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[RogueWriter3201]

Maria Caliban wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

1) Hawke and Merrill don't fall into the catagory of arranged marriages. If you're with Merril in the context of how BioWare usually handles romances then it's because she love you, deeply. She isn't going to want to mess around. She isn't Isabela.

2) Yes, I'm sure the Dalish would want Merrill to have an Elven child, Magic oriented or no. However, it's unlikely they would ask Merrill to make that kind of choice if she's as deeply devoted to Hawke as she's likely to be. Again, that's how BioWare usually does it. Soul Mates and so on. You putting Merrill into *your* shoes, i.e. what you think is cosure. It's unlikely Mary Kirby gave her your personality, sense of Morality. Not that you're a bad person, I think you're hilarious. But, Merril ain't you.

3) Prima Nocta is fictitious? Have you ever picked up a History Book, or taken a course in World history or anthropology? It was far from *fiction.* It was gross and it happened quite often especially in the Northern Europe and parts of France and Ireland/Scottland. I compared Merrill laying with another man to it because of the emotional damage it would do to one partner or another.

Okay, I'm going to back off here as I seemed to have pushed a button.

Asking me if I've ever picked up a history book is rather insulting. Moreover, I'd suggest that both of us are obviously working within the framework of our respective moralities.

Neither of us have any idea what her actual personality is or outlook is.

Then I apologize, Maria. It was not my intention to insult you. I was just taken aback by the statement. I do have a great deal of affinity for your perspectives, observations, etc; it's just with this one I guess I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Again, sorry if I was rude, or overly hostile. That's not my bag.

[Demx]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Siradix wrote...

That could also be proposed to Merrill as well. What if Hawke wanted a human child? She would be denying him, the champion of Kirkwall, the right because of her own selfish needs.

She could always have a child with Hawke later when they have an elven child to raise, or vice versa.

Exactly. They could even adopt both human and elven children as well.

[The Elder King]

I believe that talking about the possibility for Hawke and Merrill to have children will lead to nothing. Especially because the devs said that Hawke isn't going to have children in DA2.

[Sabariel]

There's no harm in discussing hypothetical situations.

[RogueWriter3201]

Siradix wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Siradix wrote...

That could also be proposed to Merrill as well. What if Hawke wanted a human child? She would be denying him, the champion of Kirkwall, the right because of her own selfish needs.

She could always have a child with Hawke later when they have an elven child to raise, or vice versa.

Exactly. They could even adopt both human and elven children as well.

This.

To me, Love, True Love, does not condone sexual relations with someone outside of marriage or the relationship, even if it's only for the sake of procreation. If they both want children who are completely of one race or another (which something I don't see two great Heroes wanting) there is always adoption. We've seen alot of people loose thier lives to the spawn and other threats, which mean there are alot of children out there of both races who could be taken in. 

[Demx]

hhh89 wrote...

I believe that talking about the possibility for Hawke and Merrill to have children will lead to nothing. Especially because the devs said that Hawke isn't going to have children in DA2.

That's true, but people do like to debate every now and again. Even if none of the stuff we mention actually transpires.

[Maria Caliban]

glenboy24 wrote...

Then I apologize, Maria. It was not my intention to insult you. I was just taken aback by the statement. I do have a great deal of affinity for your perspectives, observations, etc; it's just with this one I guess I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Again, sorry if I was rude, or overly hostile. That's not my bag.

And I've always enjoyed your posts.

I agree that Merril isn't me and I'm sorry if it seemed I was simply attempting to make her 'like Maria.'

Though I think a Maria love interest would be awesome.

[Dave of Canada]

Siradix wrote...

Exactly. They could even adopt both human and elven children as well.

It's not about adopting, it's about elves dying out and elves wanting the most elves possible to maintain a steady population. Humans are abundant, it doesn't matter if they have a human child because then they are simply assisting in the extinction of the elves.

She would most likely want an elven child to increase elf population, not adopt one and keep it the same. This is assuming they even allow elf adoptions.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 janvier 2011 - 01:08 .

[RogueWriter3201]

Siradix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I believe that talking about the possibility for Hawke and Merrill to have children will lead to nothing. Especially because the devs said that Hawke isn't going to have children in DA2.

That's true, but people do like to debate every now and again. Even if none of the stuff we mention actually transpires.

Ha. If you've been with the BioWare Community long enough, you'll these types of conversations/debates comprise perhaps...75% of the dicussed topics. Might be off a bit there, but not by much.

[The Elder King]

If Merrill is going to have her special tree, what kind of tree do you believe the devs cut off from her?

[Maria Caliban]

Unlike rogues and warriors, mages don't seem to have anything basic talent cut off from them. Only the specializations.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 janvier 2011 - 01:11 .

[Demx]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Exactly. They could even adopt both human and elven children as well.

It's not about adopting, it's about elves dying out and elves wanting the most elves possible to maintain a steady population. Humans are abundant, it doesn't matter if they have a human child because then they are simply assisting in the extinction of the elves.

She would most likely want an elven child to increase elf population, not adopt one and keep it the same.

Are you saying that adopting an orphaned elven child living alone and barley getting by on scraps does not count as an effort to maintain a steady population for the elven people?

[Sabariel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Unlike rogues and warriors, mages don't seem to have anything basic talent cut off from them. Only the specializations.

I was just going to start sobbing about Arcane Warrior before you edited your post

[RogueWriter3201]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Exactly. They could even adopt both human and elven children as well.

It's not about adopting, it's about elves dying out and elves wanting the most elves possible to maintain a steady population. Humans are abundant, it doesn't matter if they have a human child because then they are simply assisting in the extinction of the elves.

She would most likely want an elven child to increase elf population, not adopt one and keep it the same. This is assuming they even allow elf adoptions.

Dave, this has been covered at length. Elves are not dying out. There is *nothing* in any codex or conversation that would indicate such. There have been a few comments and passages about the Elves being "few in number" but that does not equate extinction. You only need a few Thousand members of a species to permit propregation. Even if a few go "off the farm" it's not going to risk the entire race. The only race in Thedas (that we know off) that are at risk are the Dwarves because of the low Fertility rate of Dwarven Women. Elven Women do not suffer from low fertility. They give birth just fine, albiet to human children when they are with a Human lover/husband/etc. Not trying to shoot you down, it's just...well, those are the facts.

[Dave of Canada]

Siradix wrote...

Are you saying that adopting an orphaned elven child living alone and barley getting by on scraps does not count as an effort to maintain a steady population for the elven people?

Not really, no. Considering that's the state almost every single city elf is living in.

[The Elder King]

Well, that's kind of relieving. I was wondering about the skill tree they're going to cut off from the mages companions. Thank you Maria for the news

[RogueWriter3201]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Unlike rogues and warriors, mages don't seem to have anything basic talent cut off from them. Only the specializations.

Which, being the Mage **** that I am, was a relief to hear/see, to be sure. It seems Mages won't be the Uber-Meqst that they were in DAO, but most of the "Holy Crap" spell sets remain. Brilliant. On that note, despite indications that Merrill will be a Blood Mage, anyone else going to utilize her as a Healer? I know I plan to unless she's like Morrigan or we get someone better.

[Demx]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Are you saying that adopting an orphaned elven child living alone and barley getting by on scraps does not count as an effort to maintain a steady population for the elven people?

Not really, no. Considering that's the state almost every single city elf is living in.

That so mean.

*Looks at the poverty stricken orphan elves*

Run along children Dave is not adopting anyone, because he feels only elves with families should procreate and prosper.

[Bryy_Miller]

Siradix wrote...
Run along children Dave is not adopting anyone, because he feels only elves with families should procreate and prosper.

Procreation is not mutually exclusive to prosperity. And if you can't support yourself, hell no you shouldn't be making babies.

[Ortaya Alevli]

I'd rather train her as a healer. I'm not really interested in putting any mage Hawke in that position, and Bethany doesn't seem the type anyways. Besides, with that cute little kitten face of hers, I have a hard time picturing her zapping people left and right, never mind blood magic.

[Atakuma]

Modifié par Atakuma, 15 janvier 2011 - 01:27 .

[Demx]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Procreation is not mutually exclusive to prosperity. And if you can't support yourself, hell no you shouldn't be making babies.

Of course not, but you can't simply ignore those who are born into such an environment either.

[RogueWriter3201]

Ortaya Alevli wrote...

I'd rather train her as a healer. I'm not really interested in putting any mage Hawke in that position, and Bethany doesn't seem the type anyways. Besides, with that cute little kitten face of hers, I have a hard time picturing her zapping people left and right, never mind blood magic.

Once again, I'm reminded of the sore point that is not having Bethany around if you yourself choose the Mage path. If she was available to Mages from the start it would be easy enough to put your sibling in the Healer role freeing up Merrill to be the Cute dealer of Magical Death.

[Dave of Canada]

glenboy24 wrote...

Dave, this has been covered at length. Elves are not dying out.

They are struggling, their lifespans are shortening if you want to believe the Dalish and they are constantly killed and raped by the humans in the city. A humanxelf couple would be helping in the destruction of the elves because that would mean another elf is "lost" to the humans, a dalish elf (Marrill) would understand that more than anybody.

... and the "few in number" thing isn't something that should be brushed aside like nothing. There is a problem, if Merrill wants an elven child and you refuse her because it's your "right" to have a child with her... then... yeah.

The only race in Thedas (that we know off) that are at risk are the Dwarves because of the low Fertility rate of Dwarven Women.

How come it's the dwarven women's fault?