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[TMA LIVE]

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

[ViSeiRa]

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

[TMA LIVE]

ViSeirA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

It's just that, if she is a bloodmage, then I should avoid doing missions where I hunt them down, so I won't feel like a hypocrite.

[fredward55]

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[quote]Elfman wrote...

[quote]Asch Lavigne wrote...

Along with Merrill, I highly doubt Anders would be bisexual. He gave no indication of any homosexuality in Awakening, although with his new personality, who's to say.

What I want to know is, are they going to pull the Morrigan card again and make it so I have to chose a romance with her or hook her up with someone else or loose a companion for the end of the game again? I really hated that. [/quote]

Give the writers a little credit, they're not going to do ANOTHER Dark Ritual.

And you're right, I highly doubt Anders and Merrill will be bisexual. With Merrill, you can sort of tell, (plus Isabela's the bisexual female romance option), and Anders had that shoot lightning at fools line in Awakening. And he doesn't have a completely new personality, he's just more mature and possessed.
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Do I need to say it? Do I?

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Do it. Just do it.  
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They're all bi! 

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OH NOO:o quick hide you kid's hide your wives .... and hide you husbands:bandit:

[Taleroth]

TMA LIVE wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

It's just that, if she is a bloodmage, then I should avoid doing missions where I hunt them down, so I won't feel like a hypocrite.

Most quests that had you hunt Blood Mages in DAO, had you hunt the bad kind.  The ones who attack first and kill innocent people.

Except poor Jowan.

[ViSeiRa]

Taleroth wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

It's just that, if she is a bloodmage, then I should avoid doing missions where I hunt them down, so I won't feel like a hypocrite.

Most quests that had you hunt Blood Mages in DAO, had you hunt the bad kind.  The ones who attack first and kill innocent people.

Except poor Jowan.

That's exactly how I see it, I hunt bad mages not blood mages, I doubt Merrill is gonna be the "control minds" kind of blood mages, but then again she could be, "Whatever the cost" in her character page says a lot :-)

[TMA LIVE]

If she is a bloodmage, that'd make her very interesting. A cute character with such a dark power.

[LobselVith8]

Taleroth wrote...

Most quests that had you hunt Blood Mages in DAO, had you hunt the bad kind.  The ones who attack first and kill innocent people.

Except poor Jowan.

It could be a possibility, though.There could be a Jowan's Intention type quest involving Merrill, since she is technically an apostate in the eyes of the Chantry (as all Dalish mages are).

[Gerudan]

ViSeirA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

Well, it would fit with the Dalish Keeper in DA:O. Perhaps Bloodmagic is more or less normal for them. 

Modifié par Gerudan, 21 février 2011 - 05:33 .

[Derax]

I did not know that actually Merril isn'ta guy! 

[Taleroth]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Most quests that had you hunt Blood Mages in DAO, had you hunt the bad kind.  The ones who attack first and kill innocent people.

Except poor Jowan.

It could be a possibility, though.There could be a Jowan's Intention type quest involving Merrill, since she is technically an apostate in the eyes of the Chantry (as all Dalish mages are).

Anything's possible.

[MasterSamson88]

ViSeirA wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

So, is Merrill really a blood mage?

I can give you a solid maybe, a German mag described her unique tree that has "ties to blood magic", one screenshot from IGN suggests she can summon demons, that's it... no confirmation from the devs or anything, guess we'll find out when we play the game.

It's just that, if she is a bloodmage, then I should avoid doing missions where I hunt them down, so I won't feel like a hypocrite.

Most quests that had you hunt Blood Mages in DAO, had you hunt the bad kind.  The ones who attack first and kill innocent people.

Except poor Jowan.

That's exactly how I see it, I hunt bad mages not blood mages, I doubt Merrill is gonna be the "control minds" kind of blood mages, but then again she could be, "Whatever the cost" in her character page says a lot :-)

Yeah even if she does use a bit of blood magic I doubt she'd try and kill a bunch of innocent people. Since her clan seems to be why she would use it in the first place. 

It might put you in a hard situation too with the Templars, and defending her against them. Since then it forces the player to think "Well not all Bloodmages are terrible maybe... maybe if they have enough self control, responsibility and good intentions..."

I mean we certainly saw this with Jowan. While at first he was irresponsible he eventually (if you released him) got a hold of himself, taught himself some responsibility, and started using his power to protect people.

Jowan for the most part is in the position that a lot of Mages are in in Dragon Age. While he is a Blood mage his main issue in the game is dealing with the overbearing glare of the Chantry and the Templars. He never wanted power, nor did he want to control people, he just wanted to be free to make his own choices much like Anders did.

[LobselVith8]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Yeah even if she does use a bit of blood magic I doubt she'd try and kill a bunch of innocent people. Since her clan seems to be why she would use it in the first place. 

It might put you in a hard situation too with the Templars, and defending her against them. Since then it forces the player to think "Well not all Bloodmages are terrible maybe... maybe if they have enough self control, responsibility and good intentions..."

Duncan makes a similar challenge to that method of thinking if you tell him blood magic is evil, and he counters that there are Grey Wardens who have used blood magic to fight the darkspawn. Regarding Merrill, I think that it will come into play since Kirkwall is a mecca for templar activity. I think there will be a dicotomy between the Order of Templars and the Dalish clan (including Merrill) since we know that templars hunt down Dalish mages. I can imagine having a Dalish mage as part of your moiety crew will be a source of friction or conflict with the templars.

[MasterSamson88]

LobselVith8 wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Yeah even if she does use a bit of blood magic I doubt she'd try and kill a bunch of innocent people. Since her clan seems to be why she would use it in the first place. 

It might put you in a hard situation too with the Templars, and defending her against them. Since then it forces the player to think "Well not all Bloodmages are terrible maybe... maybe if they have enough self control, responsibility and good intentions..."

Duncan makes a similar challenge to that method of thinking if you tell him blood magic is evil, and he counters that there are Grey Wardens who have used blood magic to fight the darkspawn. Regarding Merrill, I think that it will come into play since Kirkwall is a mecca for templar activity. I think there will be a dicotomy between the Order of Templars and the Dalish clan (including Merrill) since we know that templars hunt down Dalish mages. I can imagine having a Dalish mage as part of your moiety crew will be a source of friction or conflict with the templars.

Right especially since now in DAII you're NOT a Grey Warden. Back in Dragon age Origins and Awakening, you were a Grey Warden and basically had the ability to legally have unleashed mages at your side and the Templars could only give you the stink eye.

Now in DAII since you're no longer a Warden you have no right of conscription nor do you have any special rights period. So the Templars could and probably will try and confiscate your mages whether you aprove or not.

[Gerudan]

Bloodmagic in itself isn't evil. You can probably do a lot of good with it and the Dalish don't have the rules and morals of the Chantry, so why shouldn't they use it?

[Gerudan]

MasterSamson88 wrote...


Now in DAII since you're no longer a Warden you have no right of conscription nor do you have any special rights period. So the Templars could and probably will try and confiscate your mages whether you aprove or not.

Since having a Hawke apostate in your groupe is an important story point, this is more than likely to be part of the main story. 

Modifié par Gerudan, 21 février 2011 - 05:55 .

[Shepard Lives]

Blood magic in itself isn't evil. But there's a very high risk of demonic possession, and the power to control minds is a very strong temptation.

So I'd say that it's not evil, but it's not for everyone. I'm still wondering if I should spec my Hawke as a BM. If specializations do indeed have story repercussions this time around, maybe you'll get to mentor Merrill.

[MasterSamson88]

Gerudan wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...


Now in DAII since you're no longer a Warden you have no right of conscription nor do you have any special rights period. So the Templars could and probably will try and confiscate your mages whether you aprove or not.

Since having a Hawke apostate in your groupe is an important story point, this is more than likely to be part of the main story. 

You might have an option to get them registered with the Head Enchanter at the circle then get permission from him to have them with you. Though I kind of doubt that, I'm just thinking of random possibilities now.

Modifié par MasterSamson88, 21 février 2011 - 05:58 .

[Atchas]

Derax wrote...

I did not know that actually Merril isn'ta guy! 

Can anyone give a good perscription like this

OR

U have either one of two problems

[Zkyire]

I'm about to lose some man points for this but..

When I first opened this thread I was like "Oh an Elf girl.. I wonder what.."

*sees Merrill's picture*

"Oh.. my.. god.. she is so cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute ^_^"

..that is all.

[Taleroth]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Blood magic in itself isn't evil. But there's a very high risk of demonic possession.

Chicken Egg

There's nothing about Blood Magic that implies it increases the risk.  All demonic possession seems to require is an imbalanced emotional state of the mage.  It's seems more likely that proud or angry mages get drawn to blood magic than it is blood magic making them proud and angry.

Look at Jowan and Conner.  Jowan was believed to be too weak for the Harrowing, yet he was an unpossessed Blood Mage.  And Conner was not a Blood Mage, but he got possessed because of his attachment (desire) to his father.

Modifié par Taleroth, 21 février 2011 - 06:01 .

[LobselVith8]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Duncan makes a similar challenge to that method of thinking if you tell him blood magic is evil, and he counters that there are Grey Wardens who have used blood magic to fight the darkspawn. Regarding Merrill, I think that it will come into play since Kirkwall is a mecca for templar activity. I think there will be a dicotomy between the Order of Templars and the Dalish clan (including Merrill) since we know that templars hunt down Dalish mages. I can imagine having a Dalish mage as part of your moiety crew will be a source of friction or conflict with the templars.

Right especially since now in DAII you're NOT a Grey Warden. Back in Dragon age Origins and Awakening, you were a Grey Warden and basically had the ability to legally have unleashed mages at your side and the Templars could only give you the stink eye.

In a disabled scene (that was taken down because it bugged the Landsmeet), the templars would actually try to kill the Warden if he admitted to Wynne's suspicions that he was a blood mage (or minimal coercion would allow you to brush off her suspicions as it being "Grey Warden magic"). I'm still surprised that a templar was allowed to join the Wardens regardless of the Hero of Ferelden's inclination towards the Chantry or the templars.

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Now in DAII since you're no longer a Warden you have no right of conscription nor do you have any special rights period. So the Templars could and probably will try and confiscate your mages whether you aprove or not.

There's also the history of conflict between the Dalish and the templars according to the Dalish codex. It's likely to be a real problem if the Dalish decide to settle down and the templars decide to deal with the Keeper and the First of the clan, who would likely still be Merrill. I agree that no longer being a member of an important order is going to leave Hawke with less protection as an illegal mage (if that's chosen) as well as his magically enpowered companions (especially Merrill).

[thesuperdarkone]

Based on what we know about friendship supporting what the companion does and rivalry going against their goals with it at times being for the greater good, who thinks that the friendship path will cause her to try and seek out more blood magic and maybe cause something horrible since apparently friendship means you support her blood magic.

[MasterSamson88]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Based on what we know about friendship supporting what the companion does and rivalry going against their goals with it at times being for the greater good, who thinks that the friendship path will cause her to try and seek out more blood magic and maybe cause something horrible since apparently friendship means you support her blood magic.

Well I have been a bit worried about that, if she's a blood mage and if Bioware takes that kind of path.

[LobselVith8]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Based on what we know about friendship supporting what the companion does and rivalry going against their goals with it at times being for the greater good, who thinks that the friendship path will cause her to try and seek out more blood magic and maybe cause something horrible since apparently friendship means you support her blood magic.

I hope it doesn't turn into something like that. I'd rather not see it become the "evil" choice and allow them to have it be a pragmatic choice.