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[Big_Chief]

I am astounded that the last eight or so pages have been devoted almost entirely to a discussion of feet vs. shoes. Surely that must be some sort of record.

[Face of Evil]

If mages were capable of making articles of clothing invisible, you'd think they'd use their powers to conceal those horrible hats.

I loved the description of the First Enchanter's cap in Awakening. "This hat draws awe and respect from fellow mages and derision from the common folk."

Modifié par Face of Evil, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:03 .

[lv12medic]

Big_Chief wrote...

I am astounded that the last eight or so pages have been devoted almost entirely to a discussion of feet vs. shoes. Surely that must be some sort of record.

I'm sure there are forums that exists specifically to talk about shoes and feet.

But now I think I understand why Orlesians don't like elves now.  Has nothing to do with the Chantry.  Orlais likes outlandish shoes yet the elves wear none.  It just irks them all the way to the Black City.

[Face of Evil]

Who said Orlesians don't like elves?

Leliana likes my City Elf warden just fine.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:09 .

[Apollo Starflare]

I know a couple of people who didn't wear shoes for years, whether it was outside or inside or whatever. I have no trouble imagining characters from a fantasy game who traditionally live in forrested areas going without footwear due to their personal beliefs/preferences. Hell, it's been done before several times just to my knowledge.



If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

[lv12medic]

Face of Evil wrote...

Who said Orlesians don't like elves?

I could have sworn I read that the alienages in Orlais are worse off than say the one in Denerim.  Probably in the DA:O forums somewhere... in that behemoth forum section.  I could be mistaken though.

[Addai]

Apollo Starflare wrote...
If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

*twitch* at the comparison of elves to animals

It's not a Dalish-only thing apparently.  City elves also.

Whatever.  To those clucking at discussion of something so "trivial," just a reminder that you are on a board solely dedicated to a video game.  I'm sure there's a forum solving the world's problems that's demanding your attention, somewhere. 

[mellifera]

Honestly, I'd be more worried about stepping in poo and whatever other unidentifiable sludge there is in Kirkwall. Being from a city... lots of unsavory things on the ground at all times. *shudders* But, if Merrill and Fenris don't mind poo-walking, more power to them xD I have a feeling none of my characters will be or want to anywhere near their feet (and not for shoeless reasons), so it doesn't matter.

Modifié par yukidama, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:32 .

[tmp7704]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

Dog's technically walk on their toes, and unlike humans come with special pads for both protection and traction

[Face of Evil]

lv12medic wrote...

I could have sworn I read that the alienages in Orlais are worse off than say the one in Denerim. 

I suspect you're referring to the Codex on Alienage Culture.

"There have always been alienages. They have been around for as long as elves and shems have lived in the same lands. Ours isn't even the worst: they say that Val Royeaux has ten thousand elves living in a space no bigger than Denerim's market."

That doesn't mean Orlesians HATE elves, it's more that they have little respect for them … Leliana says that in Orlais, elven servants are appreciated for their grace and beauty. (Like prize-winning animals.)

[Grumpy young man]

lv12medic wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

Who said Orlesians don't like elves?

I could have sworn I read that the alienages in Orlais are worse off than say the one in Denerim.  Probably in the DA:O forums somewhere... in that behemoth forum section.  I could be mistaken though.

And aren't they the main reason of the current elven situation since they've attacked/annexed Dales ? "imagines DA3 where elves unite and retake their land, kill and burn entire Orlais and destroy Val Royeaux in Chartage style:devil:".

[ViSeiRa]

You know in the war between Orlais and the Dales the elves nearly reached the Orleasian capital, they only lost because the chantry called for an exalted march, makes you wonder if them chevaliers are as strong as everyone thinks they are.

[tmp7704]

Given the Dales was gathering place for elves from all Thedas it's not that surprising they'd do pretty well against a single nation, even a strong one.

[MerinTB]

tmp7704 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

And I'd say it's just as questionable whether a fan's whims regarding what they consider "realistic" or pleasing should be more valid than an artist's... or a writer's, for that matter. Get over yourselves.

Considering it's generally the players not the artist in question that get to play the game in the end? I'm not sure who in this situation needs more to "get over themselves" -- i'm talking specifically about situations like changing the game mechanics to introduce pointless "heat clips" because the artists really really wanted to have this sort of visual in it.

*passes the "David Gaider told me to get over myself" plaque off*

[gastovski]

dont worry about looks what the mods for?

[Nayt Navare]

David Gaider wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
(although i'd question whether it's such a good idea to let the artists call the shots like that, considering supposedly number of questionable design elements in ME2 like the whole "weapon reloading" stuff and the widely mocked vacuum breathing masks were result of listening to the artists' whims perhaps a tiny bit too much)

And I'd say it's just as questionable whether a fan's whims regarding what they consider "realistic" or pleasing should be more valid than an artist's... or a writer's, for that matter. Get over yourselves.

Mr. Gaider, if I may- 

That's unfair.  While I understand your point, and personally, I'm with you on this.  I have to say that, sure, some of the fan created arguments have gone from civil, heck, even understandable, to outright hostile or insane.  Are there some scientific, logical or imaginative reasons behind the reactions of some fans?  Absolutely.  There is ample reason to question some of the design or artistic choices with character outfits in any game, including Dragon Age or Mass Effect, but at the same time, I completely understand the fact that character designs are meant to reflect that character ( For example- Garrus is more militaristic, thus a helmet.  Thane is mysterious, thus a hood.  Miranda is a "physical" character, so a mask that shows her character model) and personally, with this argument, I agree that elves, either poor or natural, could easily go without shoes.  It's a design choice based on the character or background, and they make sense.  I personally don't question or disagree with the choices Bioware has made, with any of these aforementioned examples (the underwear in the "intimate scenes" are another matter).  I am wholly with Bioware on these issues (for the most part).

But chastising fans who spend roughly $64.15, on average, during an international economic downturn, no less, is a bit unfair to me.  While I would agree that some of the arguments have been less than civil or logical, I would argue that consumers have every right to voice displeasure over ANY choice by a developer, so long as those arguments are presented IN CIVIL, ORGANIZED AND PLEASANT WAYS. 

Now, as Bioware is one of the few great developers who interact with your fans, and this of course includes you, I would encourage such discussion amongst fans and developers about their designs, and the over all choice IS with you, as it is, in essence, your game.  We are consumers.

But just as it's your game, WE buy it.  WE, as a consumers, have a right to voice our opinion. 

Now, on the other hand, the same must be said about "forum etiquette",since I know a few people prove the classic mathematical equation that "internet+anonymity+ration person=jerk", I MUST point out that my explanation of my standpoint with forum discussion naturally includes the people who would go against the, again, aforementioned CIVIL, POLITE discussion about design choices. 

My personal opinion about Merrill and no shoes?

I like it.  She's a freaking elf hippie, she ain't gonna have no shooooooeeeesssss 

..... Have I added enough emoticons so my post will be taken as friendly and respectful as I mean it? 

[Face of Evil]

Grumpy young man wrote...

And aren't they the main reason of the current elven situation since they've attacked/annexed Dales ? "imagines DA3 where elves unite and retake their land, kill and burn entire Orlais and destroy Val Royeaux in Chartage style:devil:".

To be fair to the humans, the elves were at least partially responsible for starting a war with Orlais. Closing their borders and tossing out missionaries from the Chantry was one thing; refusing to aid the shemlen during the second Blight and destroying a human village was another.

And when the Dales fell, the Chantry commanded the nations of Thedas to take in the elven refugees.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:36 .

[Nayt Navare]

Face of Evil wrote...

To be fair to the humans, the elves were at least partially responsible for starting a war with Orlais. Closing their borders and tossing out missionaries from the Chantry was one thing; refusing to aid the humans during the second Blight and destroying a human village was another.

And when the Dales fell, the Chantry commanded the nations of Thedas to take in the elven refugees.

HA!  I like your sig.... I get it.

[Addai]

ViSeirA wrote...

You know in the war between Orlais and the Dales the elves nearly reached the Orleasian capital, they only lost because the chantry called for an exalted march, makes you wonder if them chevaliers are as strong as everyone thinks they are.

They were too busy poncing to mount a proper defense!

Somewhere on the old forums I saw Ser Gaider correcting a misimpression that the Dales were a pushover.  The elves put up a good fight, apparently.

[Face of Evil]

SE JN wrote...

HA!  I like your sig.... I get it.

Thanks. The banner wasn't made by me, but the wording is mine.

Addai67 wrote...

They were too busy poncing to mount a proper defense!

To be fair, Orlesian military tactics at the time consisted entirely of throwing livestock at invaders.

By the time the elves conquered Montsimmard, they'd had enough. "On second thought, let's not go to Val Royeaux. It is a silly place."

Modifié par Face of Evil, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[Nayt Navare]

Face of Evil wrote...

SE JN wrote...

HA!  I like your sig.... I get it.

Thanks. The banner isn't mine, but the wording was my idea.

Your quite welcome!


Yay, internet civility! 

[Apollo Starflare]

Addai67 wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

*twitch* at the comparison of elves to animals

It's not a Dalish-only thing apparently.  City elves also.

Whatever.  To those clucking at discussion of something so "trivial," just a reminder that you are on a board solely dedicated to a video game.  I'm sure there's a forum solving the world's problems that's demanding your attention, somewhere. 

I didn't compare Elves to Dogs. I compared my human friends with the new Elf look and then asked whether people found it broke immersion when they thought about all the things Dog (the only DAO character who always forgoes footwear/isn't made of stone) stepped in/on. That isn't comparing Elves to to an animal. Merely suggesting they would have the same problem.

Probably was aimed generally but I didn't say it was trivial either, there have been more trivial things discussed around here anyway.

tmp7704 wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

If
people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc.
then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are
thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we
ignored that easily enough.

Dog's technically walk on their toes, and unlike humans come with special pads for both protection and traction ../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png

I am aware of that, hence why I said that I find it hard to believe his paws/paw pads are thick enough to protect against everything they come across (I own two collies and if you think those toe pads are protective enough to resist sharp things like nails then you would be surprised, I've had to pull thorns out of poorly paws before for instance).

But yeah, this isn't a big issue for me at all seeing as how many characters in other fantasy/sci fi/etc. have been protrayed shoeless before and I've even known real life examples (who have indeed had unforunate encounters with poop and sharp objects amongst other things, crazy people didn't stop).

[ViSeiRa]

Face of Evil wrote...

To be fair to the humans, the elves were at least partially responsible for starting a war with Orlais. Closing their borders and tossing out missionaries from the Chantry was one thing; refusing to aid the shemlen during the second Blight and destroying a human village was another.

And when the Dales fell, the Chantry commanded the nations of Thedas to take in the elven refugees.

Take them in? it was a simple choice, either live in humans cities like second class citizens or be chased like an outlaw (the dalish) for your entire life, while I don't agree with the dalish when they didn't help defend against the blight I don't see why they wouldn't turn away the missionaries, they have their own "religion" if you will and they get closer to humans and they lose their lengthy life spans, the elves have every reason for reclusion.

[MarchWaltz]

Is it me or does she look 12?

[gastovski]

its really you