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[Dune01]

gastovski wrote...

its really you

Well said gastovski...Well said.

[tmp7704]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

I am aware of that, hence why I said that I find it hard to believe his paws/paw pads are thick enough to protect against everything they come across (I own two collies and if you think those toe pads are protective enough to resist sharp things like nails then you would be surprised, I've had to pull thorns out of poorly paws before for instance).

Yeah i wasn't trying to imply dogs are immune to such issues, but just the same they're built different enough to make it considerably lesser concern for them than it'd be for a human. Also, unlike humans the dogs don't get choice in this matter -- they can't exactly make themselves shoes even if they ever wished so.

[Nayt Navare]

I was thinking young, but, you know, legal... Seriously, I'm not a pervert, just saying.

[tmp7704]

ViSeirA wrote...

it was a simple choice, either live in humans cities like second class citizens or be chased like an outlaw (the dalish) for your entire life

It doesn't seem the Dalish are being actively chased like outlaws. Both sides seem to mostly take wide berth around each other. Mostly.

[ViSeiRa]

It's not like the dalish can show up somewhere, make a settlement and stay there, chantry templars will come for their keepers, human nations will want them out.. they are outlaws, they're on the run if you will, remember the warden's dalish clan? they simply had to leave "the forest" because they overstayed their welcome from a nearby village...

[Blastback]

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
(although i'd question whether it's such a good idea to let the artists call the shots like that, considering supposedly number of questionable design elements in ME2 like the whole "weapon reloading" stuff and the widely mocked vacuum breathing masks were result of listening to the artists' whims perhaps a tiny bit too much)

And I'd say it's just as questionable whether a fan's whims regarding what they consider "realistic" or pleasing should be more valid than an artist's... or a writer's, for that matter. Get over yourselves.

I'm sure you don't mean this to say that an artist's - or a writer's - opinion is more valid than that of the customers for whom they're creating their art, do you?

I mean, yes, some people will be unhappy no matter what you do, but if a large majority of your customers don't like something you did, wouldn't that be something to consider before continuing to do it or deciding to change?

And I have no idea if the examples mentioned there meet that "large majority" mark I mentioned - having never played ME or ME2, I have no idea what they even are - but I'm speaking in more general terms.

Well, if your at all curious about the examples, ME had a system where the weapons would never run out of ammo.  However, as you used them, they would overheat, limiting how much you could fire without pausing.  Suposedly, the artist wanted to ad a reloading visual, and so heat clips, which from a pure gameplay perspective functioned as ammo, were introduced.  Some people didn't like it.  Don't know how universally loathed it may or may not have been.

The helmets, well, I think that is more universal.  First game, when your party went into a hostile enviornment each party member had some form of airtight spacesuit helmet.  Second game, most of them only had breathing masks. 

[Kail Ashton]

Well, i do like her full outfit, it's spunky



Ed Asner: i hate spunk!!



Ha! every guy on the fenris fan thread disagrees with that Ed!

[David Gaider]

SE JN wrote...
But just as it's your game, WE buy it.  WE, as a consumers, have a right to voice our opinion.

Yes? Did I say that fans didn't have a right to comment as they wish?

I said what's questionable is the idea that the fan's idea of what's pleasing is MORE valid than an artist's, the original comment being that the artists are obviously doing whatever they wish without care or oversight-- as if they didn't care about the setting. An artist being concerned only with what looks good is just as bad as a fan caring only about what is realistic. We all wear our blinders.

I did not say the fan's concern was LESS valid then the artist's. If someone wants to groan about shoeless elves-- by all means. Knock yourselves out. It's your dollar, after all.

Modifié par David Gaider, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:04 .

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

it was a simple choice, either live in humans cities like second class citizens or be chased like an outlaw (the dalish) for your entire life

It doesn't seem the Dalish are being actively chased like outlaws. Both sides seem to mostly take wide berth around each other. Mostly.

In both the origin story and Velanna's, it does seem like they are chased from place to place because they are mostly unwelcome.  I suppose some clans would keep to wilder areas but they would have to trade a bit and thus come into contact with humans.  Then you have the templars etc.  I'm sure it's no accident we found templar corpses in the Brecilian Forest.

[mr_luga]

I'll be fine with this weird design choice if:

I can make a comment on it to Merrill " ... Why aren't you wearing shoes? Is it an elf thing?"

Then atleast Hawke pays attention to it. Instead of this whole.. Ignore whatever lolz outfits they wear concept

Modifié par mr_luga, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:07 .

[tmp7704]

ViSeirA wrote...

It's not like the dalish can show up somewhere, make a settlement and stay there (..)

That's true enough but it has more to do with access to resources than anything else, imo. I.e. if you try to settle on land someone else considers already theirs, start hunting game in the woods which up to this point was your source of food etc, then the tensions are bound to appear. Granted, being of different species, the history between these species and attitudes on both sides don't help to alleviate that in the slightest.

[Lord Gremlin]

David Gaider wrote...

SE JN wrote...
But just as it's your game, WE buy it.  WE, as a consumers, have a right to voice our opinion.

Yes? Did I say that fans didn't have a right to comment as they wish?

I said what's questionable is the idea that the fan's idea of what's pleasing is MORE valid than an artist's, the original comment being that the artists are obviously doing whatever they wish without care or oversight-- as if they didn't care about the setting. An artist being concerned only with what looks good is just as bad as a fan caring only about what is realistic. We all wear our blinders.

I did not say the fan's concern was LESS valid then the artist's. If someone wants to groan about shoeless elves-- by all means. Knock yourselves out. It's your dollar, after all.

Well, part of the problem is that we're all here much too eager to play your game to acually not purchase it. And since our unhealthy addiction will ensure day 1 purchase (or preorder) anyway, all that is left to us is whining and whining on your forum, cause sometimes it yeilds. Something....

So, on topic. Can elves wave their ears? I think Merril would look tremendously cute waving her little cute pointy ears:blush:

[Beerfish]

tmp7704 wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

Dog's technically walk on their toes, and unlike humans come with special pads for both protection and traction

That can still be easily cut on rocks, glass, nails you name it.

[Beerfish]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Well, i do like her full outfit, it's spunky

Ed Asner: i hate spunk!!

Ha! every guy on the fenris fan thread disagrees with that Ed!

Ah, what a great series, they certainly do not make comedies they way they used to.  I'm feeling nostalgic now.

[Blastback]

Lord Gremlin wrote...



So, on topic. Can elves wave their ears? I think Merril would look tremendously cute waving her little cute pointy ears:blush:

That would be hilarious.  And quite possibly adorable.

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

I said what's questionable is the idea that the fan's idea of what's pleasing is MORE valid than an artist's

I'd just like to point out this idea is entirely your own construct -- as my initial comment was just whether it's wise (for the people in charge of design) to give too much ear to individual fancies of the artists, this due to possibility of:

An artist being concerned only with what looks good is just as bad

To clarify, i wasn't actually thinking of fans' opinions there at all. Instead it was more along the lines of my experience with ME2 and how it'd make gameplay changes based on desires of people who weren't designers and factors which had nothing to do with actual gameplay ... and how that makes me somewhat wary whenever i hear "we made it so because that's what tickles the artists pink" as explanation for why things are the way they are.

[Nayt Navare]

David Gaider wrote...

SE JN wrote...
But just as it's your game, WE buy it.  WE, as a consumers, have a right to voice our opinion.

Yes? Did I say that fans didn't have a right to comment as they wish?

I said what's questionable is the idea that the fan's idea of what's pleasing is MORE valid than an artist's, the original comment being that the artists are obviously doing whatever they wish without care or oversight-- as if they didn't care about the setting. An artist being concerned only with what looks good is just as bad as a fan caring only about what is realistic. We all wear our blinders.

I did not say the fan's concern was LESS valid then the artist's. If someone wants to groan about shoeless elves-- by all means. Knock yourselves out. It's your dollar, after all.

Ah, apologies,  I mistook your meaning.

And here I was, trying to be all diplomatic, and it was about a country that didn't even exist, if you can excuse my metaphor.   I misread the situation.  But I appreciate your response.


As for Merrill- Is there anything with her voice yet?  Or anything new about her character?

[Face of Evil]

Wow, 150 pages and not even an official companion introduction yet. EAT THAT, AVELINE FANS!



I was just reading the Codex on The Long Walk and found this amusing tidbit:



"We walked with what little we had on our backs. Some walked without shoes, for they had none. Whole families, women with infants, the old and young alike--all of them made their way across the land on foot."



Historical precedent lol

[Maria Caliban]

Addai67 wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
If people are worried about Merrill stepping on sharp rocks and nails etc. then what about Dog? I find it hard to believe even Mabari paws are thick enough to protect them from everything of that sort, yet we ignored that easily enough.

*twitch* at the comparison of elves to animals

It's not a Dalish-only thing apparently.  City elves also.

I haven't seen any barefoot city elves.

[Addai]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I haven't seen any barefoot city elves.

Fenris?

[Drizzt ORierdan]

@SE JN  Mr. Gaider was kind enough to let us know he specially requested the actress in question, and that request was granted. She is Welsh, as apparently they're trying Welsh accent for Elves (at least Dalish?). And I tihnk thats the coolest thing about it.

I think that piece of info should be added to the first post...  Just saying...

Modifié par Drizzt ORierdan, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[Saibh]

Face of Evil wrote...

Wow, 150 pages and not even an official companion introduction yet. EAT THAT, AVELINE FANS!

It's not a competition. We can like both. I do.

[Nayt Navare]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

SE JN wrote...
But just as it's your game, WE buy it.  WE, as a consumers, have a right to voice our opinion.

Yes? Did I say that fans didn't have a right to comment as they wish?

I said what's questionable is the idea that the fan's idea of what's pleasing is MORE valid than an artist's, the original comment being that the artists are obviously doing whatever they wish without care or oversight-- as if they didn't care about the setting. An artist being concerned only with what looks good is just as bad as a fan caring only about what is realistic. We all wear our blinders.

I did not say the fan's concern was LESS valid then the artist's. If someone wants to groan about shoeless elves-- by all means. Knock yourselves out. It's your dollar, after all.

Well, part of the problem is that we're all here much too eager to play your game to acually not purchase it. And since our unhealthy addiction will ensure day 1 purchase (or preorder) anyway, all that is left to us is whining and whining on your forum, cause sometimes it yeilds. Something....

So, on topic. Can elves wave their ears? I think Merril would look tremendously cute waving her little cute pointy ears:blush:

While I doubt this is in the game- It'd be perfect.

[tmp7704]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I haven't seen any barefoot city elves.

We didn't get to see any "real" DA2 city elves yet. I think the presumption barefoot style extends to them as well is based on the comment how the artists have thing about "elves and shoes" which made it sound universal rather than limited to the dalish only.

[The Gentle Ben]

Beerfish wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...
Dog's technically walk on their toes, and unlike humans come with special pads for both protection and traction

That can still be easily cut on rocks, glass, nails you name it.

We put shoes on horses. I put balloons on my dog's feet when I run her during winter (so she doesn't get ice balls in her pads). If your point is that we under utilize footwear for our animal friends then you may well be right. I would suggest that the minimal prevalence of such accessories within the animal kingdom is a consequence of a lack of ingenuity and opportunity rather than an insufficience of advantages.

Modifié par The Gentle Ben, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:52 .