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[Taleroth]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

Killroyomega wrote...

This thread shows quite an interesting part of human psychology, that humans are scared of what they don't understand and will either deny the questionable object, or rationalize it.

None of you have any idea what blood magic actually is and yet a rather large majority of you claim that it is an evil thing that should not be learned, and flat out deny that the character knows it.

We know exactly what blood magic is. Its magic that uses the power of ones blood and can be used as mind control, curses, demon summoning, and can even be used to boil another's blood. It is not a very nice form of magic.

I've noticed that that many people seem to think demon summoning is a blood magic.  It's a common misconception.  But I've never seen someone make the mistake of thinking curses are blood magic, since that is explicity part of the entropy school.

[bloodreaperfx]

Killroyomega wrote...

None of you have any idea what blood magic actually is and yet a rather large majority of you claim that it is an evil thing that should not be learned, and flat out deny that the character knows it.

Its a form of magic taught to the old Tevinter Magisters by the Old gods while in the fade. It is assumed the actual magic was needed for rituals in order to set the Old Gods free. Its use eventually led to the blackening of the Golden City, the first Blight and the apperance of the Darkspawn.

Also, blood magic is, inherently, demonic. As the only way to possess blood magic is by doing a pact with a demon in order to unlock its secrets.

Am I close enough?

Modifié par bloodreaperfx, 22 février 2011 - 03:10 .

[Taleroth]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

We know exactly what blood magic is. Its magic that uses the power of ones blood and can be used as mind control, curses, demon summoning, and can even be used to boil another's blood. It is not a very nice form of magic.

Neither demon summoning nor curses are blood magics.  It's just that blood is commonly used for demon summoning because it requires lots of magic and most people who summon demons have no qualms about killing people for their reagents.  And blood is cheaper than lyrium.

Curses are specifically entropy.  Not blood.

bloodreaperfx wrote...

Also, blood magic is, inherently, demonic. As the only way to possess blood magic is by doing a pact with a demon in order to unlock its secrets.

You were doing pretty well until this part.  You identified that it came from dragons, but then claimed it comes from demons.  Blood Magic, like Reaver, was misidentified as demonic even though they both come from dragons.

Aside from the method for PCs learning Blood Magic in DAO, it has no connection to demons.  The most common method of learning it is being taught by other Blood Mages.  Most non-harrowed mages would become abominations with demonic contact, not blood mages.

Modifié par Taleroth, 22 février 2011 - 03:13 .

[nos_astra]

I really don't like Merill's design. I thought she looked oddly proportioned and the romance picture didn't make her look any better, but I would totally be willing to ignore the design just because I love Eve Myles.

[nos_astra]

Taleroth wrote...
Neither demon summoning nor curses are blood magics.

Demon summoning could be blood magic since it's mentioned in the codex entry for the Litany of Adralla in DAO.

Modifié par klarabella, 22 février 2011 - 03:12 .

[Taleroth]

klarabella wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
Neither demon summoning nor curses are blood magics.

Demon summoning could be blood magic since it's mentioned in the codex entry for the Litany of Adralla in DAO.

I guess that depends on the type of demon summoning.  Forcing an abomination into a body is possible use for blood control of the mind.  Fair point.

[Dr. Nexas]

Taleroth wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

We know exactly what blood magic is. Its magic that uses the power of ones blood and can be used as mind control, curses, demon summoning, and can even be used to boil another's blood. It is not a very nice form of magic.

Neither demon summoning nor curses are blood magics.  It's just that blood is commonly used for demon summoning because it requires lots of magic and most people who summon demons have no qualms about killing people for their reagents.  And blood is cheaper than lyrium.

Curses are specifically entropy.  Not blood.

bloodreaperfx wrote...

Also, blood magic is, inherently, demonic. As the only way to possess blood magic is by doing a pact with a demon in order to unlock its secrets.

You were doing pretty well until this part.  You identified that it came from dragons, but then claimed it comes from demons.  Blood Magic, like Reaver, was misidentified as demonic even though they both come from dragons.

Aside from the method for PCs learning Blood Magic in DAO, it has no connection to demons.  The most common method of learning it is being taught by other Blood Mages.  Most non-harrowed mages would become abominations with demonic contact, not blood mages.

Zathrian used is his own blood to fuel the werewolf curse. 

Modifié par Dr. Nexas, 22 février 2011 - 03:17 .

[Northern Sun]

A bit after the rush, but Eve Myles? Yes!

[Taleroth]

Dr. Nexas wrote...

Zathrian used is his own blood to fuel the werewolf curse. 

You can use blood for literally any magic in Thedas.  But you're right for that specific instance.  It allowed the communicable nature of the curse.

He probably would have been able to get similar results with spirit magic, however.  It just would have been expensive.

Modifié par Taleroth, 22 février 2011 - 03:23 .

[bloodreaperfx]

Taleroth wrote...

[You were doing pretty well until this part.  You identified that it came from dragons, but then claimed it comes from demons.  Blood Magic, like Reaver, was misidentified as demonic even though they both come from dragons.

Aside from the method for PCs learning Blood Magic in DAO, it has no connection to demons.  The most common method of learning it is being taught by other Blood Mages.  Most non-harrowed mages would become abominations with demonic contact, not blood mages.

This is simply not true. Sorry. I can quote you from the wiki or you can find it yourself in the game codex:

"A blood mage is a mage who employs dark rites, originally taught to mortals by demons, in order to access more powerful magic."

Perhaps I miss-spoke about the only way of teaching others is by learning it from a demon. But the origins of Blood Magic are, indeed, demonic.

[Taleroth]

bloodreaperfx wrote...

This is simply not true. Sorry. I can quote you from the wiki or you can find it yourself in the game codex:

"A blood mage is a mage who employs dark rites, originally taught to mortals by demons, in order to access more powerful magic."

Perhaps I miss-spoke about the only way of teaching others is by learning it from a demon. But the origins of Blood Magic are, indeed, demonic.

That's the codex misidentifying it.  Blood Magic originally was taught by Dumat, the first of the Old Gods.  The codex also makes the same claim of Reaver, but both the learning process and the DA2 spec show that it's learned from dragons.

The Codex may be employing unreliable narrator in that instance, but I'm not sure.  It's explicitly pointed out in the Collector's Edition strategy guide's extra content on the history of Thedas.

Blood Magic's origination with the Old Gods is the entire reason for their worship.

Modifié par Taleroth, 22 février 2011 - 03:27 .

[Hrodric]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Jenifer Hepler suggests she's a "virginal girl next door."

Err... I'm assuming this is because there's voiceover that says this when Merrill is on-screen?

Just a word of caution not to see the two as being related-- sometimes they are, though not in the way you might think. You're free to believe what you like, however, all I'm saying is not to make assumption based on that alone.

This brings up a couple of questions, then:

(1) Does this suggest that there are more romanceable characters not revealed?
  (a) Aveline--married to a Templar.
  ( Isabela--formerly married (not to mention all the other extra curricular activity that ensued after).
  © Merrill--unknown; only "virginal girl next door" candidate of the three, however.

(2) Does this mean that the "virginal girl next door" statement does not apply to the final version of the game?

[Dr. Nexas]

Taleroth wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...

Zathrian used is his own blood to fuel the werewolf curse. 

You can use blood for literally any magic in Thedas.  But you're right for that specific instance.  It allowed the communicable nature of the curse.

He probably would have been able to get similar results with spirit magic, however.  It just would have been expensive.

True he probably could have tried something else, but I doubt he would have gotten anywhere near the results that he did. I think the issue that people have with blood magic  is that we have seen no in story use of it that doesn't involve hurting people. Maybe that will change in DA2

Anyways to get back on topic yay Eve Myles 

[LobselVith8]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Crazy Cpt wrote...

She's going to be my first romance

 

Mine too 

How do you think a romance would be between Hawke and Merrill would unfold? I'm wondering if it might be different for Hawke if he's also a mage, since it would give them a common interest.

thesuperdarkone wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Director wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Do we know for certain that Hawke's talking to Merrill there? I know it seems likely but it could be anyone. Anders?
that would make sense actually...

I think people are speculating at the moment that it's Merrill (and I've only seen that particular image myself). I don't think we've ever seen who Hawke is talking to, but I don't think it's unlikely that it could be her. I don't see Anders knowing blood magic from Justice simply because it seems that it was the symbioisis that changed them both, but I could be wrong.

I wonder how Merrill and Anders will react to each other as mages, and their reactions to the Circle of Magi and the Dalish clan respectively.

Anders: "You know something?"
Merrill: "Uh... I know a lot of things."
Anders: "NO, I mean!.... Ugh... I was just about to say: you aren't the first Dalish Mage I ever met."
Merrill: "You've met one of our Keepers?"
Anders: "Well... Not exactly... I met someone who claimed she was going to be a Keeper, then she spent the entire time I was in her presence telling me how physically and morally repulsive I was."
Merrill: "That's... a bit much...."
Anders: "I'll say! All I did was perpetually tell her how I find tattoos on women incredibly attractive. You'd think she'd be at least a little lenient with a compliment."
Merrill:  "Right... Did I mention how I find you physically and morally replusive?"
Anders: "And the cycle continues...."

[The reference shouldn't be too hard to get.]

Poor Anders, the memory of his never-ending conversation with Velanna will always haunt him.

 

Especially the fact that he never stopped saying it 

Let's hope the cycle doesn't continue. I'm certain Anders would prefer to have different conversations with his newest Dalish mage companion.

The conversations are from Awakening too, so I mean being a DLC it didn't have as much variety put into as Origins.

That's why Greagoir was a bartender.

[_Somebody]

Wait, how do we know that Eve Myles voices Merrill?

[ViSeiRa]

From the credits in the demo.

[_Somebody]

Oh cool. Im still waiting for it to be put up for pc.

[Face of Evil]

Well, I was wrong about the VO. But you know, it's a good kind of wrong.



Gwen was one of my favourite characters from Torchwood.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Ok, I wasn't sure Id like Merrill, but if she's Eve Myles.... Yum.

[HolyJellyfish]

Taleroth wrote...

bloodreaperfx wrote...

This is simply not true. Sorry. I can quote you from the wiki or you can find it yourself in the game codex:

"A blood mage is a mage who employs dark rites, originally taught to mortals by demons, in order to access more powerful magic."

Perhaps I miss-spoke about the only way of teaching others is by learning it from a demon. But the origins of Blood Magic are, indeed, demonic.

That's the codex misidentifying it.  Blood Magic originally was taught by Dumat, the first of the Old Gods.  The codex also makes the same claim of Reaver, but both the learning process and the DA2 spec show that it's learned from dragons.

The Codex may be employing unreliable narrator in that instance, but I'm not sure.  It's explicitly pointed out in the Collector's Edition strategy guide's extra content on the history of Thedas.

Blood Magic's origination with the Old Gods is the entire reason for their worship.

Blood Magic has a bad reputation, mostly because I think the Chantry casts it in such a dark light. Its heavily implied that Blood Magic is the main form of magic among the Dalish, and in fact there is a subtle nod that all forms of magic originated from Blood Magic. Like all forms of magic, it can be corrupted, but to a more twisted degree.

Hell. I wouldn't be surprised if the Grey Warden initiation was, in fact, another form of blood magic.

[MasterSamson88]

Eve Miles eh? Good choice. She has a pretty voice.

[thesuperdarkone]

Though I should let everyone know that in the demo files thread, there was a morph for something called Demon Marenthari..... Interesting if you ask me and could lead to some intriguing events

[MasterSamson88]

I noticed Merrill's picture in the book that Cassandra threw at Varric. Don't know why I felt like mentioning that. XD

[belwin]

Northern Sun wrote...

A bit after the rush, but Eve Myles? Yes!

i agree, her voice is pretty awesome.

[opheliamars]

Northern Sun wrote...

A bit after the rush, but Eve Myles? Yes!

My brother, who swore up and down that he wasn't going to play DA 2, is now dying to play the game. Good job, Bioware!