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[robtheguru]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Merrill's personality is basically identical to Tali's?

Hmmm... Well, now that you're mentioning it...

Even though I ain't into Tali at all, I have heard some dialogue. And when it comes to talking, Merrill and Tali have much in common (both are pretty nervous and stuff).

I kind of fear people hating her on the aspect that she shares some paralells with Tali. 

Who cares what anyone else thinks? Surely it's your own personal opinion that matters? She'll still be na vhenan!

[MasterSamson88]

Yeah I suppose you're right. Seems like every character no matter what gets some level of hate.

[SnakeHelah]

robtheguru wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Merrill's personality is basically identical to Tali's?

No, I haven't for one. I find nothing in common between them (expect them both being "nervous" and "shy" and all) 
I hated Tali in ME2, she was very annoying to me.

[mousestalker]

What I've picked up on is that there are at least three mods for altering her appearance. That may be a record at this point. I think people are picking up on how great her personality is and want to change her appearance to something more pleasing (for them). That's a good thing.

[Ulathar]

robtheguru wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Merrill's personality is basically identical to Tali's?

hm...no I haven't actually. They're both somewhat shy, but where Merrill is adorable, Tali is annoying - IMO.

[robtheguru]

SnakeHelah wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Merrill's personality is basically identical to Tali's?

No, I haven't for one. I find nothing in common between them (expect them both being "nervous" and "shy" and all) 
I hated Tali in ME2, she was very annoying to me.

Could you please explain because it seemed to me that they were pretty much the same, I may have missed something though?

[Shepard Lives]

Merrill is little like Tali. The archetype is almost the same, but the actual realization of it is handled very differently. I hope that made sense.

Personally, I find Tali to be depressingly bland, while Merrill is marvelously written as well as heart-wrenchingly adorable.

...I suspect the accents have something to do with it. Tali's eastern european one... yeah, I'll pass. Merrill on the other hand, while the pitch of her voice is a little inconsistent at times, is Eve Myles! *swoons*

[Nialos]

I think the difference in Tali and Merrill is execution. We see more of Merrill's fears, ambitions, goals and regrets than Tali (excluding the small tidbits from Lair of the Shadow Broker). In all, she seems more 'alive' at certain points.

[Ulathar]

Shepard Lives wrote...
The archetype is almost the same, but the actual realization of it is handled very differently.
[...]
I suspect the accents have something to do with it.

Nialos wrote...
I think the difference in Tali and Merrill is execution.

These are my thoughts on this, too.

Modifié par Systemlord Baal, 16 mars 2011 - 02:00 .

[Stigandr Ogaefa]

Here is my take on Merrill and Tali. they share some traits: nervousness naivety and wanting to preserve culture. Merrill seems determined to do it herself and doesn't want help, just support. The difference between friendship and rival romance. Tali seems to be a damsel in distress who is more than happy to let Shepard do the work for her. Merrill also seems stronger because she just wants Hawke to support her while she talks to the keeper wher Tali let's Shepard do all the work at the trail. Tali also has the creepy fangirl aspect which Merrill thankfully lacks.

I apologize for any typos or odd words as this was typed on an iPod.

[Marcin K]

well here's some question that i would like to ask: while choosing Merrill as love interest late in the game [last straw main plot quest] she is in Hawke's estate. and after killing knight-commander Meredith when i load the post campaign save Merrill is gone from Hawke's house all travel places except Black Emporium are locked out as they should i think but i get quest arow over writing desk and "no quests at this time"
so my question is this: if everything is locked out and Merrill is not in the estate -is it a glitch or something or "vaporising" her was BW plan all along?

Modifié par Marcin R, 16 mars 2011 - 02:02 .

[MasterSamson88]

Marcin R wrote...

well here's some question that i would like to ask: while choosing Merrill as love interest late in the game [last straw main plot quest] she is in Hawke's estate. and after killing knight-commander Meredith when i load the post campaign save Merrill is gone from Hawke's house all travel places except Black Emporium are locked out as they should i think but i get quest arow over writing desk and "no quests at this time"
so my question is this: if everything is locked out and Merrill is not in the estate -is it a glitch or something or "vaporising" her was BW plan all along?

Well the story is over basically. So everything resumes kind of a default position.

Really it's not a continuation of anything, just a gameplay thing.

[Marcin K]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

well here's some question that i would like to ask: while choosing Merrill as love interest late in the game [last straw main plot quest] she is in Hawke's estate. and after killing knight-commander Meredith when i load the post campaign save Merrill is gone from Hawke's house all travel places except Black Emporium are locked out as they should i think but i get quest arow over writing desk and "no quests at this time"
so my question is this: if everything is locked out and Merrill is not in the estate -is it a glitch or something or "vaporising" her was BW plan all along?

Well the story is over basically. So everything resumes kind of a default position.

Really it's not a continuation of anything, just a gameplay thing.

just 2nd thought came to my mind: when new DLC will come out and i'll load the post campaign save will it default the story or will it recognise that my Howke loves Merrill, Anders survived etc. because after DAO DLC i got that some kind of "defaulting" everything again feeling...
edit: does glitch of lack of triggering friend or foe Merrill quest affects some dialogue or its nothing just Gallows kiss at the end?

Modifié par Marcin R, 16 mars 2011 - 02:49 .

[flexxdk]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

robtheguru wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that Merrill's personality is basically identical to Tali's?

Hmmm... Well, now that you're mentioning it...

Even though I ain't into Tali at all, I have heard some dialogue. And when it comes to talking, Merrill and Tali have much in common (both are pretty nervous and stuff).

I kind of fear people hating her on the aspect that she shares some paralells with Tali. 

I don't hate Tali.

Though she does confuse and annoy me when I'm doing her loyalty mission in Mass Effect 2. 

Anyway, I don't know Tali all that well. But from what I've seen, there are a few things they have in common: being nervous and stuttering a lot. Rambling included.

I don't deny there aren't any differences. Others have pointed this out already, so no need to repeat them. Unless you want me to use some Copypasta...

[MasterSamson88]

Marcin R wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

well here's some question that i would like to ask: while choosing Merrill as love interest late in the game [last straw main plot quest] she is in Hawke's estate. and after killing knight-commander Meredith when i load the post campaign save Merrill is gone from Hawke's house all travel places except Black Emporium are locked out as they should i think but i get quest arow over writing desk and "no quests at this time"
so my question is this: if everything is locked out and Merrill is not in the estate -is it a glitch or something or "vaporising" her was BW plan all along?

Well the story is over basically. So everything resumes kind of a default position.

Really it's not a continuation of anything, just a gameplay thing.

just 2nd thought came to my mind: when new DLC will come out and i'll load the post campaign save will it default the story or will it recognise that my Howke loves Merrill, Anders survived etc. because after DAO DLC i got that some kind of "defaulting" everything again feeling... 

Well it'll recognize the story no doubt I think. It saves any choices you make after all.

When I say defaulting I just mean it goes into a kind of gameplay mode when you finish the main story since there's no more dialog or anything.

[Bruddajakka]

You know other then the fact they have a tendency to ramble when they talk they aren't that similar. Hell Tali only does it when she's talking to Shepard. Otherwise she's fine.

[Marcin K]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Marcin R wrote...

well here's some question that i would like to ask: while choosing Merrill as love interest late in the game [last straw main plot quest] she is in Hawke's estate. and after killing knight-commander Meredith when i load the post campaign save Merrill is gone from Hawke's house all travel places except Black Emporium are locked out as they should i think but i get quest arow over writing desk and "no quests at this time"
so my question is this: if everything is locked out and Merrill is not in the estate -is it a glitch or something or "vaporising" her was BW plan all along?

Well the story is over basically. So everything resumes kind of a default position.

Really it's not a continuation of anything, just a gameplay thing.

just 2nd thought came to my mind: when new DLC will come out and i'll load the post campaign save will it default the story or will it recognise that my Howke loves Merrill, Anders survived etc. because after DAO DLC i got that some kind of "defaulting" everything again feeling... 

Well it'll recognize the story no doubt I think. It saves any choices you make after all.

When I say defaulting I just mean it goes into a kind of gameplay mode when you finish the main story since there's no more dialog or anything.

thanks for fast answer:)
and one more thing: 
i know i have edited it into my previous message but for sake  of those who do not scroll up or check for edit: those lack of triggering "Merrill friend or foe" affects anything?
-those who check edits:sorry for repeating myself-

Modifié par Marcin R, 16 mars 2011 - 02:53 .

[Rykoth]

Heh, the only face morphs I've ever liked were the Leliana and Morrigan ones for DAO, because they both seemed... ick to me vanilla.

DA2 is much improved. Merrill is awesomesauce.

[flexxdk]

Rykoth wrote...

Heh, the only face morphs I've ever liked were the Leliana and Morrigan ones for DAO, because they both seemed... ick to me vanilla.

Same here. I didn't like the vanilla versions of both of them. I half expected the same looks as they had in the Sacred Ashes trailer.

The modders provided me what I needed though.

DA2 is much improved. Merrill is awesomesauce.

Indeed.

I think she's improved alot since DAO.

[_Somebody]

I wish act 3 had a little more romance content. Although I like how in the end, Varric says that the only person who stayed with Hawke was the person you romanced. (Being Merrill for me of course) Good thing too, seeing as she really doesnt have anywhere to go after what happened with her clan.

Modifié par Somebody, 16 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[MasterSamson88]

Somebody wrote...

I wish act 3 had a little more romance content. Although I like how in the end, Varric says that the only person who stayed with Hawke was the person you romanced. (Being Merrill for me of course) Good thing too, seeing as she really doesnt have anywhere to go after what happened with her clan.

Yeah. 

This is why I can't see me romancing anyone else in the game really. It's like out of everyone Merrill is the one person with no where to go no matter what. I mean even if her clan lives they want nothing to do with her. So at least in my own cannon I find her being with Hawke to be pretty appropriate.

And yeah I do agree with you. I was hoping there'd be more romance content in Act III. Oh well I guess.

[Bruddajakka]

Out of the romances Merrill, and to a lesser degree Fenris seem to need Hawke the most. Otherwise she just ends up so alone.

[Killjoy Cutter]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

Yeah I suppose you're right. Seems like every character no matter what gets some level of hate.

My theory is that quite often, the internet brings out that part of some people that can't stand when someone else likes something that they don't like, and it turns their lack of liking into outright venomous hate.  And in other people, it just brings out that juvenile part of them that likes to take a crap on whatever someone else likes.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Is there a seperate location for character-technical questions, or can I ask this here:

Has anyone figured out if the "blood mages get X benefit" applies to Merrill with her unique specialization?

[MasterSamson88]

Whacka wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

Heh, the only face morphs I've ever liked were the Leliana and Morrigan ones for DAO, because they both seemed... ick to me vanilla.

Same here. I didn't like the vanilla versions of both of them. I half expected the same looks as they had in the Sacred Ashes trailer.

The modders provided me what I needed though.

DA2 is much improved. Merrill is awesomesauce.

Indeed.

I think she's improved alot since DAO.

Yeah as one of the writers said, in DAO Merrill was essentially a blank slate. The people who act like they really got to know her in Origins kind of make me laugh because really all we got was that she was the Keepers first and interested in history.