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[packardbell]

Sjofn wrote...

My main complaint about this video is that it seems so aggressively "this is the tale of the MALE Hawke." Anyone coming to this video without knowing much about DA2 would definitely come away with the impression you could only be male. That's really unfortunate.

DA2's marketing continues to irritate Sjofn, news at 11.

That's how Bioware marketed ME2.

[AlanC9]

And DAO.

[foxtrotcharlie]

^^
@sojfn I know that you've probably heard this before, but the main reason is simply because its more efficient to market a singular main character. Not two sexes of the same character. People prefer simplicity. You see a handsome bearded guy with a blood smear on his nose--throughout the entire trailer you see it chronical his journey--then the trailer ends. Short, sweet and to the point.

Now, let's start it differently. For example, you see a handsome bearded guy with a blood smear on his nose, then Bethany casting a spell, then a beautiful woman with a blood smear on her nose running down a path. Quite confusing. Is she a follower of the first guy? Or are they related? Is the blood some sort of marking for a mercenary or military group? Questions like these, which I automatically thought of, cause the trailer itself to be muddled, and thus less streamlined. Even if FHawke and MHawke had their own respective trailers, showing both at different intervals would still be confusing to an unknowing audience.

So, I would not worry about it too much. What I always think is that in most Bioware games, players have the choice to play as female or male. Well, to cheer you up, I heard on the grapevine that on the third developer diary video called "Hawke" we will all see FHawke in action! It will come out sometime before Jan 25th I think....so that will be something to keep your spirits up before March 8th!

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[HighMoon]

It would seem the "up against the wall" LI is Isabela.

[Sjofn]

foxtrotcharlie wrote...
Now, let's start it differently. For example, you see a handsome bearded guy with a blood smear on his nose, then Bethany casting a spell, then a beautiful woman with a blood smear on her nose running down a path. Quite confusing. Is she a follower of the first guy? Or are they related? Is the blood some sort of marking for a mercenary or military group? Questions like these, which I automatically thought of, cause the trailer itself to be muddled, and thus less streamlined. Even if FHawke and MHawke had their own respective trailers, showing both at different intervals would still be confusing to an unknowing audience.

Yes, I've heard that completely weak excuse before. It doesn't mean I have to think it's a good idea or should be done in this sort of thing. It bothers me less in the commercials, but for dev diary type stuff? I am pretty sure the people interested enough to watch that can hold the concept in their brain that the lady with the red smear on her face like the guy? She's Ms. Hawke.


EDIT: And I know that's how they marketed ME2. I hated it then as well. I just get really sick of being the Other Shepard and now the Other Hawke.

Modifié par Sjofn, 13 janvier 2011 - 08:19 .

[LPPrince]

Golden-Rose wrote...

It would seem the "up against the wall" LI is Isabela.

Well, at least physically, I find her more attractive than ME2's Jack. What with Jack being ME2's "up against the wall romance"(Arguable when counting Miranda and Jacob)

At first, looking at trailer showing Isabela, I was like, "Who's the fugly one?"

I am so glad that in game she looks much better and that my opinion of her aesthetics has changed.

Now I just hope her personality is awesome.

[White_Buffalo94]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

New Cassandra is better than the freaky white hair. She has gone back to being sexy.

I gotta agree, she is very attractive. I'm still hoping to destroy the Chantry

[nightcobra]

LPPrince wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

It would seem the "up against the wall" LI is Isabela.

Well, at least physically, I find her more attractive than ME2's Jack. What with Jack being ME2's "up against the wall romance"(Arguable when counting Miranda and Jacob)

At first, looking at trailer showing Isabela, I was like, "Who's the fugly one?"

I am so glad that in game she looks much better and that my opinion of her aesthetics has changed.

Now I just hope her personality is awesome.

well...her personality IS inspired by han solo and malcom reynolds.

[Collider]

Isabela looks quite good in-game.



Overall quite a well done trailer. Nothing stands out as worrying to me that was introduced in it. Although I would have liked some female Hawke VA and some hinting towards who her LIs are.

[White_Buffalo94]

All of the characters look very well. Everything looks like it is coming together :]

[Tinxa]

Sjofn wrote...

foxtrotcharlie wrote...
Now, let's start it differently. For example, you see a handsome bearded guy with a blood smear on his nose, then Bethany casting a spell, then a beautiful woman with a blood smear on her nose running down a path. Quite confusing. Is she a follower of the first guy? Or are they related? Is the blood some sort of marking for a mercenary or military group? Questions like these, which I automatically thought of, cause the trailer itself to be muddled, and thus less streamlined. Even if FHawke and MHawke had their own respective trailers, showing both at different intervals would still be confusing to an unknowing audience.

Yes, I've heard that completely weak excuse before. It doesn't mean I have to think it's a good idea or should be done in this sort of thing. It bothers me less in the commercials, but for dev diary type stuff? I am pretty sure the people interested enough to watch that can hold the concept in their brain that the lady with the red smear on her face like the guy? She's Ms. Hawke.


EDIT: And I know that's how they marketed ME2. I hated it then as well. I just get really sick of being the Other Shepard and now the Other Hawke.

I agree. Okay no cgi trailers of female Hawke that I can live with, but a dev diary where a dev can explan "you can also play as a female" and we see a female Hawke saying 1 line of dialogue so we finally hear her voice
 with the rest of dev diary still loaded with bearded male Hawke. I don't see how that could confuse anyone who isn't braindead. She would only be shown for a few seconds with explanation of who she is.

[KennethAFTopp]

Isabella sounds really familiar...

[foxtrotcharlie]

Tinxa wrote...

Sjofn wrote...
Yes, I've heard that completely weak excuse before. It doesn't mean I have to think it's a good idea or should be done in this sort of thing. It bothers me less in the commercials, but for dev diary type stuff? I am pretty sure the people interested enough to watch that can hold the concept in their brain that the lady with the red smear on her face like the guy? She's Ms. Hawke.


EDIT: And I know that's how they marketed ME2. I hated it then as well. I just get really sick of being the Other Shepard and now the Other Hawke.

I agree. Okay no cgi trailers of female Hawke that I can live with, but a dev diary where a dev can explan "you can also play as a female" and we see a female Hawke saying 1 line of dialogue so we finally hear her voice
 with the rest of dev diary still loaded with bearded male Hawke. I don't see how that could confuse anyone who isn't braindead. She would only be shown for a few seconds with explanation of who she is.

Well, I see your point. There has been a lack of footage with FHawke released from the devs.  And we're all asking ourselves, what's the holdup? Are they purposely holding back to present MHawke first?  And I believe the answer is, of course, yes.  The majority of gamers are, in fact male and best identify with their own sex.  I realize that this is not an excuse for FHawke to be presented later, but however. If you look at the marketing of Mass Effect I and II, as well as DA:O, it is simply in the numbers: marketing a male character works, and tests well with an audience.  

As for why MHawke has been used in dev videos, truly, you can say the same thing--most gamers want "A", then we first show "A."  Oh, and another point, remember how about a few months ago, when we saw demos that were being played in Europe, the graphics were much less defined, as well as a myriad of lots of other little problems that needed to be fixed. I like to think that perhaps the reasons why these dev vidoes were released so close to the release date was because of their late finish of the completed game.

 So truly, if the devs released the vidoes earlier, would you be as angry about there being a lack of FHawke footage as you are now? I bet you that you wouldn't, you perhaps to a much lesser degree.  So, I understand where you are coming from, lol. But I think, we all must understand that, even in dev videos, Bioware is first and foremost a buisness.  And in buisness, you do not radically change a set pattern of production techniques that work.  Would presenting FHawke as the posterchild of DA II be great? Yes, , of course it would be.  But-- in implimenting such a different tactic --even to us, the loyal DA fans, could it cause more adverse effects than to just continue to use MHawke?--very likely. 

Its not that pleasant to say that, I know.  But all I have to say for the future is that the percentage of women entering the gaming world is steadily rising, and with it will come an overhaul of game advertising, as well as design.  And I can't wait for that to happen:D.  But this is not something that will happen overnight--in fact it will take several more years.  But, I must beg you not to be so quick to hate Bioware for 'not catering as much to female gamers,' because, from what I've seen, more than any other company out there, Bioware has practically pioneered the true integration of the female player into rpgs, both with their uttermost care to present the female character to be just as characteristically versitile as the male character, and to have her own set of memorable love interests.  

So in parting, I have to just say, no worries, my friend.  We are not quite there yet, but we are definately getting closer.  <3

[catabuca]

Estelindis wrote...

I don't know, but I think a reverse romance path could be sex -> love (vs. love -> sex, obviously). So romance in the manner of Morrigan and Zevran, basically.

Which is exactly the way a lot of real life 'romances' begin.

My husband and I started out as a one night stand which was very much just about the sex ... been married 10 years this year.

[Jhonny Nocturne]

LPPrince wrote...

Well, at least physically, I find her more attractive than ME2's Jack. What with Jack being ME2's "up against the wall romance"(Arguable when counting Miranda and Jacob)

At first, looking at trailer showing Isabela, I was like, "Who's the fugly one?"

I am so glad that in game she looks much better and that my opinion of her aesthetics has changed.

Now I just hope her personality is awesome.

Sort of, but....not really.

Modifié par Jhonny Nocturne, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:46 .

[wintermute1984]

Well, I didn't read all of the 39 pages of comments, but I sure watched the trailer more than 39 times I probably will need to freeze myself eric cartman style until this game comes out.



I was just reading the developer comments on this thread and I couldn't stop to urge to point out how unique Bioware is in the game industry, not only due to making amazing games consistently but also due to having the most down to earth developers. Seeing head honchos like Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider interacting with the fans regularly through community forums is something unheard of in other game forums I participate in. Thanks to all devs for being the part of the community.

[Riosred]

Saibh wrote...



It appears this is our full set of companions (and probably Bethany/Carver) too. That appears to be "Anders" at the bottom.

ohhhhh, interesting but I don't see Dragon Age 2 on the list of Greg Ellis' credits...although I heard we are expecting a male mage as last companion.....

[macrocarl]

Awesome! Come on March 8th!

[Maria Caliban]

Riosred wrote...

Saibh wrote...



It appears this is our full set of companions (and probably Bethany/Carver) too. That appears to be "Anders" at the bottom.

ohhhhh, interesting but I don't see Dragon Age 2 on the list of Greg Ellis' credits...although I heard we are expecting a male mage as last companion.....

I assume Greg Ellis is Ander's voice actor.

1. They can't list DA II in their credits yet as it would give away who was playing what.
2. He didn't say it was Anders. He said it was "Anders." The guy looks a bit like him in the only screen shot we have, but people are divided on whether it's him or a different mage.

[The Night Haunter]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Riosred wrote...

Saibh wrote...



It appears this is our full set of companions (and probably Bethany/Carver) too. That appears to be "Anders" at the bottom.

ohhhhh, interesting but I don't see Dragon Age 2 on the list of Greg Ellis' credits...although I heard we are expecting a male mage as last companion.....

I assume Greg Ellis is Ander's voice actor.

1. They can't list DA II in their credits yet as it would give away who was playing what.
2. He didn't say it was Anders. He said it was "Anders." The guy looks a bit like him in the only screen shot we have, but people are divided on whether it's him or a different mage.

Personally I think Anders will be in the game, but NOT as a companion. I Think he'll be an npc (not just a cemeo apperance), but i don't think he will join the pc.

[Kyda]

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Fenris was magically mute...

LOL... what if he actually is mute... 

[Riosred]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Riosred wrote...

Saibh wrote...



It appears this is our full set of companions (and probably Bethany/Carver) too. That appears to be "Anders" at the bottom.

ohhhhh, interesting but I don't see Dragon Age 2 on the list of Greg Ellis' credits...although I heard we are expecting a male mage as last companion.....

I assume Greg Ellis is Ander's voice actor.

1. They can't list DA II in their credits yet as it would give away who was playing what.
2. He didn't say it was Anders. He said it was "Anders." The guy looks a bit like him in the only screen shot we have, but people are divided on whether it's him or a different mage.

Personally I think Anders will be in the game, but NOT as a companion. I Think he'll be an npc (not just a cemeo apperance), but i don't think he will join the pc.

Well Scott Valentine posted his appearance on DA2 last year which is how we knew Alistair was making a cameo once it came out......
Any idea where we got the idea a mage was expected as a companion?

[DarthCaine]

KennethAFTopp wrote...

Isabella sounds really familiar...

Maybe because you had an orgy with her in Origins?

[IRMcGhee]

Different VA.