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JigPig wrote...

Bisexual only romance options are quite frankly, ridiculous.

There should be straight, gay, and bi romance options.


Why? They are just, what the games need them to be. If you play a male Hawke, she is straight, if you play a FemHawke, then Merrill is homosexual. That way you might even argue, Merrill is never bi.

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Gerudan wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Bisexual only romance options are quite frankly, ridiculous.

There should be straight, gay, and bi romance options.


Why? They are just, what the games need them to be. If you play a male Hawke, she is straight, if you play a FemHawke, then Merrill is homosexual. That way you might even argue, Merrill is never bi.


Thats kinda silly. The game shoudn't completely change a character's sexuality based on an arbitrary player decison. Thats just as bad as the whole Carver/Beth death swap.

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Dr. Nexas wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

JigPig wrote...

Bisexual only romance options are quite frankly, ridiculous.

There should be straight, gay, and bi romance options.


Why? They are just, what the games need them to be. If you play a male Hawke, she is straight, if you play a FemHawke, then Merrill is homosexual. That way you might even argue, Merrill is never bi.


Thats kinda silly. The game shoudn't completely change a character's sexuality based on an arbitrary player decison. 

I defy you to justify that.

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Dr. Nexas wrote...

Thats kinda silly. The game shoudn't completely change a character's sexuality based on an arbitrary player decison. Thats just as bad as the whole Carver/Beth death swap.

Everything revolves around the player. Everything. Posted Image

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RVonE wrote...

You artists should get on with creating new Merrill fan art ^_^

Merrill fan art.  Merrill fan fic.  Merill fan hats.  Merril fan cake.  Meril fan spelling.

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Taleroth wrote...

I defy you to justify that.

http://tvtropes.org/...in/BlackHoleSue

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Dr. Nexas wrote...
Thats kinda silly. The game shoudn't completely change a character's sexuality based on an arbitrary player decison. Thats just as bad as the whole Carver/Beth death swap.

It is rather a different, very similar character and not a change. First the whining, that there may be no homosexual relationships, then the whining, that you may be bound to one specific homosexual relationship and now Bioware finally let's you choose freely and then this is also wrong.
Just stop whing, for Christ's sake, just because something isn't exactly like you want it to be.

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tmp7704 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

I defy you to justify that.

http://tvtropes.org/...in/BlackHoleSue

If Dragon Age 2 is fanfiction, then you're really stretching the definition.

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Taleroth wrote...

If Dragon Age 2 is fanfiction, then you're really stretching the definition.

This archetype isn't limited to fanfiction. Regrettably.

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tmp7704 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

If Dragon Age 2 is fanfiction, then you're really stretching the definition.

This archetype isn't limited to fanfiction. Regrettably.

 You do not get to make up new archetypes.

If there is an archetype, the black hole sue follows it, it does not define it.  And thus you've failed to do anything but point out a conceptual cousin.

Modifié par Taleroth, 02 mars 2011 - 01:04 .


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Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?

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Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.

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Gerudan wrote...

Dr. Nexas wrote...
Thats kinda silly. The game shoudn't completely change a character's sexuality based on an arbitrary player decison. Thats just as bad as the whole Carver/Beth death swap.

It is rather a different, very similar character and not a change. First the whining, that there may be no homosexual relationships, then the whining, that you may be bound to one specific homosexual relationship and now Bioware finally let's you choose freely and then this is also wrong.
Just stop whing, for Christ's sake, just because something isn't exactly like you want it to be.


Being critical is not whining.

But hey Merril's cute right? :wub: 

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Taleroth wrote...

And thus you've failed to do anything but point out a conceptual cousin.

I take it you haven't actually read the linked article in full, because it addresses your initial question -- why having such character serve as the lynchpin of your story can be detrimental to the story. If that's somehow "failing to do anything"... well.

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Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It suggests that her personality is awesome.  Seriously, it's even better than a flamboyant sassy golem.  

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congealeddgtllvr wrote...

It suggests that her personality is awesome.  Seriously, it's even better than a flamboyant sassy golem.  


Shale disagrees.

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:lol:

Modifié par Maclimes, 02 mars 2011 - 01:14 .


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tmp7704 wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

And thus you've failed to do anything but point out a conceptual cousin.

I take it you haven't actually read the linked article in full, because it addresses your initial question -- why having such character serve as the lynchpin of your story can be detrimental to the story. If that's somehow "failing to do anything"... well.

I take it you haven't actually either, because the article applies to  fanfiction.  It falls apart in regards to original works and is completely ridiculous to apply to games.

Modifié par Taleroth, 02 mars 2011 - 01:15 .


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falconlord5 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.

Not just people man.  My dog was adorable.  But she had big ol chompers.  And a good snarly face. 

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Maclimes wrote...

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

It suggests that her personality is awesome.  Seriously, it's even better than a flamboyant sassy golem.  


Shale disagrees.

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:lol:


That's so mean.  But at least she is on topic.

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Blastback wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.

Not just people man.  My dog was adorable.  But she had big ol chompers.  And a good snarly face. 


Totally agreed.

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falconlord5 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.


You know those little, innocent girls in horror movies that always turn out to be genocidal serial killers that revel in perverse blood orgies of mutilation, dismemberment and death?

Merrill.

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JobacNoor wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.


You know those little, innocent girls in horror movies that always turn out to be genocidal serial killers that revel in perverse blood orgies of mutilation, dismemberment and death?

Merrill.

And yet she's still atractive.  Freud would have fun.

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Blastback wrote...

JobacNoor wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Alright, lets try to have a more Merrill centric topic. Now, we know that Merrill is described as cute. Alot of us think she looks really cute. And she's been described as awkward. Now, on the other hand, she's a blood mage, which is a somewhat uncute power. What does this dicotamy sugest for her personality? Is she someone who is easily manipulated into performing forbiden magics? Or does she simply posses a diffrent perspective on the world and magic?


It proves what I've always said: Fear cute people.


You know those little, innocent girls in horror movies that always turn out to be genocidal serial killers that revel in perverse blood orgies of mutilation, dismemberment and death?

Merrill.

And yet she's still atractive.  Freud would have fun.


I'll just add that to my existing list of issues.
 
Right after the gender confusion roleplaying as a female, lusting after someone that's supposed to be my sister and wanting to have sex with the visual representation of myself.

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Maclimes wrote...

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

It suggests that her personality is awesome.  Seriously, it's even better than a flamboyant sassy golem.  


Shale disagrees.

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:lol:

At least I anticipate Merrill having an actual character.

As for what she'll be... like Liara, I imagine, in a way, though possibly more worldly. But I don't think that she'll be evil, just... libertine in her magic choices, perhaps? It should be really interesting.

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I love you BIOWARE!


my heart hopes this is not the work of a professional photoshop user lol


Wha... Wha..! If that is the case I will effing RAGE!