. I wish we could have heard Fenris' voice.
Mama Hawke looks very very young.
Can I be the first to complain about two male Hawke's LIs being revealed and no straight female Hawke's LIs being revealed? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png Edit: Wait, Saibh beat me to it.

I know, right? We've heard Male Hawke and know of two LIs for sure whose voices we've heard, yet we know of no romances for Lady Hawke and we haven't heard her or any of the possibles, even, except for Varric whose actor we already knew. Dude. Awesome though this was, it makes me a little sad.

You're right that she resembles a black-haired Aerie; interesting. And I love Cassandra and your family, though it did seem to me too that Mama Hawke looked pretty young. Then again, it was only a brief glimpse; she might look older in the finished game.

ceruleancrescent wrote...

 I'm so excited for this game!
Is anyone else loving angry Fenris?

So much.

And if I have my way, my Lady Hawke is going to be loving him too. As often as possible. *ba-dum-ching*

Estelindis wrote...

I actually found the
"Warden" thing especially glaring because Alistair was in my party all
the time - either people are ignoring him by calling me Warden, or he gets named but I don't.  It just broke my immersion.  As for the voice, I find it makes my character feel more actively a part of the world (rather
than this gaping, personality-free void that my silent Warden often
felt like beside characters like Alistair and Morrigan - yes, I
can fill in the blanks with imagination, but I can do that with
*anything*, certainly including a fully-voiced game; if we're going to
take the approach that giving us extra stuff stifles imagination, then
Bioware might as well sell me an empty box and tell me to have at
it).

Major high-fives to you, Estelindis. This is exactly how I felt and exactly why I was delighted they were changing those elements. I could not agree more; that includes what you said about taking Anora to task.

HolyAvenger wrote...

Mmm
I don't mind the snippets we've had so far. The cake line was delivered
with a kind of flat, dry deadpan wit I quite liked. Not laugh-out-loud,
but not bad.

Quite. At least it didn't sound cheesy. He's already better than Mark Meer. I prefer flat, dry deadpan wit like that. And I do think he might have been directed to have Hawke sound unassuming specifically because they wanted to strike a balance between DAO's and ME's respective styles.

Anarya wrote...

The female objection to "double Ds for all" has nothing to do with jealousy.

Precisely. I'm larger than that, but the very fact that I have to shop in specialty stores to get bras that fit only emphasizes the fact that most women are not endowed like that. And frankly, there's nothing wrong with small breasts--I know plenty of guys who prefer small breasts. One gave the reason of having small hands. It made sense to me--I mean, what is he going to do with that much breast? I've been attracted to guys with long fingers my whole life, possibly for the opposite reason. Would be interesting to research how genetics affects body type preference, really...

Anyway, so there are guys who like a large bosom, but there are plenty who don't! I like the game world to make me feel like it takes those kinds of truths about humanity into account. Part of realism is variety, and there is a certain hip-to-breast ratio which only silicone can achieve. I'm not going to rag on Isabela because it might be her outfit making her look so big, and I like the fact that she's got a muscular body and sturdy frame and trunk which can actually support breasts that size--she doesn't have that creepily-small waist and limb thing going on which doesn't fit with her cup size, which happens in so many games. The breast size should always match the body type. I don't mind if they idealize their female LIs, but I do want them to keep realistic standards in mind--to stick to what can  exist rather than pull a Barbie. A woman with large breasts is going to have hips large enough to support them and her arms won't be stick-skinny either; they'll either be toned or full:

I don't feel the slightest bit of jealousy at viewing large breasts. If anything, I feel a sense of camaraderie. But I do want two things: 

1. A healthy dose of bodily realism for human women, at least.
2. A sense of variety.

Christina Hendricks is about as good as it gets in real life figure-wise, but even she gets accused of having implants whenever she wears a push-up bra (as she did with the purple dress, I believe.) So a little bit of subtlety when it comes to the average DA bosom would look more realistic than otherwise. It's not that no one should look like CH, just that not every woman should, and those that do have a rack that large would hopefully look like her body can support it. I would say that Isabela was pretty successful in that regard.

Andrastee wrote...

*eyeroll*

Dude,
in real life I wear an F-cup. I certainly have no reason to be jealous
of the DA2 characters on that account. However, I think that every
female character in the world having an enormous rack is silly, and
that's what people are complaning about. Not to mention that it makes me
wince in sympathy when I think of the back and neck pain they are
probably suffering from.

I just hope that my female Hawkes can
have less ... spectacular ... proportions. Since this is my fantasy too,
I would like to roleplay free from the many downsides of having such
large endowments.

Hey, me too!! *high-fives* Cool, a gamer chick who knows my woes! 

And yeah, people just don't seem to realize that there are downsides for some reason. As you mentioned, there's the back and neck pain, plus clothing is harder to find, bras are harder to find, it's annoying to run because sports bras don't work well and they go bouncing around which HURTS, when you're an adolescent the other girls HATE you and the guys stare if you wear anything that doesn't make you feel like a pilgrim... not to mention when we're 70 they'll be in our freaking laps, probably. And if you try to hug someone another woman of the same height with a large bosom it's sometimes hilariously awkward; fortunately most women are taller than me, but I have had those hugs where it's like, "Okay, if you put your left arm here, and I sort of hunch down a little, or maybe if we--aahh, screw it, let's just squish 'em together and move on." *lol* But at least that's funny rather than actually painful.

Yeah, I don't get the jealousy accusations though, and I wouldn't if I were an A-cup. How can a person be jealous of what doesn't exist? Rather, we'd all just like things to reflect reality, because eating disorders are all too common for women these days, and unrealistic depictions of femininity only make things worse.

Modifié par Wynne, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:10 .

[Morroian]

Beaner28 wrote...

What Gaider describes as "evolving" is really a degredation from true RPGs to another generic and mindless action game filled with a few banal dialogue choices. Much like ME 2, DA 2 might turn out to be a good action game but it is most certainly not an RPG.

True rpgs being? As I recall you haven't even played games like BG2.

Beaner28 wrote...

i do it for the lulz

So you actually admit you're a troll. Thanks.

Modifié par Morroian, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:08 .

[Beaner28]

Wynne wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Her outfit is baggy in the front, so it simply looks that way (and it does, I see what you're seeing from that particular shot).

As for her looking tiny, I assume that's also the angle. She's not much smaller than an average human, to be honest. She is thin, though-- all elves have very slender body types (to go back to the art team's intention to give the races more distinct silhouettes).

Okay, thanks for clarifying that. I do like the choice to make the races different. And Merrill is freaking adorable in my book.

Astoria wrote...

In regards to Fenris, I never thought of it that way, but now that you mention it it does make sense. If you can't remember doing the deed I suppose you would retain some sort of 'mental virginity.' I can't really see him being a 'girl-next-door' type of elf, though. Pretty sure they were referring to Merrill. Never the less, it should be interesting to see how it plays out, assuming he is even a 'LI.'

'Course he's not the girl next door type, but she was speaking in general and they used Merrill as a backdrop. Doesn't necessarily mean she was only speaking about Merrill, though. She was thinking about what they did in making the game. It's just, I don't think anybody pointed to Merrill on a screen and said to Jennifer Hepler "talk about that." She was giving an interview. We don't know for sure what was in her mind when she was saying that. They've mentioned NPC romances, so it could just as easily be one of those she was thinking of at the same time. Merrill could have been the girl next door part, but might not necessarily be virginal, unless maybe she's kinda geeky. I don't think the virginal part has to be creepy, is all I mean here.

I agree though, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

kalassy wrote...

I hope not, that's less than origins....

I'm seeing Merrill, Varric, Isabela, Fenris, Aveline, and possibly Anders... but then there's your sibling, so it would still be at least seven either way.

Tamyn wrote...

She looks like black-haired Aerie from BG II.
I like Carver's looks and Cassandra's looks. I wish we could have heard Fenris' voice.
Mama Hawke looks very very young.
Can I be the first to complain about two male Hawke's LIs being revealed and no straight female Hawke's LIs being revealed? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png Edit: Wait, Saibh beat me to it.

I know, right? We've heard Male Hawke and know of two LIs for sure whose voices we've heard, yet we know of no romances for Lady Hawke and we haven't heard her or any of the possibles, even, except for Varric whose actor we already knew. Dude. Awesome though this was, it makes me a little sad.

You're right that she resembles a black-haired Aerie; interesting. And I love Cassandra and your family, though it did seem to me too that Mama Hawke looked pretty young. Then again, it was only a brief glimpse; she might look older in the finished game.

ceruleancrescent wrote...

 I'm so excited for this game!
Is anyone else loving angry Fenris?

So much.

And if I have my way, my Lady Hawke is going to be loving him too. As often as possible. *ba-dum-ching*

Estelindis wrote...

I actually found the
"Warden" thing especially glaring because Alistair was in my party all
the time - either people are ignoring him by calling me Warden, or he gets named but I don't.  It just broke my immersion.  As for the voice, I find it makes my character feel more actively a part of the world (rather
than this gaping, personality-free void that my silent Warden often
felt like beside characters like Alistair and Morrigan - yes, I
can fill in the blanks with imagination, but I can do that with
*anything*, certainly including a fully-voiced game; if we're going to
take the approach that giving us extra stuff stifles imagination, then
Bioware might as well sell me an empty box and tell me to have at
it).

Major high-fives to you, Estelindis. This is exactly how I felt and exactly why I was delighted they were changing those elements. I could not agree more; that includes what you said about taking Anora to task.

HolyAvenger wrote...

Mmm
I don't mind the snippets we've had so far. The cake line was delivered
with a kind of flat, dry deadpan wit I quite liked. Not laugh-out-loud,
but not bad.

Quite. At least it didn't sound cheesy. He's already better than Mark Meer. I prefer flat, dry deadpan wit like that. And I do think he might have been directed to have Hawke sound unassuming specifically because they wanted to strike a balance between DAO's and ME's respective styles.

Anarya wrote...

The female objection to "double Ds for all" has nothing to do with jealousy.

Precisely. I'm larger than that, but the very fact that I have to shop in specialty stores to get bras that fit only emphasizes the fact that most women are not endowed like that. And frankly, there's nothing wrong with small breasts--I know plenty of guys who prefer small breasts. One gave the reason of having small hands. It made sense to me--I mean, what is he going to do with that much breast? I've been attracted to guys with long fingers my whole life, possibly for the opposite reason. Would be interesting to research how genetics affects body type preference, really...

Anyway, so there are guys who like a large bosom, but there are plenty who don't! I like the game world to make me feel like it takes those kinds of truths about humanity into account. Part of realism is variety, and there is a certain hip-to-breast ratio which only silicone can achieve. I'm not going to rag on Isabela because it might be her outfit making her look so big, and I like the fact that she's got a muscular body and sturdy frame and trunk which can actually support breasts that size--she doesn't have that creepily-small waist and limb thing going on which doesn't fit with her cup size, which happens in so many games. The breast size should always match the body type. I don't mind if they idealize their female LIs, but I do want them to keep realistic standards in mind--to stick to what can  exist rather than pull a Barbie. A woman with large breasts is going to have hips large enough to support them and her arms won't be skinny either; they'll either be toned or full:

I don't feel the slightest bit of jealousy at viewing large breasts. If anything, I feel a sense of camaraderie. But I do want two things: 

1. A healthy dose of bodily realism for human women, at least.
2. A sense of variety.

Christina Hendricks is about as good as it gets in real life figure-wise, but even she gets accused of having implants whenever she wears a push-up bra (as she did with the purple dress, I believe.)

Andrastee wrote...

*eyeroll*

Dude,
in real life I wear an F-cup. I certainly have no reason to be jealous
of the DA2 characters on that account. However, I think that every
female character in the world having an enormous rack is silly, and
that's what people are complaning about. Not to mention that it makes me
wince in sympathy when I think of the back and neck pain they are
probably suffering from.

I just hope that my female Hawkes can
have less ... spectacular ... proportions. Since this is my fantasy too,
I would like to roleplay free from the many downsides of having such
large endowments.

Hey, me too!! *high-fives* Cool, a gamer chick who knows my woes! 

And yeah, people just don't seem to realize that there are downsides for some reason. As you mentioned, there's the back and neck pain, plus clothing is harder to find, bras are harder to find, it's annoying to run because sports bras don't work well and they go bouncing around which HURTS, when you're an adolescent the other girls HATE you and the guys stare if you wear anything that doesn't make you feel like a pilgrim... not to mention when we're 70 they'll be in our freaking laps, probably. And if you try to hug someone another woman of the same height with a large bosom it's sometimes hilariously awkward; fortunately most women are taller than me, but I have had those hugs where it's like, "Okay, if you put your left arm here, and I sort of hunch down a little, or maybe if we--aahh, screw it, let's just squish 'em together and move on." *lol* But at least that's funny rather than actually painful.

Yeah, I don't get the jealousy accusations though, and I wouldn't if I were an A-cup. How can a person be jealous of what doesn't exist? Rather, we'd all just like things to reflect reality, because eating disorders are all too common for women these days, and unrealistic depictions of femininity only make things worse.

Put yourself in my shoes. Are you going to read all that?

[Wynne]

Just the part about the boobs?



Seriously, quoting an entire post is obnoxious. At least I wrote more than two short sentences of my own actual thoughts.

[Rixxencaxx]

Well usually after EA buyout studios they tend to reach failure really fast. Judging from the first ractions to this game i feel we are in front of Bioware equivalent to C&C 4.....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[nightcobra]

Beaner28 wrote...

Put yourself in my shoes. Are you going to read all that?

i just did, took about 4 minutes, give or take 20 seconds.

[Beaner28]

Morroian wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

i do it for the lulz

So you actually admit you're a troll. Thanks.

facetiousness =/ trolling

[Pwnsaur]

Beaner28 wrote...

I do it for the expectation of being noticed, which only provides a transient sense of self-worth before I meld back into a life of social rejection.
 

Fixed.






edit: added smiley

Modifié par Pwnsaur, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .