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[tenshi_no_hone]

EDIT: included quote for clarity

Beaner28 wrote...

Dragon Age II, in all seriousness, will most likely end up being yet another one of BioWare's derivative and mindless, cliche ridden masterpieces. The real issue here is that BioWare's endless recycling of rudimentary plots, coupled with the banality of Mr. Gaider's writing ultimately tends to be a tart and pathetic excuse for emotionally engaging stories- the entirety of BioWare's mission statement as makers of interactive media.

Forms of declination, reverse revolution if you will, from true RPGs to mindless and generic "hack n' slash" action aimed at the low IQ crowd is not really improving upon or pushing the envelope of the RPG genre. BioWare's Dragon Age II will most certainly end up being a spectacular failure in that endeavor.

those clichés are hardly fair - for example: it's an RPG, so character progression is required, hence the games often have characters start from humble beginnings. In order to generate an epic story and realise a world the player character must interact with characters, a few of them in depth, visit different locations and have emotional investment in the threat that drives the game forward. They must also be equipped to do so. Hence - in keeping the game a story and character driven RPG many of those clichés are NECESSARY.

Some criticisms of their plots are valid. For example the same golem twist is present in multiple games. That has no gameplay justification.

The hack-and-slash gameplay you seem to hate so much has very little to do with the story. While that may be a problem, increased options during combat will not improve the story which is the topic being discussed

Modifié par tenshi_no_hone, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:42 .

[Beaner28]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Well usually after EA buyout studios they tend to reach failure really fast. Judging from the first ractions to this game i feel we are in front of Bioware equivalent to C&C 4.....

The problem companies like BioWare don't realize, is that while it may sound tempting getting this free influx of cash to allocate towards promotion and marketing, it always comes with strings attached. Infinity Ward was gutted by Activision as was Mythic by EA. Not to mention the corporate parent now supercedes the decision making process.

tsk tsk at Dr. Ray and Dr. Greg

Modifié par Beaner28, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:22 .

[Morroian]

Beaner28 wrote...

The problem companies like BioWare don't realize, is that while it may
sound tempting getting this free influx of cash to allocate towards
promotion and marketing, it always comes with strings attached. Infinity
Ward was gutted by Activision as was Mythic by EA. Not to mention the
corporate parent now supercedes the decision making process.

Still waiting for your explanation of what a true rpg is.

[Wynne]

Nightcobra and Pwnsaur, you both made me smile.

Beaner28 wrote...



The problem companies like BioWare don't realize, is that while it may sound tempting getting this free influx of cash to allocate towards promotion and marketing, it always comes with strings attached.

Unless you're lucky enough to get a publisher which understands that unfulfilling crap doesn't sell as well as something awesome with a number of the same characteristics. Much better to be the game that everyone wants than the game that only button-mashers want; the latter sells, but the former sells better. Make a game where you can mash buttons, or use tactics; turn your brain off, or turn it on; that's when you own the world.

[nightcobra]

Wynne wrote...

Nightcobra and Pwnsaur, you both made me smile.

               gee thanks^_^

[Oloos]

You know, for the number of compagnions so far, for me it appears to be the same than origins (possible spoilers ahead for Origins) :

Aveline & Fenris : 2 warriors (like Sten & Oghren, i put Alistair apart)
Isabela & Varric : 2 rogues, 1 at close combat, 1 at distance (like Lelianna & Zevran)
Merril & "Yet-to-be-known-mage-who-could-be-Anders" : 2 mages (like Whynne & Morrigan)

Carver/Bethany : 2 characters you cannot have in your party at the same time and who are probably important to the plot of the game (like Alistair/Loghain)

Sebastian : a bonus DLC Character (like Shale)


That's a 7/8 characters for each game as far as i know.


Okay, there's the dog in Origins but... It's just a dog... It's not like his conversation was very important or interesting... :innocent:

[December Man]

Oh dear. Merril is jailbait. Pointy ears and double D's on a human child.

[Beaner28]

Morroian wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

The problem companies like BioWare don't realize, is that while it may
sound tempting getting this free influx of cash to allocate towards
promotion and marketing, it always comes with strings attached. Infinity
Ward was gutted by Activision as was Mythic by EA. Not to mention the
corporate parent now supercedes the decision making process.

Still waiting for your explanation of what a true rpg is.

Still waiting for a coherent argument from you.

[Naitaka]

Just watched the video and DA2 is finally starting to look more appealing to me after the initial disappointment at the direction they are taking the franchise. Now only if someone would confirm whether we will be given a updated toolset with DA2 resources then I can safely press that pre-order button. On a side note, I'm pretty sure that DA2 is not the first interactive frame narrative. Most recently Alpha Protocol had a similiar framed narrative structure and I'm sure there are more in the past.

Modifié par Naitaka, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:37 .

[Eudaemonium]

Naitaka wrote...

Just watched the video and DA2 is finally starting to look more appealing to me after the initial disappointment at the direction they are taking the franchise. Now only if someone would confirm whether we will be given a updated toolset with DA2 resources then I can safely press that pre-order button. On a side note, I'm pretty sure that DA2 is not the first interactive frame narrative. Most recently Alpha Protocol had a similiar framed narrative structure and I'm sure there are more in the past.

They've already said that there will nto be a toolset (update) at release (due to the one for Origins being due to the 6-month-ish delay caused by the console ports). They've said there *might* be one later, possibly, if time and resources allow, but that's as close as we've come.

[Pwnsaur]

December Man wrote...

Oh dear. Merril is jailbait. Pointy ears and double D's on a human child.

Oh dear. Your mock outrage would better suit the FOX News channel. Is your first name Glenn by any chance?

[Beaner28]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Just watched the video and DA2 is finally starting to look more appealing to me after the initial disappointment at the direction they are taking the franchise. Now only if someone would confirm whether we will be given a updated toolset with DA2 resources then I can safely press that pre-order button. On a side note, I'm pretty sure that DA2 is not the first interactive frame narrative. Most recently Alpha Protocol had a similiar framed narrative structure and I'm sure there are more in the past.

They've already said that there will nto be a toolset (update) at release (due to the one for Origins being due to the 6-month-ish delay caused by the console ports). They've said there *might* be one later, possibly, if time and resources allow, but that's as close as we've come.

You mean BioWare won't be able to rely on the modding community to fix their game? Oh, dear.

[Naitaka]

Eudaemonium wrote...

They've already said that there will nto be a toolset (update) at release (due to the one for Origins being due to the 6-month-ish delay caused by the console ports). They've said there *might* be one later, possibly, if time and resources allow, but that's as close as we've come.

Yes, I know there won't be one at release. But if they can confirm that they will be releasing one evantually it would really seal the deal for me. I actually couldn't get into Origin at all despite liking the story a great deal. Only when I have gone back to the game months later to find most if not all my gripes with the game fixed by the amazing modding community did I manage to complete a full playthrough.

[Naitaka]

Beaner28 wrote...

You mean BioWare won't be able to rely on the modding community to fix their game? Oh, dear.

Don't even get me started on the state that Awakening is in...

Modifié par Naitaka, 11 janvier 2011 - 12:55 .

[Nerevar-as]

Still not interested in the story. I would like to know how linear it is going to be, can´t help thinking this is going to be like JE.



And people are seriously arguing about Merril´s size?

[Shiratori]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Still not interested in the story. I would like to know how linear it is going to be, can´t help thinking this is going to be like JE.

And people are seriously arguing about Merril´s size?

You mean still arguing despite the fact the devs already addressed it more than once?  Hey, haters gotta hate no matter what anyone says.

[Nerevar-as]

Shiratori wrote...

You mean still arguing despite the fact the devs already addressed it more than once?  Hey, haters gotta hate no matter what anyone says.

I saw most dev comments were about that. Not bad for about 1 second screentime.

Was Merril involved with the male DE Origin?

[December Man]

Pwnsaur wrote...
Oh dear. Your mock outrage would better suit the FOX News channel. Is your first name Glenn by any chance?

What are you on about? I'm stating my opinion. Petite women - ok, but her breasts are really large for such body size though and her face is making her look in her early teens.

Modifié par December Man, 11 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[Shiratori]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Shiratori wrote...

You mean still arguing despite the fact the devs already addressed it more than once?  Hey, haters gotta hate no matter what anyone says.

I saw most dev comments were about that. Not bad for about 1 second screentime.

Was Merril involved with the male DE Origin?

No, there was no romantic relationship between Merrill and the Warden (regardless of male or female).

[tmp7704]

On the subject of breast size, surprised no one yet brought up this...



Bethany out of exaggeration mode by the looks of it

(although maybe it's just the angle of the shot and the lighting making it appear this way; but given earlier smirks from devs whenever that subject popped up... it may be just the case)

[Pwnsaur]

December Man wrote...

Pwnsaur wrote...
Oh dear. Your mock outrage would better suit the FOX News channel. Is your first name Glenn by any chance?

What are you on about? I'm stating my opinion. Petite women - ok, her breasts are really large for such body size though and her face is making her look in her early teens.

She is an elf. Their skin is generally flawless and supple. It is very customary for people to 'decide' to be offended by things because it makes them feel important. Stop it. She's not a child. She's not meant to look like a child. She's not meant to simulate a child. Go somewhere else to start sensationalist arguments and unload you faux-outrage.

[ToJKa1]

ToJKa approves +15. Now some stuff about Lady Hawke and some more gameplay footage, please?

[December Man]

Pwnsaur wrote...

She is an elf. Their skin is generally flawless and supple. It is very customary for people to 'decide' to be offended by things because it makes them feel important. Stop it. She's not a child. She's not meant to look like a child. She's not meant to simulate a child. Go somewhere else to start sensationalist arguments and unload you faux-outrage.

I'm not outraged nor offended; you are the one attacking me for my opinion, so you are the one raging here. Of course she is not a child nor simulating one, but she does look like a teenager.

[Pwnsaur]

December Man wrote...


I'm not outraged nor offended; you are the one attacking me for my opinion, so you are the one raging here. Of course she is not a child nor simulating one, but she does look like a teenager.

You stated she is jailbait. I hardly call that just stating your opinion, it was meant to be inflammatory.

[SmokePants]

I'm usually very supportive of BioWare's decisions, but I hate that beard. There is very little that's actually stylistic about DA's "own-able art style" except for that thing, which looks like it was lifted straight off of Clone Wars Obi-Wan's face. It looks mismatched with everything else. At least I'll be able to change it.