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[Orian Tabris]

Exactly where are these images of FemHawke and Merrill coming from, pray tell?

[catabuca]

JigPig wrote...

You have to enter 7 console commands in order to do the romance scene with Merrill, including forcing the sex to be female, and the dialogue is still not correct.

Please elaborate.

[congealeddgtllvr]

themageguy wrote...

any news on her spec? Dalish pariah sounds kool.

It contains blood magic.  And she doesn't have the creation tree so she can't be a healer, which I love.

thideremls wrote...

Hmm, okay.

Merrill's spell trees from the demo.

Don't look if you don't want to know 

here and here

The pictures are real people.  Any awkwardness you see is due to the fact that Merrill is an awkward girl.  

Modifié par congealeddgtllvr, 02 mars 2011 - 05:08 .

[draken-heart]

 im going to say that someone should take these pics to a professional graphics guy/girl.

lets stop talking about their authenticity until then, ok?

[OrbitalWings]

While I can't claim to be "an expert" per se, I do use photoshop every day, and those pics do look legit to me.

Of course they could have been modded, which would explain it. But from a photoshop standpoint, they look real to me. Game lighting works in very specific ways, and a lot of the time is actually harder to fake. Their outlines both look consistent with each other and the scene they're in, and any sharp/flat edges seem to be the result of their in-game models rather than bad editing. Remember - these people are made from polygons.

If we had a romance scene that didn't involve some awkward stretching/warping of character models, I'd be surprised.

As I said though, it'd be incredibly easy to mod the scene if the person had got the PC game early.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 02 mars 2011 - 04:29 .

[halokitty]

draken-heart wrote...

 im going to say that someone should take these pics to a professional graphics guy/girl.

lets stop talking about their authenticity until then, ok?

I am reposting this from earlier.  I work in the game industry (as a writer, but I have also done modeling and texture work in school and for work in the past.)  This is just my opinion and let me state I could be 100% off base.  Keep in mind, I AM biased and I really hope Merrill is a f/f love interest.  That said, here goes.

These are definitely, 100% NOT photoshopped images. Modded somehow using DA Toolkit or possibly rendered in Max or Maya? Maybe, but we're talking about a  nicely assembled scene that is completely different from those available stock in Origins. The scene features new props and the characters are presented  both dressed and undressed in ways that match up very well to the concept art and previously revealed in-game footage. It would take a not-insignificant amount effort to fake these images. Yes, the website where they are posted is a mod group, but nothing I've seen of their work compares to the degree of polish in the Merrill images.  Also, the textures and art design are very reminiscent of the painterly style we've seen so far in DA2.  Aping that style would also require some degree of skill and ambition.

And yes, there are flat parts on the models, such as the arm and sides of the breasts. These are because the characters- in fact all 3D models- are made up of tris, polygonal flat surfaces divided in half to form triangles. If those images are from an earlier build, it's likely there were instances wherethe higher poly images did not swap out the lower poly ones during camera movement or if a limb moves in a way that is unusual. The high-detail cage around the limb may not be following the flex points around the shoulder joint or clavicle. This would create the kind of sharp edges you see on Merrill's arm/shoulder while it is wrapped around Lady Hawke in that awkward angle.

Anyway, I believe there is a very high chance these are the real deal. I can't say 100% that they're not skillfully faked, but  If so, a lot of quality work went into punking the Dragon Age s/s romance fans. 

Modifié par halokitty, 02 mars 2011 - 04:45 .

[OrbitalWings]

As a footnote- they're definitely being rendered by the game engine. There's so much "artwork" on deviantART where people have taken models from games and rendered them in other programs - you can always tell. The lighting plays on them in very different ways in programs like Max or Maya

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 02 mars 2011 - 04:37 .

[Knight of Dane]

Hm, you two sound convincing xD

I'mm gonna hold hopes high, Merrill seems so cute and for her to be into girls too wpuld be a blessing within a blessed game

Still, imma prolly. gonna ask when the game comes out in the US on the 8th, unfortunately i have to wait till the 11th :/

[halokitty]

While I should probably be packing for my trip this weekend, here is a link to an image I made showing one of the officially released pics of Merrill compared with two points of interest on one of the disputed f/f romance images.  Hope this helps.

[OrbitalWings]

Yeah, I think by now it's safe to say the images aren't photoshopped/faked.

Has the person that initially posted the pics on that site actually said anything? They must have the full game, as Merrill's model isn't in the demo. Which of course means they could have modded the game.

Though to be fair, if you've just got a brand new game, would modding it really be the first thing on your mind before you've played through it once or twice?

[Knight of Dane]

halokitty wrote...

While I should probably be packing for my trip this weekend, here is a link to an image I made showing one of the officially released pics of Merrill compared with two points of interest on one of the disputed f/f romance images.  Hope this helps.

Heh, I'm impressed, but i thought when people were talking about photoshop they meant that it was the female hawke that had been put in male hawke's place

[draken-heart]

 thats what i was thinking too.

Modifié par draken-heart, 02 mars 2011 - 05:20 .

[jlb524]

Modding's going to be difficult given there's no toolset or other tools available (that I know of).

[_Somebody]

I think its real. The only possibility is that its modded, but I dont know... 

[draken-heart]

 bioware could be teasing us too.

if so:

[_Somebody]

draken-heart wrote...

 bioware could be teasing us too.

if so:

Then it would be maximum trolling. 

[OrbitalWings]

If LadyHawke had been put in MaleHawke's place, there'd be all sorts of funky editing around her. LadyHawke doesn't take up the same amount of space, so they'd have to fill in the gaps.

Plus the lighting is far too good on LadyHawke. She's definitely in the scene.

[draken-heart]

IF the pics are real, then lady hawke has some explaining to do to mother about why two girls are wanting between her legs

Modifié par draken-heart, 02 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[halokitty]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

If LadyHawke had been put in MaleHawke's place, there'd be all sorts of funky editing around her. LadyHawke doesn't take up the same amount of space, so they'd have to fill in the gaps.

Plus the lighting is far too good on LadyHawke. She's definitely in the scene.

I was just about to post the same thing.  The lighting reflected on Lady Hawke is equally apparent on Merrill, both in terms of color (the orange candlelight) and distance.  Some people mentioned that it appears Merrill's elbow is up too high while kissing Lady Hawke.  It is not surpising that character placement would be the same to compensate for both body-types of the main character in order to avoid clipping. 

[halokitty]

draken-heart wrote...

IF the pics are real, then lady hawke has some explaining to do to mother about why two girls are wanting between her legs

Because she's the hero of the story and the hero always should always be wading hip deep through romantic entanglements?
 

Modifié par halokitty, 02 mars 2011 - 05:33 .

[OrbitalWings]

halokitty wrote...
I was just about to post the same thing.  The lighting reflected on Lady Hawke is equally apparent on Merrill, both in terms of color (the orange candlelight) and distance.  Some people mentioned that it appears Merrill's elbow is up too high while kissing Lady Hawke.  It is not surpising that character placement would be the same to compensate for both body-types of the main character in order to avoid clipping. 

Indeed. Re-used animations are a common occurence. Those Anders files people found "male_kiss" and "female_kiss" - probably so he doesn't end up kissing a MaleHawke on the chin or a LadyHawke on the forhead. That's something that would be glaringly obvious. However, something like Merrill's arm isn't as apparant, so there's no need to have seperate animations.

[Taleroth]

halokitty wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

IF the pics are real, then lady hawke has some explaining to do to mother about why two girls are wanting between her legs

Because she's the hero of the story and the hero always should always be wading hip deep through romantic entanglements?
 

Frodo got robbed.

[draken-heart]

halokitty wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

IF the pics are real, then lady hawke has some explaining to do to mother about why two girls are wanting between her legs

Because she's the hero of the story and the hero always should always be wading hip deep through romantic entanglements?
 

WE know that. momma hawke doesn't. she'll be freaking out if she hears about it

[Raraptor]

halokitty wrote...

While I should probably be packing for my trip this weekend, here is a link to an image I made showing one of the officially released pics of Merrill compared with two points of interest on one of the disputed f/f romance images.  Hope this helps.

Interesting... I read all the comments and thoughts about whether the pictures are real or not, and it seems it's turning into some kind of murder case where everyone is dissecting the pictures to try and solve it... I love it! I was skeptical at one point, but now I'm doubting again. Like some already have said; for animations to look awkward in a romantic scene isn't a first, so to judge every picture by that alone would be, indeed, not wise. I will remain in a hopeful state of doubt until the time comes where everyone can see for her/himself... Until then, please don't stop speculating, because that's what makes it so interesting.

Whether she proves to be bi or not in the end, I just wanted to say that I'm so proud of all of you!

<3<3

[catabuca]

So, not photoshopped.

But in terms of modding. How would it be possible? Just changing gender flags? Would it be that simple? The way their mouths meet in the kiss picture suggests that animation between Merrill and fHawke exists (if it was meant to be mHawke then their mouths wouldn't match up, right?). Could anything have been done with the limited tools to date to alter the animation so their mouths lined up like that?

Can anyone with the demo actually access this scene (or the equivalent one with mHawke)?